Wigglez wrote:Wait, CW edits what is already a childrens show to make more child friendly? They mightest well just make the intro the Barney song. And let me guess, when they get to the end of season 2 where Prime gets blown up in their bass, CW is just going to skip that whole part. Good thing I already have the show
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Wigglez wrote:Wait, CW edits what is already a childrens show to make more child friendly? They mightest well just make the intro the Barney song. And let me guess, when they get to the end of season 2 where Prime gets blown up in their bass, CW is just going to skip that whole part. Good thing I already have the show
Oy, yeah, there's some bit of hiccups between the game and the book.BeastProwl wrote:Can someone help me out here?
Im near halfway done with exodus, right? So bumblebee has already lost his voice. This confused me, as it a prequel to WFC, a game were he talks. alot.
So tell me if I have this about right, yeah?
-High Counsel Meeting
-WFC
-BB at Tyger Pax?
-After WFC/before FOC?
Any light shed on this would be appreciated.
Also, were did Sentinel Zeta Prime dissapear too? I know hes in WFC, but its been a while, I'm sketchy on the details, did he make a comeback just to die in WFC?.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Henry921 wrote:Oi, this canon. Spoilers ahead for anyone who missed Fall of Cybertron:
Fall of Cybertron is not going to be easy to reconcile at all with the Prime cartoon, given its very G1-ish conclusion when both the Ark and Nemesis travel through the Space Bridge towards Earth, with Starscream completely unaccounted for and Grimlock possibly ahead of them following his apparent transport through the space bridge from Shockwave's duplicate tower; which has already been contradicted by Rage of the Dinobots, but I digress.
The characters were all en route to Earth, with damaged but still functional ships. Barring some event knocking them all into stasis lock, there should've been some remaining crew members to pilot the ships. I understand the ending is meant to be ambiguous, even a bit cliffhanger-y, but it doesn't reconcile with what we know from the backstories in Prime and Exodus. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the developers at High Moon didn't get copies of the Binder of Revelation to work from, and while they clearly followed Hasbro mandates, Hasbro didn't have much involvement in the story besides approving its content.
Thus I'd posit Fall of Cybertron as a continuation of War for Cybertron in a splinter timeline, creating a new micro-continuity. Relatively little is needed to reconcile War for Cybertron with Exodus, but a lot more work would be needed with its sequel.
We've got multiple universes and splinter timelines of said universes already: let's put 'em to use.
BeastProwl wrote:Why hasbro had to coin the aligned continuity right as Prime came out or before, is beyond my comprehension.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
They don't go to Earth through that space bridge. Recall that it was made unstable and had to have the ships get through it ASAP. It ultimately doesn't take them to Earth.Henry921 wrote:Fall of Cybertron is not going to be easy to reconcile at all with the Prime cartoon, given its very G1-ish conclusion when both the Ark and Nemesis travel through the Space Bridge towards Earth,
Starscream probably got back at some point off screen.Henry921 wrote:with Starscream completely unaccounted for and Grimlock possibly ahead of them following his apparent transport through the space bridge from Shockwave's duplicate tower; which has already been contradicted by Rage of the Dinobots, but I digress.
Which we aren't shown or told that they ever made it to.Henry921 wrote:The characters were all en route to Earth,
How exactly?Henry921 wrote:with damaged but still functional ships. Barring some event knocking them all into stasis lock, there should've been some remaining crew members to pilot the ships. I understand the ending is meant to be ambiguous, even a bit cliffhanger-y, but it doesn't reconcile with what we know from the backstories in Prime and Exodus.
Matt Tieger mentions having worked from the Binder in several interviews about BOTH games. They wouldn't have come up with the games' stories that they did had they not worked from the Binder.Henry921 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the developers at High Moon didn't get copies of the Binder of Revelation to work from, and while they clearly followed Hasbro mandates, Hasbro didn't have much involvement in the story besides approving its content.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_timelineHenry921 wrote:Thus I'd posit Fall of Cybertron as a continuation of War for Cybertron in a splinter timeline, creating a new micro-continuity. Relatively little is needed to reconcile War for Cybertron with Exodus, but a lot more work would be needed with its sequel.
We've got multiple universes and splinter timelines of said universes already: let's put 'em to use.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
The creation of the Aligned continuity predates WFC and Prime by a few years. The folks at Hasbro first started putting it together around 2007, when the first movie came out. The stories of both WFC and Prime were adapted from the Binder of Revelation, the core essence and backbone of the Aligned continuity.BeastProwl wrote:I think they should just make one 5-10 issue prequel comic to Prime to fit everything together. This is getting ridiculous. Why hasbro had to coin the aligned continuity right as Prime came out or before, is beyond my comprehension.
Did they make any WFC prequel comics that make more sense? Or was there just one?
Well, thanks for helping me understand...I think.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Megatron could have had him arrested and brought back to him just before the launch. Recall that neither ship launched until some decent amount of time after Grimlock knocked him out.Henry921 wrote:Starscream stranded on Cybertron: did he regain consciousness in time to reach escape velocity and follow the ships through the rapidly closing space bridge?
Already covered this but I'll repeat myself.Henry921 wrote:Grimlock sent through the space bridge: and apparently back on Cybertron in time for the Rage of the Dinobots comic.
Again, THEY DID NOT REACH EARTH THROUGH THAT SPACE BRIDGE!Henry921 wrote:The Ark and Nemesis intact: The Autobot ship was already damaged; maybe the Nemesis finished it upon arrival in the Sol System. Which brings us to:
Arrival in the Sol System: or we decided to wait for another few million years to invade the planet with raw energy we needed to revitalize our homeworld and hang out with the Star Seekers for a while instead. This latter point actively contradicts the Prime episode Out of the Past, where Shockwave and Starscream become aware of Earth from Prime's broadcast, despite Shockwave being the guy who selected the planet and built the space bridge to get there
You do realize that the game's designer intentionally put more Prime-based stuff into the FOC to make it fit more in line with Prime, right?Henry921 wrote:Hence my conclusion that instead of trying to explain these differences, we consider Fall of Cybertron and any subsequent sequels a splinter timeline. Hasbro may want it all to be connected in their glorious Aligned continuity, but the hiccups increase in number when trying to tie all the media together. Before Fall of Cybertron I had no problem accepting its predecessor as a prequel to the events of Prime, because the discrepancies were comparatively minor.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Megatron could have had him arrested and brought back to him just before the launch. Recall that neither ship launched until some decent amount of time after Grimlock knocked him out.Henry921 wrote:Starscream stranded on Cybertron: did he regain consciousness in time to reach escape velocity and follow the ships through the rapidly closing space bridge?Already covered this but I'll repeat myself.Henry921 wrote:Grimlock sent through the space bridge: and apparently back on Cybertron in time for the Rage of the Dinobots comic.
I never got the impression that he got sent through the space bridge. His fate was rather ambiguous to the nth degree, leaving plenty open room for him to still be on Cybertron after the game. He's running away, there's a blinding light, and then the scene cuts away. for all we know, he could have fallen off the platform he was on and plummeted far to the ground below, away from the space bridge's reach (though he'd be in for some serious repairs after a fall form that height).Again, THEY DID NOT REACH EARTH THROUGH THAT SPACE BRIDGE!Henry921 wrote:The Ark and Nemesis intact: The Autobot ship was already damaged; maybe the Nemesis finished it upon arrival in the Sol System. Which brings us to:
Arrival in the Sol System: or we decided to wait for another few million years to invade the planet with raw energy we needed to revitalize our homeworld and hang out with the Star Seekers for a while instead. This latter point actively contradicts the Prime episode Out of the Past, where Shockwave and Starscream become aware of Earth from Prime's broadcast, despite Shockwave being the guy who selected the planet and built the space bridge to get thereYou do realize that the game's designer intentionally put more Prime-based stuff into the FOC to make it fit more in line with Prime, right?Henry921 wrote:Hence my conclusion that instead of trying to explain these differences, we consider Fall of Cybertron and any subsequent sequels a splinter timeline. Hasbro may want it all to be connected in their glorious Aligned continuity, but the hiccups increase in number when trying to tie all the media together. Before Fall of Cybertron I had no problem accepting its predecessor as a prequel to the events of Prime, because the discrepancies were comparatively minor.
Some of the FOC interviews with Matt Tieger has him talking about when High Moon first came to Hasbro about doing a Transformers game (WFC) and that when they did, Tieger said that Hasbro was in the process of putting together "the bible" for Transformers that everything new would be drawing reference from, and that it was from this that the games were put together. This video is one such example, in which he even refers to it as a "binder".Henry921 wrote:Anyway, I wasn't aware the guys at High Moon had a Binder of Revelation. Which interview did they mention that in?
With Starscream, there's always the "You get one. More. Chance." write-in to keep his use in motion since, well, he's Starscream. It feels to me like the makers got so caught up in the "DUDEGRIMLOCKSPACETREXGAMEPLAYZOMG!" that comes after Screamer gets knocked out that they simply forgot about Starscream.Henry921 wrote:Moving on to points of contention: the ambiguity of Starscream's fate is a pretty big offender, especially if we need to go through the trouble of coming up with the explanation ourselves. Even if sufficient time had passed for the Decepticons to recover and re-arrest Starscream before they left, why would they bother? Megatron had already dismissed him as "not worth the time", and even if they had gone back to get him, both Megatron and Onslaught would've been inclined to execute him instead of imprison him, as Megatron was already shown attempting in game.
Yet, all future plans for the character after the game have still stuck on Cybertron.Henry921 wrote:When Grimlock flees the exploding station, we fade to white as everything blows up, and then cut to something being transported through the space bridge itself. What significance does this serve, if it's just debris or one of the fleeing Decepticon generics? I agree it's ambiguous, but it seems like a back door to send Grimlock to Earth with the others.
Now that is a continuity error that's the fault of different writers having different creative visions.Henry921 wrote:As for the space bridge not arriving on Earth immediately as a result of space bridge instability, well... okay, it's not like fiction about space bridges is ever completely consistent, but why would both Optimus and Shockwave not be aware of Earth and its supply of natural energon in the Prime cartoon when Shockwave specifically targets Earth as his destination in FOC?
Well, the Ark didn't have to go that far when it reached its first destination.Henry921 wrote:And if the Bots and Cons ended up in some other sector of space, how did they have sufficient energy to go on whatever other adventures they had in mind when both factions were essentially running on empty by the end of FOC? There's a lot that needs to be filled in.
Simply put, it's because Hasbro's got a different definition of "continuity" than the fans do. But, this timeline shows how things fit in the grand scheme of things.Henry921 wrote:I accept that maybe there's a reasonable explanation for my doubts, but thus far, I don't feel the cartoon or the novels have provided one. It requires too much explanation from the fans to fill in, rather than the creators, hence my personal canon regarding it as a splinter timeline.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:5. The bit of Airachnid saying, "but I recently picked up some Decepticon radio chatter regarding the passing of Cliffjumper," was cut.
Sabrblade wrote:6. Airachnid's line to Arcee of "But don't get me wrong, I fully intend to snuff out your spark, and believe me, I will make it hurt," was reworked to remove the "snuff out your spark" part. What they did was first cut off the scene right before she would have said, "and believe me..." and then inserted the audio of her saying "make it hurt" over the video of when she says "snuff out your spark". Thus, the new line became "But don't get me wrong, I fully intend to make it hurt."
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:5. The bit of Airachnid saying, "but I recently picked up some Decepticon radio chatter regarding the passing of Cliffjumper," was cut.
...why? There's edits I can understand, then there's ones that are just unnecessary.Sabrblade wrote:6. Airachnid's line to Arcee of "But don't get me wrong, I fully intend to snuff out your spark, and believe me, I will make it hurt," was reworked to remove the "snuff out your spark" part. What they did was first cut off the scene right before she would have said, "and believe me..." and then inserted the audio of her saying "make it hurt" over the video of when she says "snuff out your spark". Thus, the new line became "But don't get me wrong, I fully intend to make it hurt."
I ask again, why?! That made it worse!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Autobot032 wrote:The phrase passing speaks of death, which they try to avoid in kids shows, at least ones shown by Saban.
Autobot032 wrote:Might seem pointless to us, but to the censors, this might be a big deal. Sucks, but what can you do?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Shadowman, this is The CW, a broadcast network, not a cable network. Broadcast networks are far more strict in their BSnP for children's programming than cable networks. Always have been.
Unless it were to air during a primetime timeslot among adult TV shows, I can almost guarantee that a show like Legend of Korra would be butchered to death if it aired in children's programming block on a network like The CW, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or Fox.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Yes, that is why Prime is being edited, along with Justice League Unlimited and Dragon Ball Z Kai.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Shadowman, this is The CW, a broadcast network, not a cable network. Broadcast networks are far more strict in their BSnP for children's programming than cable networks. Always have been.
Unless it were to air during a primetime timeslot among adult TV shows, I can almost guarantee that a show like Legend of Korra would be butchered to death if it aired in children's programming block on a network like The CW, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or Fox.
Aw, yeah, hadn't considered that.
Well, back to blaming S&P then.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Yes, that is why Prime is being edited, along with Justice League Unlimited and Dragon Ball Z Kai.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Shadowman, this is The CW, a broadcast network, not a cable network. Broadcast networks are far more strict in their BSnP for children's programming than cable networks. Always have been.
Unless it were to air during a primetime timeslot among adult TV shows, I can almost guarantee that a show like Legend of Korra would be butchered to death if it aired in children's programming block on a network like The CW, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or Fox.
Aw, yeah, hadn't considered that.
Well, back to blaming S&P then.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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