The Energon Pub

[Sabrblade]

Why does Unicron need to talk at all?

Because he's a sentient person.

Personally, I think it would've been far more menacing of him to only utter one or two phrases, rather than bother his godly self with actually talking to the lowly Megatron.

A simple "No." and a flick of his ethereal wrist to knock Megs off the volcano would be enough to show how little he cares of any other life form. At the moment he's just coming across as a big spiky jerk instead of a god.

Long, intimidating silences. Like the A/E/C Unicron but with brains.

Anyone else think so?

Unicron spoke a LOT in Armada. He was talking all kinds of smack to Optimus and Galvatron. In Energon, he and Megatron would bicker and argue with each other, yelling back and forth at one anohter inside Megatron's head. So, Unicron was far from silent in those series.

[Scatterlung]

Why does Unicron need to talk at all?

Because he's a sentient person.

And thats why a speaking Unicron is a bad idea, because it makes him a 'person'. Suddenly he's not a God anymore, an embodiment of chaos, a force of Nature as Optimus described him, but a person, with human emotions and motivations. We've got enough of those.

If he were a manifestation of a physical force, he would not have any need for a voice, no need to reason or communicate, he would serve his function and that would be it. That is what makes a 'force of nature' terrifying, its unreasonable in its duty to do whatever it does. If Unicron is indeed that force of evil or whatever, he wouldn't need a voice, he would just do evil. Eviling over here, eviling over there, without a care for what anybody thought or would say.

Maybe he needs a voice then to make bargains with lowly mortal transformers? Well, personally, I've never agreed with that either. He's the chaos bringer. HE brings the chaos. He shouldn't need little heralds to do that for him. In that sense, this Unicron delivers.

I JUST don't like that he has a voice.

[Sabrblade]

Why does Unicron need to talk at all?

Because he's a sentient person.

And thats why a speaking Unicron is a bad idea, because it makes him a 'person'. Suddenly he's not a God anymore, an embodiment of chaos, a force of Nature as Optimus described him, but a person, with human emotions and motivations. We've got enough of those.

If he were a manifestation of a physical force, he would not have any need for a voice, no need to reason or communicate, he would serve his function and that would be it. That is what makes a 'force of nature' terrifying, its unreasonable in its duty to do whatever it does. If Unicron is indeed that force of evil or whatever, he wouldn't need a voice, he would just do evil. Eviling over here, eviling over there, without a care for what anybody thought or would say.

Maybe he needs a voice then to make bargains with lowly mortal transformers? Well, personally, I've never agreed with that either. He's the chaos bringer. HE brings the chaos. He shouldn't need little heralds to do that for him. In that sense, this Unicron delivers.

I JUST don't like that he has a voice.

You do realize that he wasn't originally made by the creators of the G1 movie and cartoon to be a god, right? He was originally just a giant robot built by a monkey scientist. He was later retconned into being a god. So, his being a "person" preceded his established godhood as a character.

[DJ1107]

Yeah Where have you've been the past 30 something years Unicron always talk From G1-Today The only thing I hate about this Unicron is his design it's to hideous what was with this continuity and it tendency to make pre-modern day Transformer look like a mess.

[Shadowman]

Why does Unicron need to talk at all?

Personally, I think it would've been far more menacing of him to only utter one or two phrases, rather than bother his godly self with actually talking to the lowly Megatron.

A simple "No." and a flick of his ethereal wrist to knock Megs off the volcano would be enough to show how little he cares of any other life form.

That would have been extremely confusing. Think about it without thinking about anything that followed. Just saying no before tossing Megatron away then vanishing just makes it look like he's going back to sleep.

Face it, he's always been talkative. Primus was the quiet one.

[Dead Metal]

Face it, he's always been talkative. Primus was the quiet one.

Beware the quiet ones.

[Shadowman]

Face it, he's always been talkative. Primus was the quiet one.

Beware the quiet ones.

Too late, Vector Prime already described Primus as a really nice guy.

Also, TFWiki claimed that the one holding the Magnus Hammer in the big action shot of the Original 13 is Solus Prime, and if you look closely that does certainly appear more feminine. It also claims that the one with the large horns (The only one you can easily pick out in all three images, aside from Glowy-Ball Prime) is Liege Maximo. So there's three confirmed. (Including Prima) I thought it would be easier, especially since we're already well-acquainted with another three. (Vector Prime, Alpha Trion, and the Fallen--I'll start calling him Megatronus Prime when he stops being the Fallen)

Still, Glowy-Ball Prime is proving to be the most curious of them all. What kind of crazy power does he have, I wonder. Perhaps he is the Guardian of Hamsters.

[Red 50]

Face it, he's always been talkative. Primus was the quiet one.

Beware the quiet ones.

Too late, Vector Prime already described Primus as a really nice guy.

Also, TFWiki claimed that the one holding the Magnus Hammer in the big action shot of the Original 13 is Solus Prime, and if you look closely that does certainly appear more feminine. It also claims that the one with the large horns (The only one you can easily pick out in all three images, aside from Glowy-Ball Prime) is Liege Maximo. So there's three confirmed. (Including Prima) I thought it would be easier, especially since we're already well-acquainted with another three. (Vector Prime, Alpha Trion, and the Fallen--I'll start calling him Megatronus Prime when he stops being the Fallen)

Still, Glowy-Ball Prime is proving to be the most curious of them all. What kind of crazy power does he have, I wonder. Perhaps he is the Guardian of Hamsters.

Actually, I don't think that TFWiki claimed them to be, rather, it said they resembled them.

By the way, did anyone else thought that the meeting of Megatron and Unicron was a reference to their meeting in '86 movie, just the opposite way?

Fowler and June? Man I hope the show creators develop something out of it.

What are the chances that June is gonna have the exact same car, that she lost, in the future again?

These avatars of Unicron were about Prime-sized (a bit bigger). So will the humongous Unicron be also an avatar or will he find a way to exit Earths core?

Does anyone else think they will use some magical artifact to destroy the Chaos Bringer? Like maybe Primas' sword?

I'd say it's a two-out-of-three possibility that June takes the groundment from Jack by the end of the threeparter.

And on a side note: Will we ever meet Miko's real parents? 'Cause she's an exchange student, so when her exchange should end, what then? Bulkie can't follow her to Japan. But she can't be left unprotected.

[Sabrblade]

Actually, I don't think that TFWiki claimed them to be, rather, it said they resembled them.

Agreed. These would be their best guesses at best. Though, that is SO Vector Prime! Just paint him gold and his beard white and there you go.

What are the chances that June is gonna have the exact same car, that she lost, in the future again?

Probably as much as when Captain Fanzone had the same car again and again in Animated.

These avatars of Unicron were about Prime-sized (a bit bigger). So will the humongous Unicron be also an avatar or will he find a way to exit Earths core/

For now, I'm gonna guess it's another avatar, since the real Uni's said to have become non-corporeal now.

Does anyone else think they will use some magical artifact to destroy the Chaos Bringer? Like maybe Primas' sword?

Well, accroding to external material, Optimus does have the Matrix in his chest, so...

I'd say it's a two-out-of-three possibility that June takes the groundment from Jack by the end of the threeparter.

Or it just becomes ignored/forgotten.

And on a side note: Will we ever meet Miko's real parents? 'Cause she's an exchange student, so when her exchange should end, what then? Bulkie can't follow her to Japan. But she can't be left unprotected.

It's best not to think too much about that for now.

[Firebrand]

These avatars of Unicron were about Prime-sized (a bit bigger). So will the humongous Unicron be also an avatar or will he find a way to exit Earths core?

I kinda doubt Unicron's body survived the possible billions of years of cosmic turbulence being the core of a new, constantly shifting planet. From what I understand his essence survived but his body was broken down. I think Prime said his limbs became the planet's metallic minerals or something. So while he can still make mountainous avatars of his likeness out of the planet I don't think we'll be seeing a true Unicron just yet.

Alas all that evil has to go somewhere at the end of this ordeal, perhaps we'll be seeing Unicron's full glory in the future. Besides, if he doesn't transform into anything, how can there be a toy?

[Sabrblade]

Besides, if he doesn't transform into anything, how can there be a toy?

Action Master Uni?

Or, they can just make up an altmode for the toy. Like how The Fallen didn't transform in ROTF, but still had a transforming toy.

[Dead Metal]

Besides, if he doesn't transform into anything, how can there be a toy?

Action Master Uni?

Or, they can just make up an altmode for the toy. Like how The Fallen didn't transform in ROTF, but still had a transforming toy.

Or Hasbro will just make an impressive, articulated, detailed and show accurate action figure or, maybe just a statue.
I don't see why Hasbro would go through the trouble of designing Unicron and the 13 without alt-modes just to make up a stupid alt-mode for the toy and therefore jeopardising the design.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I kinda doubt Unicron's body survived the possible billions of years of cosmic turbulence being the core of a new, constantly shifting planet. From what I understand his essence survived but his body was broken down. I think Prime said his limbs became the planet's metallic minerals or something. So while he can still make mountainous avatars of his likeness out of the planet I don't think we'll be seeing a true Unicron just yet.

Sounds like a "que" for Primicron to enter and build him a new body.

[Shadowman]

Actually, I don't think that TFWiki claimed them to be, rather, it said they resembled them.

The problem with that is Solus Prime, who we have never actually seen before.

Does anyone else think they will use some magical artifact to destroy the Chaos Bringer? Like maybe Primas' sword?

Prima's Star Saber had the Matrix of Leadership as a hilt. And Optimus already has the Matrix of Leadership on him. So there's that.

I'd say it's a two-out-of-three possibility that June takes the groundment from Jack by the end of the threeparter.

Obviously. Any time a parent grounds their child into adulthood, it counts for nothing.

And on a side note: Will we ever meet Miko's real parents? 'Cause she's an exchange student, so when her exchange should end, what then? Bulkie can't follow her to Japan. But she can't be left unprotected.

Very easily: Ground Bridge.

[Sabrblade]

Besides, if he doesn't transform into anything, how can there be a toy?

Action Master Uni?

Or, they can just make up an altmode for the toy. Like how The Fallen didn't transform in ROTF, but still had a transforming toy.

Or Hasbro will just make an impressive, articulated, detailed and show accurate action figure or, maybe just a statue.
I don't see why Hasbro would go through the trouble of designing Unicron and the 13 without alt-modes just to make up a stupid alt-mode for the toy and therefore jeopardising the design.

Well, they did say at BotCon that they aren't planning any toys of the 13. So, they can make whatever awesome designs they want for them without needing to work in an altmode.

Hasbro's no longer just about toys when it comes to the Transformers. Now they're focusing on the lore and the characters too. and this case, these are characters designed for story purposes, rather than toy purposes.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

I'm curious as to what Ultra Magnus (animated/exodus) connection is to Solus, because she (or one of the others, but it seems highly likely to be her) was holding a hammer that was very similar to Animated Ultra Magnus' hammer...and exodus used a hammer as well.

[Sabrblade]

I'm curious as to what Ultra Magnus (animated/exodus) connection is to Solus, because she (or one of the others, but it seems highly likely to be her) was holding a hammer that was very similar to Animated Ultra Magnus' hammer...and exodus used a hammer as well.

Well, since she's said to have been a weaponsmith, maybe it's just that the hammer was passed down to great warriors throughout the ages, until finally reaching Ultra Magnus. Then again, while Exodus did say that he weilded A hammer, it didn't speicifically spell out that it was THE Magnus Hammer. So there's the possibility that she could still have it in Exiles.

[Shadowman]

I'm curious as to what Ultra Magnus (animated/exodus) connection is to Solus, because she (or one of the others, but it seems highly likely to be her) was holding a hammer that was very similar to Animated Ultra Magnus' hammer...and exodus used a hammer as well.

Well, since she's said to have been a weaponsmith, maybe it's just that the hammer was passed down to great warriors throughout the ages, until finally reaching Ultra Magnus. Then again, while Exodus did say that he weilded A hammer, it didn't speicifically spell out that it was THE Magnus Hammer. So there's the possibility that she could still have it in Exiles.

It's not uncommon for the Original 13 to give away their cool stuff. Vector Prime have his sword to Optimus Prime in Cybertron and Prima obviously passed down the Matrix, so it's not unthinkable that Solus Prime would hand off the Magnus Hammer at some point.

And if she wants it back in Exiles, well, she's one of the Original 13. She either has a lot of respect, like Alpha Trion, or she just beats him silly and takes it from him, like the Fallen.

[BeastProwl]

Well, that old flashback was on Cybertron before the great war right? So if WFC Is a prequel, then cybertron went prime style, cybertron style, then back to prime styling? This is just more evidence of what I was saying before, I think WFC and Prime are not as closely related as they want us to believe. I believed it up until the Primus and the 13 vs unicron bit. That's what sold me on WFC Being a standalone series.

[Sabrblade]

Well, that old flashback was on Cybertron before the great war right? So if WFC Is a prequel, then cybertron went prime style, cybertron style, then back to prime styling? This is just more evidence of what I was saying before, I think WFC and Prime are not as closely related as they want us to believe. I believed it up until the Primus and the 13 vs unicron bit. That's what sold me on WFC Being a standalone series.

No, it's just that the pre-WFC events seen in these flashbacks were drawn in the Prime art style to make it better match up with the overall look and feel of the episode. It does not negate the two from being in the same continuity family. In anything, this flashback should help reinforce the connection between the two, as they drew the WFC design of the Core in the Prime art style to cement that they are indeed the same Core.




But we are not supposed to think of the show as happening immediately after the game, as there are TONS of events that occur between the two that attempt to develop the story much further and enhance the overall continuity.

This is no different than how we saw the designs of the Generation 1 characters drawn in the Beast Wars art style during the second and third seasons of that show. Otherwise, you might as well start claiming that G1 and Beast Wars are standalone from each other without any connections.

[Red 50]

And on a side note: Will we ever meet Miko's real parents? 'Cause she's an exchange student, so when her exchange should end, what then? Bulkie can't follow her to Japan. But she can't be left unprotected.

Very easily: Ground Bridge.

I actually meant that Bulkhead is needed by the Autobots in battle. He can't leave to Miko in Japan when he's needed by his comrades to kick Decepticon ports.

Although then they could bring in Ironhide. While Bulkie protects her, Hide can slag the 'cons.

NOTE: this is all hypothetical. None of this is canon (so far).

[Sabrblade]

Thanks to this episode and TFWiki, we have some good (or, at least, decent) looks at the Thirteen as they appear in the modern Aligned Continuity.

Here they are together (well, 11 of them). Full size


And in battle (still 11). Full size


At the Well of All Sparks (Where are the other two?) Full size


And now for some good guesses as to who's who.

Since he's placed up front (and looks close enough), this might be Prima.


Likely Alpha Trion


Maybe the Liege Maximo


SO totally Vector Prime!


Probably Nexus Prime (the dude with the visor, not the dude on the left)


Looks feminine enough to be Solus Prime. Supported by her wielding the Magnus Hammer and being a weaponsmith.


This isn't pictured yet, but I'm guessing that Megatronus Prime is the the big hulking guy with the fiery eyes and sparkly body seen in the first three pics.

[Shadowman]

And on a side note: Will we ever meet Miko's real parents? 'Cause she's an exchange student, so when her exchange should end, what then? Bulkie can't follow her to Japan. But she can't be left unprotected.

Very easily: Ground Bridge.

I actually meant that Bulkhead is needed by the Autobots in battle. He can't leave to Miko in Japan when he's needed by his comrades to kick Decepticon ports.

Although then they could bring in Ironhide. While Bulkie protects her, Hide can slag the 'cons.

NOTE: this is all hypothetical. None of this is canon (so far).

Or she could just Ground Bridge back to the base every day, like they've always done.

[prowl123]

I just noticed that this looks exactly like my face!

[SirSoundwaveIV]

After seeing those pics again, I'm noticing a mini-conish prime (one that's glowing in the well of all sparks pic) Over-Run had a deep connection with Cybertron in Armada/Energon comics as well as the Cybertron comics- think that could be him?