The Energon Pub

[Burn]

While I actually DO enjoy the show, I have to say, I agree with you on a few things there DJ.

Arcee ... yeah, definitely not enjoying her, or Miko. Fowler's about the only human I like, Jack is tolerable while Raf is slightly less annoying than Miko.

But storywise and animation wise I definitely prefer it to Animated. Yes, there's a lot of "tributes" to older series, but quite frankly to me that reeks of unoriginality, but for the most part it's doing a good job of being slightly edgier.

Unicron Rocklords ... heh ... I could see that working actually.

[crashhcourse]

There you go again. So angry.
I'm sorry you're not having as much fun as the rest of us.

That's it for me folks. Can't wait for next week!

[SirSoundwaveIV]

Same, I'm excited.

Also does anyone else think Megatron's even a level above his normal badassery? I mean, this could just be because of the fact he can fly, but he held out against 4 of those monsterous golems while the 4 Autobots couldn't even handle one, and took down two before he headed through the bridge. (the one that attacked the autobots, and the one who he decapitated by punching it)

[Foxbear]

Episode 26 is up!



Here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFoYLkrn ... ideo_title

I'm sorry I don't know how to embed...

Watch out the raw awesomness may blow your mind!
My mom was looking at me funny the entire time I was watching it. Then asked me to "Please stop that odd squealing noise."


Oh yeah Optimus told Jack a lie in episode 25...

[Sabrblade]

@Sabrblade Because I'm old, bitter, and jaded.

Why?

I missed this post a while back....

You do realize that he wasn't originally made by the creators of the G1 movie and cartoon to be a god, right? He was originally just a giant robot built by a monkey scientist. He was later retconned into being a god. So, his being a "person" preceded his established godhood as a character.

Thats not exactly right.

Floro Dery's production notes show that his designs/intent for Unicron (then "The Entity") were inspired by the planet Saturn,His quote.... "Saturn sounds like Satur [presumably meaning satyr]. Satur is synonymous with the Devil. The Entity is a Devil-like planet. This is the reason why I designed the Entity like the planet Saturn."

While some consider the Devil to be god-like, there are others who don't, so his being a god is debatable. At best, he is described as an "evil being" who used to be an angel, but wants to be God. But we need not go further with this, so back on topic.

And don't give me the whole Arcee is a "complex character" Every times I see her on screen she's either a bitch or talking about her dead partners and Starscream I'm just sick of. I will always be dumbfounded on how you people like Miko. I have not found a shred of likability to this character AT ALL. so please tell me fanboys what is it you guys think makes her a great character name one damn thing that makes her likable that I don't start a petition to tell the writers to kill her off or turn her into a decepticon spy.

See, here's what's wrong. The problem isn't that you don't like these characters. The problem is that you don't WANT to like these characters. You don't give them fair chances and only complain about them at face value. You only focus on the negative and shun away anything that could potentially be seen as a positive in your eyes. You are devoted to condemning this show so much that you are intentionally blinded to seeing anything good aside from Knock Out and June. This goes well beyond rationality and extends into devout and ignorant hatred.

Does this have anything to do with the sudden wrapping up of Animated? Yes, Animated was better, but does that mean this show should be treated with such childish insults and rage? Are you so sore over the end of Animated that you refuse to see any merit in this? If so, I've got some seven specific words for you: GROW UP and GET OVER IT already! Man up and show a little maturity. It's JUST a TV show!

[Shadowman]

:KREMZEEK: Episode 26 is up!



Here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFoYLkrn ... ideo_title

I'm sorry I don't know how to embed...

Watch out the raw awesomness may blow your mind!
My mom was looking at me funny the entire time I was watching it. Then asked me to "Please stop that odd squealing noise."


Oh yeah Optimus told Jack a lie in episode 25...

I have a problem. Do I watch it now because I want to, or watch it when it airs? This can change my entire weekend and--oh, I'm already watching it. Well, no reason I can't watch it when it airs as well. Thanks for posting this! (my horrible spoiler list to follow)

[Sabrblade]

Just watched it.

Episode 26 -

Well, this episode makes absolute certain the connection between WFC, Exodus, and Prime. That entire flashback was lifted directly from the book and games.

Ha! The key looks like the Key to Vector Sigma... becuase it is the Key to Vector Sigma!

soundwave stood up for Megatron and proves his "silent-yet-deadly" position. Never cross Soundwave or his loyalty to Megatron.

Megatron is WAY better his G1 self. He was able to fully defy all of Unicron's mental control and asserted himself has serving no one other than himself.

And YAY! Orion Pax is back! He was SO much more appealing than Optimus. Though, I'm curious as to how this will play out, since the show is made by people who aren't Alex Irvine.

And, Orion was wise enough to see passed Megatronus' ambitions, so I will not be happy if Orion is so easily fooled by Megs for longer than he should be.

Though, I do wonder just how much of Optimus' memories were taken. Like, what the last thing Orion remembers is. how long after he had met Megatronus and how long before they appeared before the High Council. Would he know of the term "Autobot" or would his memories be of his life before he coined that term?

Unicron's spark is huge this time around, where it was tiny in energon.

And, now with Unicron silenced, it's both a good thing and a bad thing storywise. it's bad because they already went and played the ultimate trump card so soon in the show, in a kinda demeaning way, no less. but it's good because now that they've already used Unicron, they have more leeway to let new and more creative ideas come to fruition. While none of them will likely be as big a deal as Unicron, they can still be very innovative and ingenious in their own right.

[Red 50]

Since I don't know how many have already seen it I'll use spoilers cover, just in case.
First off, Unicrons avatars are awesome, but even more awesome was Optimus slayin' them (reminded me of DOTM). Especially epic was the musical background.

I'm starting to like Megatron more and more and that since "Rock Bottom". The part where he offered Optimus his hand was amazing. Who knew he was so tall? I mean he dwarfed everyone else!

Was it really a key of the Groundbridge supply-line as Optimus said or does anyone think that it could be anything else.

I was kinda expecting that someone would ask Jack about Megatron not forgetting his face. That reminded of Lockdown and Swindle from the Animated.

Arcee: "You first."
Megatron: "As you wish."(Bows to Arcee)
That was, um... Unexpected.

Megatron walking through the Groundbridge felt so deep.

I think Miko's and Rafael's reactions were pointless and irrelevant, but I was expecting June to express her feelings and thoughts toward Megs.

So, I get that they don't have their partners, but no one mentioned June or Fowler when Optimus gave Autobots to choose. Oh, well, better luck next time...

Airachnid is successfully replacing Screamer.We'll see about that when Megatropn returns to Nemesis...

Unicron is watching you! And he knows they're in... Who thinks there's gonna be something like the things in '86 movie, trying to stop them? (Y'know, the clawed things...)

All in all, it was so awesome episode! Another week till the last part! Everything shall end next weekend.

The end is near...

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Just watched it.

Episode 26 -

Well, this episode makes absolute certain the connection between WFC, Exodus, and Prime. That entire flashback was lifted directly from the book and games.

While I personally agree, I can still see an argument against.

Particularly with the different looks of the Matrix and other things

Megatron is WAY better his G1 self. He was able to fully defy all of Unicron's mental control and asserted himself has serving no one other than himself.

In G1 Unicron didnt exert any "mental control", he used pain

[Sabrblade]

While I personally agree, I can still see an argument against.

Particularly with the different looks of the Matrix and other things

I'd chalk that up to differences in the animation studios and cost cutting measures.

Or Ratchet's simply misremembering what everyone looked like.

Megatron is WAY better his G1 self. He was able to fully defy all of Unicron's mental control and asserted himself has serving no one other than himself.

In G1 Unicron didnt exert any "mental control", he used pain

Unicron mentally used pain to try to control Megs/Galvy in G1. You KNOW what I meant!

[Sabrblade]

Since I don't know how many have already seen it I'll use spoilers cover, just in case.

We're mostly speaking in spoiler tags because we just watched episdoe 26 on YouTube. Scroll above and you can watch it too.

[Shadowman]

Here there be spoilers:

-We get a big fancy flashback to the early days of Optimus and Megatron...and their designs are from TFP, not WfC. WTF.

-The Fallen's real name is used for the first time in anything other than the books. (I'll start using it when he stops being the Fallen)

-Ah, but it DOES specifically mention the "To The Core" mission of WfC. The link is not entirely severed, just...tangled. They say he needed the Matrix before he could become a Prime, but they named him as such before he got the Matrix from the Core in WfC. Also they never called him Orion.

-I haven't read Exodus.

-And they admit that, yes, the Core is Primus, something I figured right after it spoke.

-Remember those Dark Energon Spiders in WfC? Unicron has bat versions of them.

-Okay, Megatron and Optimus fighting side-by-side is pretty goddamn sweet.

-Turns out Airachnid is just Starscream minus the sycophancy. Her assuming control of the Decepticons is a damn near recreation of Starscream doing so at the end of Darkness Rising.

-And now we learn why Starscream was never willing to assert authority over Soundwave; he WILL kick your ass into next week.

-There's a reason the key to the Ground Bridge looks like the Key to Vector Sigma. It's because the Ground Bridge doesn't have a key.

-This Megatron is now waaaaaaay more awesome than G1. He's defiant even in the face of Unicron's torture, whereas G1 Megatron/Galvatron folded after only a few seconds of it. Unicron had to take him offline then assume direct control of him. And considering how this whole episode resembles the Suicide Mission from Mass Effect 2, I'm shocked that's the only ME reference I've thrown out.

-As expected, Optimus...doesn't die, he loses his memories, reverts to Orion Pax, then joins with his ol' pal Megatronus. And I'm betting restoring the Matrix is going to be a major plot point in Season 2. Which begins next month. And we should be grateful! Used to be you had to wait an entire summer minimum to see season finale cliffhangers get resolves. Isn't that right, Locutus of Borg?

[Sabrblade]

Here there be spoilers:

Then kindly use the spoiler tags, please?

-We get a big fancy flashback to the early days of Optimus and Megatron...and their designs are from TFP, not WfC. WTF.

Like I said to Sto, I'd chalk that up to differences in the animation studios and cost cutting measures.

Or Ratchet's simply misremembering what everyone looked like.

-The Fallen's real name is used for the first time in anything other than the books. (I'll start using it when he stops being the Fallen)

-Ah, but it DOES specifically mention the "To The Core" mission of WfC. The link is not entirely severed, just...tangled. They say he needed the Matrix before he could become a Prime, but they named him as such before he got the Matrix from the Core in WfC. Also they never called him Orion.

-I haven't read Exodus.

-And they admit that, yes, the Core is Primus, something I figured right after it spoke.

A lot of this was taken more from Exodus than from WFC, but the end result of the Core mission in both was pretty much the same.

-And now we learn why Starscream was never willing to assert authority over Soundwave; he WILL kick your ass into next week.

-There's a reason the key to the Ground Bridge looks like the Key to Vector Sigma. It's because the Ground Bridge doesn't have a key.

-This Megatron is now waaaaaaay more awesome than G1. He's defiant even in the face of Unicron's torture, whereas G1 Megatron/Galvatron folded after only a few seconds of it. Unicron had to take him offline then assume direct control of him.

Copycat. LOL J/K

[LadyBug]

One thing about this episode:

Didn't anyone else think that they got the idea for Unicron's "eye" from Lord of the Ring? I laughed so hard when I saw that.

But I miss Screamer ;_;
I really thought when a 'con saved the Autobots from the Mega! Unicron - that it was going to be him. I really did. I didn't expect it to be Megatron at all. Please, can Starscream come back for the last episode? We all know he has something big planned up his alley, but he needs to come back to claim his rightful place as second-in-command. Airachnid just needs to disappear now. Either by Arcee.... or some other form. I can't stand her guts.

[Shadowman]

Here there be spoilers:

Then kindly use the spoiler tags, please?

Don't need to. If I warn you my post contains spoilers before the actual spoilers, all you need to do in scroll down until you see my sig then read whatever is after that. If my post spoiled anything for anyone, well, then they either didn't read or simply ignored the very first line of my post, and it's their own fault. That's how we did things before these fancy, mamby-pamby spoiler tags. And if you pay attention, it's how I did all of my posts in this thread.

Also I don't care for giant gray blocks making up the entirety of a post.

Copycat. LOL J/K

To be perfectly fair, I was still writing my post when you posted yours. Imagine my surprise when you posted nearly the entire same post as me without either of us knowing. You have no idea how often that happens to me.

[LadyBug]

And if people walk into this thread, expecting not to find spoilers - then their foolish to begin with. This thread is a 142 some pages long? I expect spoilers. I, my self, know better not to look in this thread until I have seen the current issue because of spoilers.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Yeah I don't think the thing Optimus gave Jack is a key, I think its probably a piece of the Matrix of leadership

[Shadowman]

Yeah I don't think the thing Optimus gave Jack is a key, I think its probably a piece of the Matrix of leadership

It's the Key to Vector Sigma.

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Yeah I don't think the thing Optimus gave Jack is a key, I think its probably a piece of the Matrix of leadership

It's the Key to Vector Sigma.

Yeah I just saw episode 26 a couple of minutes ago, I wonder what Vector Sigma's purpose in this version of transformers is

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I'd chalk that up to differences in the animation studios and cost cutting measures.

Or Ratchet's simply misremembering what everyone looked like.

keep in mind that he didnt witness all those events himself

Unicron mentally used pain to try to control Megs/Galvy in G1. You KNOW what I meant!

ZI was just breaking balls

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

They say he needed the Matrix before he could become a Prime, but they named him as such before he got the Matrix from the Core in WfC.

they pretty much said the same in the book

[Sabrblade]

They say he needed the Matrix before he could become a Prime, but they named him as such before he got the Matrix from the Core in WfC.

they pretty much said the same in the book

Yeah, prior to getting it from the Core, he was "de facto" Prime in both. The only real difference being when the Council granted him the title. In the book, it was before the war had even officially begun. In the game, it was right after saving Sentinel Zeta Prime.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

They say he needed the Matrix before he could become a Prime, but they named him as such before he got the Matrix from the Core in WfC.

they pretty much said the same in the book

Yeah, prior to getting it from the Core, he was "de facto" Prime in both. The only real difference being when the Council granted him the title. In the book, it was before the war had even officially begun. In the game, it was right after saving Sentinel Zeta Prime.

And I wouldnt even call that a difference.

A] the Council may have granted him the job/title before the war started in the game as well....we just didnt see it.

B] the Council may have OFFICIALLY granted him the title after he gained the matrix in the book's universe but it just wasnt covered.

[Shadowman]

They say he needed the Matrix before he could become a Prime, but they named him as such before he got the Matrix from the Core in WfC.

they pretty much said the same in the book

Yeah, prior to getting it from the Core, he was "de facto" Prime in both. The only real difference being when the Council granted him the title. In the book, it was before the war had even officially begun. In the game, it was right after saving Sentinel Zeta Prime.

Ah, he didn't really save Zeta Prime. He brought Zeta's corpse back, then they declared Optimus the last Prime.

Still, though, there's enough inconsistencies between book and game (There's even inconsistencies between Exodus and Exodus) that I'm at this point willing to look past inconsistencies in book, game, and show.

[Sabrblade]

And I wouldnt even call that a difference.

A] the Council may have granted him the job/title before the war started in the game as well....we just didnt see it.

They named him "Prime" before the war in the book. In the game, he was just "Optimus" and said "there are no Primes" after Zeta's death.

B] the Council may have OFFICIALLY granted him the title after he gained the matrix in the book's universe but it just wasnt covered.

In the book, by the time of the events that parallel WFC begin, only three council members remained alive: Contrail, Ratbat and Drivetrain, all of whom had joined the Decepticons. The rest of the High Council was all dead. Alpha Trion himself (who was NOT part of the High Council) was who officially named Optimus "Prime" after Sentinel's burial, which was before Optimus went to get the Matrix from the Core.

But, in both versions, the Core gave Optimus the Matrix and truly named him Prime.