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[Heavy B]

For those without the paitentce to wait 2 days, One Shall Rise part 3 is on youtube.

SPOILER WARNING, highlight at own risk, it is NOT the link to the episode on youtube.

Some one has read "Megatron Origin" and "Transformers Ongoing 22 and 23"...

[Sabrblade]

For those without the paitentce to wait 2 days, One Shall Rise part 3 is on youtube.

SPOILER WARNING, highlight at own risk, it is NOT the link to the episode on youtube.

Some one has read "Megatron Origin" and "Transformers Ongoing 22 and 23"...

You mean Exodus, as all of that was lifted straight from it.

And, we've already seen Part 3.

[Heavy B]

For those without the paitentce to wait 2 days, One Shall Rise part 3 is on youtube.

SPOILER WARNING, highlight at own risk, it is NOT the link to the episode on youtube.

Some one has read "Megatron Origin" and "Transformers Ongoing 22 and 23"...

You mean Exodus, as all of that was lifted straight from it.

And, we've already seen Part 3.

never got around to reading exodus. nor do i intend to. if it were any good, they would have intigrated it into WFC

[Sabrblade]

For those without the paitentce to wait 2 days, One Shall Rise part 3 is on youtube.

SPOILER WARNING, highlight at own risk, it is NOT the link to the episode on youtube.

Some one has read "Megatron Origin" and "Transformers Ongoing 22 and 23"...

You mean Exodus, as all of that was lifted straight from it.

And, we've already seen Part 3.

never got around to reading exodus. nor do i intend to. if it were any good, they would have intigrated it into WFC

WFC IS integrated into Exodus. Chapters 16-38.

[Shadowman]

And for the love of God, can Hasbro please name the remainder of the Original 13 something other than Prime? It's getting unimaginative.

But they're all Primes.

It's been stated that, no, they aren't. Like Alpha Trion and Liege Maximo. Hasbro is on record saying only 7 of the Original 13 are Primes, to make Jetfire's story about them in ROTF correct.

[Sabrblade]

And for the love of God, can Hasbro please name the remainder of the Original 13 something other than Prime? It's getting unimaginative.

But they're all Primes.

It's been stated that, no, they aren't. Like Alpha Trion and Liege Maximo. Hasbro is on record saying only 7 of the Original 13 are Primes, to make Jetfire's story about them in ROTF correct.

Optimus Prime: "Only by creating the Thirteen, the original Primes who preceded me, was Primus finally able to defeat Unicron."

This line, combined with info from Exodus and Exiles, shows that the Aligned continuity subscribes to the notion that all 13 were Primes, as was the original statement by Vector Prime himself in "Vector Prime: In the Beginning.":

We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a Prime and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity

[Shadowman]

And for the love of God, can Hasbro please name the remainder of the Original 13 something other than Prime? It's getting unimaginative.

But they're all Primes.

It's been stated that, no, they aren't. Like Alpha Trion and Liege Maximo. Hasbro is on record saying only 7 of the Original 13 are Primes, to make Jetfire's story about them in ROTF correct.

Optimus Prime: "Only by creating the Thirteen, the original Primes who preceded me, was Primus finally able to defeat Unicron."

This line, combined with info from Exodus and Exiles, shows that the Aligned continuity subscribes to the notion that all 13 were Primes, as was the original statement by Vector Prime himself in "Vector Prime: In the Beginning.":

We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a Prime and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity

But that still doesn't account for Alpha Trion and Liege Maximo.

In any case, Prime or no, I still have issues with the two latest reveals. Alchemist Prime? That's not even a name, that's just a job followed by Prime. You could have come up with something more creative there.

[Sabrblade]

But that still doesn't account for Alpha Trion and Liege Maximo.

They're former Primes, but were still Primes at one point.

Maybe Hasbro doesn't wanna create any post-Prime names right now and want to first create the Prime-ranked versions of the 13 before they make any more post-Prime-named 13ers.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

And for the love of God, can Hasbro please name the remainder of the Original 13 something other than Prime? It's getting unimaginative.

But they're all Primes.

It's been stated that, no, they aren't. Like Alpha Trion and Liege Maximo. Hasbro is on record saying only 7 of the Original 13 are Primes, to make Jetfire's story about them in ROTF correct.

Optimus Prime: "Only by creating the Thirteen, the original Primes who preceded me, was Primus finally able to defeat Unicron."

This line, combined with info from Exodus and Exiles, shows that the Aligned continuity subscribes to the notion that all 13 were Primes, as was the original statement by Vector Prime himself in "Vector Prime: In the Beginning.":

We are the 13, the first, the forgotten, each of us serving a function vital to the survival of the universe. Each of us designated a Prime and given a function to serve during the long march of infinity

The way I see it, one does not require the name "PRIME" to be a Prime in this regard.

The original 13 are all Primes as they were the first created by Primus.

But not all of the 13 have the sufix Prime in their names.

[Sabrblade]

Besides, the notion that only 7 of the 13 were Primes was an attempt to reconcile Seven Primes of ROTF with the 13 (when the movie's script original called for 13 instead of 7), but this has not been carried out since.

Plus,a lot of supplementary ROTF material couldn't decide whether there were 7 or 13. The ROTF novel and comic adaptation both said 13. "Tales of the Fallen issue 3" had 7. "Defiance" had 13. The Fallen's bio on the ROTF DVD said 13. "The Last Prime" children's book said 13.

[crashhcourse]

and they totally left out Grouchy Prime, Jokey Prime and Primette.

[Shadowman]

and they totally left out Grouchy Prime, Jokey Prime and Primette.

The Fallen, Amalgamous Prime, Solus Prime. Solid reference, though, those are now names of the last few unnamed Original 13.

[WiEGoP]

I've been rewatching the end of Part Three of 'One Shall Rise' and as far as I can tell losing the knowledge of the Matrix/his memories gave Prime an instant brow lift. It looks like it's the only visual change, but it makes him look a bajillion years younger.

Anyone else notice any visual change?

[Rodimus2006]

This is how like in the 1986 movie then later on in the other seasons of G1 how the Matrix affected Hot Rod.

When he inserted the Matrix he became Rodimus Prime however when he pulls the matrix out or someone steals the matrix he reverts back to his old self Hot Rod.

Same deal with Optimus when Prime uses the Matrix he is the current leader of the Autobots but when he uses the Matrix he reverts back to Orion Pax and losses his memories of ever being a Prime.

So the Matrix of Leadership may save the universe such as G1 with the Hate Plague or can Seal Unicron back in Stasis but it always comes with a Price.

So the Matrix of Leadership has wierd energy must be cause of the Anient Wisdom of the Ancients but the questions remains what is really contained withing the Matrix what kind of properties does it contain to cause such drasitic changes and effects.

[Sabrblade]

This is how like in the 1986 movie then later on in the other seasons of G1 how the Matrix affected Hot Rod.

When he inserted the Matrix he became Rodimus Prime however when he pulls the matrix out or someone steals the matrix he reverts back to his old self Hot Rod.

Same deal with Optimus when Prime uses the Matrix he is the current leader of the Autobots but when he uses the Matrix he reverts back to Orion Pax and losses his memories of ever being a Prime.

Except that he was already "Optimus Prime" even before he originally got the Matrix. The only thing the Matrix did when it was bestowed upon him was make the Prime title officially official, but he still technically had the Prime title before getting it.

[Shadowman]

I've been rewatching the end of Part Three of 'One Shall Rise' and as far as I can tell losing the knowledge of the Matrix/his memories gave Prime an instant brow lift. It looks like it's the only visual change, but it makes him look a bajillion years younger.

Anyone else notice any visual change?

You're right. I noticed something was different about his eyes but I couldn't tell exactly what.

but the questions remains what is really contained withing the Matrix

It's a piece of the Spark of Primus. We've always known this.

[Red 50]

I finally managed to watch the last episode of the tri-parter. It was mind-blowing.
In no particular order...

Unicron's inside anti-bodies were awesome. Nothing like the clawed things in '96, but cooler.

I actually thought that Bulkhead was gonna die out there.

Optimus's history was deep. I liked it.

I like Megatron more than ever. That means they've done something right.

June and William? I kinda thought so earlier, but it was still fun to finally see it happen.

Soundwave kicked Airachnids tailpipe with ease while even Arcee's had hard time with it! Man I wish we'd see that on the battlefield.

Optimus and Megatron back-to-back was so epic and dynamic! And the music was just as equal! When is the soundtrack coming out?!

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall anyone even mentioning what the Key of Vector Sigma does.

Optimus had the famous quote! "Light our darkest hour!" Sure he didn't make it famous, but he pulled it off darn well!

Megatron's shock was impossible to describe in words. It's like finding a friend you thought was dead long ago, reuniting with him after losing hope of ever seeing him again...

Probably the part where Orion goes through the Bridge, not remembering the 'Bots was the saddest part of TFP I've ever seen. You saw the look on Bee's face. It was... Too hard to put in words...

I've been rewatching the end of Part Three of 'One Shall Rise' and as far as I can tell losing the knowledge of the Matrix/his memories gave Prime an instant brow lift. It looks like it's the only visual change, but it makes him look a bajillion years younger.

Anyone else notice any visual change?

And no, I didn't notice the change of his brows. But I did notice that his impression was not the same. Optimus had this sure and confident look in his optics, but Orion, he was so shy and confused... You could literally tell them apart, even with one body.

I wonder when we're gonna get the first episodes of season two.

[Sabrblade]

Optimus's history was deep. I liked it.

Yep. Taken straight out of Exodus.

I wonder when we're gonna get the first episodes of season two.

The first one, at least, is scheduled for release on November 28.

[Rodimus2006]

I just hope they can keep this pace up with S2 I cant wait to see the aftermath and see how they keep things rolling.

The Autobots will be in complete dissaray and are severely out numbered with no leader things just keep on getting worser for them.

Not only do they have the cons to do deal with they also have MECH and Project Chimera, which I hope will get more revealed and a possible glimpse of what project Chimera is going to be.

I still say Jack is the logical choice to replace Optimus that is why OP gave Jack the Key cause he sees a leader in Jack and reminds him of of how he is.

This key to Victor Sigma is diffrent than the old school G1 key this Key is suppose to control the Autobots Ground Bridge.

In G1 it gave live to the Stunticons the key that Megatron stole from Alpha Trion then AT merged with the super computer and they created the Aerial Bots.

But in Prime the Key is just suppose to control the Ground Bridge but there could be more to the key we dont know what it can really do in Prime just yet.

But that was indeed the Key to Vector Sigma that OP gave to Jack.

[Sabrblade]

This key to Victor Sigma is diffrent than the old school G1 key this Key is suppose to control the Autobots Ground Bridge.

No it isn't. Optimus lied to Jack about that, remember?

In G1 it gave live to the Stunticons the key that Megatron stole from Alpha Trion then AT merged with the super computer and they created the Aerial Bots.

They key didn't give anyone life. It just awoke Vector Sigma and then turned organic material into metal.

But in Prime the Key is just suppose to control the Ground Bridge but there could be more to the key we dont know what it can really do in Prime just yet.

Ratchet said that there is no key to the GroundBridge. Did you not watch the episode?

[Shadowman]

The Autobots will be in complete dissaray and are severely out numbered with no leader things just keep on getting worser for them.

Okay, first off, "Worser" is not a word.

Second, they've always been outnumbered. Did you not notice the giant Vehicon army the Decepticons have been using?

This key to Victor Sigma is diffrent than the old school G1 key this Key is suppose to control the Autobots Ground Bridge.

But in Prime the Key is just suppose to control the Ground Bridge but there could be more to the key we dont know what it can really do in Prime just yet.

It doesn't control the Ground Bridge. Ratchet said there is no key to the Ground Bridge. In fact, if you watched them work the Ground Bridge before, you'd know Optimus was lying the moment he said what it was. They've never used a key for it before, and if they did, why would Optimus take it out while they were on a mission? Easy: because he's lying.

[Sabrblade]

In fact, if you watched them work the Ground Bridge before, you'd know Optimus was lying the moment he said what it was. They've never used a key for it before, and if they did, why would Optimus take it out while they were on a mission? Easy: because he's lying.

He said it was the key to the Bridge's power supply, which, as far as we know, has never been shown before. There could still be a power supply, but no key to it.

[Shadowman]

In fact, if you watched them work the Ground Bridge before, you'd know Optimus was lying the moment he said what it was. They've never used a key for it before, and if they did, why would Optimus take it out while they were on a mission? Easy: because he's lying.

He said it was the key to the Bridge's power supply, which, as far as we know, has never been shown before. There could still be a power supply, but no key to it.

Which is an even worse lie, because why would they need a key to that at all? Why would you need to lock up the power supply of the device you use on a daily basis?

[RhA]

In fact, if you watched them work the Ground Bridge before, you'd know Optimus was lying the moment he said what it was. They've never used a key for it before, and if they did, why would Optimus take it out while they were on a mission? Easy: because he's lying.

He said it was the key to the Bridge's power supply, which, as far as we know, has never been shown before. There could still be a power supply, but no key to it.

Which is an even worse lie, because why would they need a key to that at all? Why would you need to lock up the power supply of the device you use on a daily basis?

Security measures? More humans in there on a daily basis.

[Shadowman]

In fact, if you watched them work the Ground Bridge before, you'd know Optimus was lying the moment he said what it was. They've never used a key for it before, and if they did, why would Optimus take it out while they were on a mission? Easy: because he's lying.

He said it was the key to the Bridge's power supply, which, as far as we know, has never been shown before. There could still be a power supply, but no key to it.

Which is an even worse lie, because why would they need a key to that at all? Why would you need to lock up the power supply of the device you use on a daily basis?

Security measures? More humans in there on a daily basis.

I think you missed my point. It's not security measures because it's not the key to the Ground Bridge's power supply, it's the Key to Vector Sigma. My point is, if you apply a bit of logic, you could have figured out Optimus was lying the moment he told Jack what it was.