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[Sabrblade]

Predacons as ancient Mythos will be fun, but this is a cousin concept to the ancient buildings in the Bayverse and is nowhere NEAR original, so as much as I like it anyway,no applause from me,

Um, say what?

Megz: Thrown into a power core and still good? Get stuffed.

No, not "still good". He could barely move after that. Sure, he was still alive, but you really expected them to kill him off in such a pathetic manner? He's not so weak as to go out with a whimper.

Wheeljack: Got a problem with Ultra Magnus now? Gonna be the new Emo Arcee/Starscream sop story with a scarred past? I expect this character clash to blow up at a very inopportune moment for the Autobots, but if it results in a counterattack on UMags character by W/Jack the writers are hacks. Umag is a soldier, character has no role during office hours. Bottom line is military is military- you either can take it or just talk like you can but actually run (away) alone. Loss of respect from me for Wheeljack till I see this dissent sorted out with U/Mag.

What is... I don't even... What are you saying?

Predaking: No known weakness. Boring.

You call getting a concussion from being hit hard on the head not a weakness?

Nice freeze trick by Ratchet and U/Mags combat plan.

And now you just contradicted yourself by acknowledging his being frozen as a weakness.

Shockwave: An early trailer had Shockwave sending a msg to Megz about [distorted] breaking loose and wrecking the lab. At the time I assumed it was "Predacons", distorted only for the trailer to make us assume it was "Dinobots". Now, I am almost confident it is "Predacons" and anticipate a 3-way (maybe 4 way if A/Chnid is woken up) BUT: what are the survival chances of a rogue Predacon brood if they are all microchipped by Shockwave again before they bust out?

That message was for the "Hunt the Beasts" interactive game on Hasbro's website that let's you explore Shockwave's lab. It was to promote the toyline. It was never said to have anything to do with the cartoon.

[G1 Smoketreader]

Predacons as ancient Mythos will be fun, but this is a cousin concept to the ancient buildings in the Bayverse and is nowhere NEAR original, so as much as I like it anyway,no applause from me,

Um, say what?

>>>>>Sayin it's an obvious next step after the ancient buildings with Cybertronian markings on them in the Bayverse and therefore neither original nor overly surprising.

Megz: Thrown into a power core and still good? Get stuffed.

No, not "still good". He could barely move after that. Sure, he was still alive, but you really expected them to kill him off in such a pathetic manner? He's not so weak as to go out with a whimper.

>>>>> Megz damage should look as nasty as the damage to Prime after the base collapsed, considering it's damage inflicted by Primes' comeback from near death.

Wheeljack: Got a problem with Ultra Magnus now? Gonna be the new Emo Arcee/Starscream sop story with a scarred past? I expect this character clash to blow up at a very inopportune moment for the Autobots, but if it results in a counterattack on UMags character by W/Jack the writers are hacks. Umag is a soldier, character has no role during office hours. Bottom line is military is military- you either can take it or just talk like you can but actually run (away) alone. Loss of respect from me for Wheeljack till I see this dissent sorted out with U/Mag.

What is... I don't even... What are you saying?

>>>>>Wheeljack is not emotionally attached to Bulkhead (Bulkhead is the one who is happy to see WJack). As such, W#heeljack is not a team player. If he attacks UMag (verbally) for being overbearing it better not have to do with 'a battle where many Wreckers died because Ultra Magnus used them wrongly and Wheeljack is sad about it and still hurting', because Wheeljack doesn't care about Wreckers, only about autonomy. If he was a true Wrecker he would rally around U/Mag- that is the other half of the Wreckers lifestyle, autonomy being the first half.

Predaking: No known weakness. Boring.

You call getting a concussion from being hit hard on the head not a weakness?

>>>>>"No Known weaknesses" is from the very end of Megz original Tech Spec. "Crush enemies, stomp them underfoot" (the line from the very end of the last episode) is Grimlocks' original Tech Spec quote. Concussion is a racial limitation. A hole in the armor is the weakness I'm talking about. I had G1 tech specs on the brain after hearing the Grimlock quote, so my bad.

Nice freeze trick by Ratchet and U/Mags combat plan.

And now you just contradicted yourself by acknowledging his being frozen as a weakness.
>>>>>>That's a racial limitation, not a confirmation that somebody has a weaponn that can put a hole in him.

Shockwave: An early trailer had Shockwave sending a msg to Megz about [distorted] breaking loose and wrecking the lab. At the time I assumed it was "Predacons", distorted only for the trailer to make us assume it was "Dinobots". Now, I am almost confident it is "Predacons" and anticipate a 3-way (maybe 4 way if A/Chnid is woken up) BUT: what are the survival chances of a rogue Predacon brood if they are all microchipped by Shockwave again before they bust out?

That message was for the "Hunt the Beasts" interactive game on Hasbro's website that let's you explore Shockwave's lab. It was to promote the toyline. It was never said to have anything to do with the cartoon.

>>>>>Ah. My mistake.

[F Prime]

"Crush enemies, stomp them underfoot" (the line from the very end of the last episode) is Grimlocks' original Tech Spec quote.

Wasn't Grimlock's original quote "Among the winners, there is no room for the weak"?

[G1 Smoketreader]

"Crush enemies, stomp them underfoot" (the line from the very end of the last episode) is Grimlocks' original Tech Spec quote.

Wasn't Grimlock's original quote "Among the winners, there is no room for the weak"?

*LOL* the one above is from Arnies' Conan the Barbarian,then...forget I said anything. Sorry folks.

[Sabrblade]

>>>>>Sayin it's an obvious next step after the ancient buildings with Cybertronian markings on them in the Bayverse and therefore neither original nor overly surprising.

Those "ancient" guys from the movies were the Original Primes, which are also in this series and have little to do with the Predacons being Cybertronian dinosaurs.

>>>>> Megz damage should look as nasty as the damage to Prime after the base collapsed, considering it's damage inflicted by Primes' comeback from near death.

All he did was get zapped. Maybe some burn marks would have worked, but considering how the episode was almost over, twould have been a waste of CGI resources for just a few seconds of screentime.

>>>>>Wheeljack is not emotionally attached to Bulkhead (Bulkhead is the one who is happy to see WJack). As such, W#heeljack is not a team player. If he attacks UMag (verbally) for being overbearing it better not have to do with 'a battle where many Wreckers died because Ultra Magnus used them wrongly and Wheeljack is sad about it and still hurting', because Wheeljack doesn't care about Wreckers, only about autonomy. If he was a true Wrecker he would rally around U/Mag- that is the other half of the Wreckers lifestyle, autonomy being the first half.

Wheeljack doesn't like Ultra Magnus because Ultra Magnus is a by-the-book stiff. Wheeljack likes doing things his own way, the Wreckers way, whereas Ultra Magnus was put in charge of the Wrecker to keep a tight leash on them in the past, which no doubt bothered Wheeljack and explains why Jackie dislikes being babysat by Magnus.

>>>>>"No Known weaknesses" is from the very end of Megz original Tech Spec. "Crush enemies, stomp them underfoot" (the line from the very end of the last episode) is Grimlocks' original Tech Spec quote. Concussion is a racial limitation. A hole in the armor is the weakness I'm talking about. I had G1 tech specs on the brain after hearing the Grimlock quote, so my bad.

>>>>>>That's a racial limitation, not a confirmation that somebody has a weaponn that can put a hole in him.

What does race have to do with anything?

Predaking may be very powerful, but he's still mortal.

[F Prime]

"Crush enemies, stomp them underfoot" (the line from the very end of the last episode) is Grimlocks' original Tech Spec quote.

Wasn't Grimlock's original quote "Among the winners, there is no room for the weak"?

*LOL* the one above is from Arnies' Conan the Barbarian,then...forget I said anything. Sorry folks.

If you are going to confuse a quote from Grimlock with anyone I would say Conan is a fine choice. Now I want to hear Gregg Berger say "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."

[G1 Smoketreader]

>>>>>Sayin it's an obvious next step after the ancient buildings with Cybertronian markings on them in the Bayverse and therefore neither original nor overly surprising.

Those "ancient" guys from the movies were the Original Primes, which are also in this series and have little to do with the Predacons being Cybertronian dinosaurs.

Remeber the photos of the ancient buildings that the sector 7 guy shows to Sam with the Cybertronian words on them, and the big sun harvester that the Pyramid was built around?

>>>>> Megz damage should look as nasty as the damage to Prime after the base collapsed, considering it's damage inflicted by Primes' comeback from near death.

All he did was get zapped. Maybe some burn marks would have worked, but considering how the episode was almost over, twould have been a waste of CGI resources for just a few seconds of screentime.

I know, but I don't care. I expect equal damage visibility from Megz and OP when they fight inflict it to each other.

>>>>>Wheeljack is not emotionally attached to Bulkhead (Bulkhead is the one who is happy to see WJack). As such, W#heeljack is not a team player. If he attacks UMag (verbally) for being overbearing it better not have to do with 'a battle where many Wreckers died because Ultra Magnus used them wrongly and Wheeljack is sad about it and still hurting', because Wheeljack doesn't care about Wreckers, only about autonomy. If he was a true Wrecker he would rally around U/Mag- that is the other half of the Wreckers lifestyle, autonomy being the first half.

Wheeljack doesn't like Ultra Magnus because Ultra Magnus is a by-the-book stiff. Wheeljack likes doing things his own way, the Wreckers way, whereas Ultra Magnus was put in charge of the Wrecker to keep a tight leash on them in the past, which no doubt bothered Wheeljack and explains why Jackie dislikes being babysat by Magnus.

I agree. But they just better not twist this into a flashback where Wheeljacks individuality is 'right' and Ultra Magnus' responsiblity is 'wrong'.

>>>>>"No Known weaknesses" is from the very end of Megz original Tech Spec. "Crush enemies, stomp them underfoot" (the line from the very end of the last episode) is Grimlocks' original Tech Spec quotea line from Conan the Barbarian. Concussion is a racial limitation. A hole in the armor is the weakness I'm talking about. I had G1 tech specs on the brain after hearing the Grimlock quote, so my bad.

>>>>>>That's a racial limitation, not a confirmation that somebody has a weaponn that can put a hole in him.

What does race have to do with anything?

Predaking may be very powerful, but he's still mortal.

I know and it would be interesting (but un-necessary after the relic hunt last season) to have ancient artefacts from world myth resurface in the plot as a second round of human discovered Iacon relics used to take down the original Earthbound Predacons...

and race has to with only being able to survive within a certain border of extremes. Sub arctic conditions are one such racial limit for TFs and Humans alike. What a Predacon can and can't handle against modern Cybertronian weapons is what I want to know.

[Red 50]

Yeah, it might be a little late to post this but:
Anyone saw the Wheeljack-lobbing-accident as a reference to the Animated?

In the TFA episode "Rise of the Constructicons" Bulkhead plays frisbee with the constructicons only to nearly kill Sari when one of them accidentally misses, which causes it to nearly decapitate her. In the recent episode (Project Predacon) Wheeljack attempts to play lobbing with Bulkhead, but the latter misses the shot, causing the ball to nearly crush Miko.

Ding-ding?

[G1 Smoketreader]

The quote is from Sludge:

"Stomp your enemy, crush them under your feet".
Knew it was a Dinobot quote, just not Grimlocks'.

[F Prime]

The quote is from Sludge:

"Stomp your enemy, crush them under your feet".
Knew it was a Dinobot quote, just not Grimlocks'.

Ah, yes. I thought I recognized it, too, but I didn't bother looking it up.

[Shadowman]

this is still a selfishly written show

What does that even mean?

Time will show how inferior this series is, you mark my words.

Yeah yeah yeah, trukk not munkey, we get it.

Megz: Thrown into a power core and still good? Get stuffed.

Right, because anyone who knows anything about power cores knows that they're immediately lethal.

Smokescreen: complaining now about not being a Prime. Writers: kiss my butt. What? says Ratchet - I gotta stop acting like a Rookie, says smoke. Well done, you figured it out for yourself: You are worthy of being a surviving former G1 Autobot soldier. I'm very proud of you,again, my old toy.

...what?

Wheeljack: Got a problem with Ultra Magnus now? Gonna be the new Emo Arcee/Starscream sop story with a scarred past?

His previously established disdain for authority doesn't automatically imply a tragic past. It certainly didn't with Starscream.

[Sabrblade]

Speaking of Wheeljack throwing the Lobbing ball and nearly hitting Miko with it, right before it misses her and gets lodged in the door, we see this:

[G1 Smoketreader]

this is still a selfishly written show

What does that even mean?

>>>>>Not for the first or last time that you will say you don't get it,even if you do- it means the writers are using a simple story with basic archetypes and acting like it's a fancy story with fancy archetypes. They not only changed established characters and their cgi mannequins needlessly-wasting LOTS of money that could be saved in the process and consequently diminishing the potential cast and core toy line- to suit their textbook plot sequencing,they also dragged out a story about stalemates into a long grind about stalemates that got episodes cut this season because Everyone else finally worked out that it could have been told cheaper and more succinctly. In the professional world they are charlatans and schemers.

Time will show how inferior this series is, you mark my words.

Yeah yeah yeah, trukk not munkey, we get it.
>>>>>No. Continuity and family, not sabotaged opportunism for the sake of keeping a chair and a paycheck. I'm not convinced you do get it.

Megz: Thrown into a power core and still good? Get stuffed.

Right, because anyone who knows anything about power cores knows that they're immediately lethal.

>>>>>One core that powers 4 city vaping guns could visibly frazzle a decep leader during the ta-daa return of OP if they want it to.

Smokescreen: complaining now about not being a Prime. Writers: kiss my butt. What? says Ratchet - I gotta stop acting like a Rookie, says smoke. Well done, you figured it out for yourself: You are worthy of being a surviving former G1 Autobot soldier. I'm very proud of you,again, my old toy.

...what?

>>>>>If you didn't get it when it happened in the show, you should look at it again. To me it was one of the best moments and messages in any TF show ever.
Smokescreens' double take on his self interpretation accidentally made him realize something about growing up and that rank is achieved internally first: Instead of feeling he was still being treated like a rookie, he realized he was far beyond the position of still acting like one.
This is as valuable a concept for me to see coming from a TF show as his original Function (Diversionary Tactician) when I was little. That shaped my outlook a lot then. This latest gem supports something I tell rookies I work with now, which I can't deny is influenced by my old Sscreen toy to begin with. Therefore, I am extremely proud to see it coming from Smokescreen who, as I have said many times, I am very disappointed to not be providing the example of 'most trusted, yet most devious of all Autobots' and 'Diversionary Tactica' to more TF fans since I consider the whole bag to be of massive developmental value to a young persons' mind and pack/gang/family role.

Wheeljack: Got a problem with Ultra Magnus now? Gonna be the new Emo Arcee/Starscream sop story with a scarred past?

His previously established disdain for authority doesn't automatically imply a tragic past. It certainly didn't with Starscream.

>>>>> I would say Starscream is the most mentally scarred and emotionally damaged out of every character in the show, and unhealable to boot.I disagree that Starscream has not been established to have had a tragic past.His version of tragedy is our version of comedy or some other such evaluation,but that doesn't matter: He is someone who cannot know inner peace unless it is granted to him by his greatest phantom.

[Shadowman]

They not only changed established characters and their cgi mannequins needlessly-wasting LOTS of money that could be saved in the process and consequently diminishing the potential cast and core toy line-

Exactly one character was changed: Optimus. Smokescreen and Bumblebee only had recoloring, and in the world of CGI that is hilariously easy to do. And despite "wasting LOTS of money," their cast still expanded, bringing in Ultra Magnus and Predaking, with more certainly on the way.

to suit their textbook plot sequencing,they also dragged out a story about stalemates into a long grind about stalemates that got episodes cut this season because Everyone else finally worked out that it could have been told cheaper and more succinctly. In the professional world they are charlatans and schemers.

Now you're the one who doesn't get it. You really think the previous seasons were so long because that's what the writers wanted? It's because that's the number of episodes that was ordered!

No. Continuity and family, not sabotaged opportunism for the sake of keeping a chair and a paycheck. I'm not convinced you do get it.

You're right, but it's not because of my lack of comprehension, your sentence structuring makes no sense at all and terribly lacking in context.

One core that powers 4 city vaping guns could visibly frazzle a decep leader during the ta-daa return of OP if they want it to.

Oh, and where did you get your degree in alien technology?

Smokescreen: complaining now about not being a Prime. Writers: kiss my butt. What? says Ratchet - I gotta stop acting like a Rookie, says smoke. Well done, you figured it out for yourself: You are worthy of being a surviving former G1 Autobot soldier. I'm very proud of you,again, my old toy.

...what?

>>>>>If you didn't get it when it happened in the show, you should look at it again.

I didn't get it because that paragraph made no sense at all.

[Superwheeljack]

What happened on tonight's episode?

[SlyTF1]

Well, Miko was more badass than I had anticipated... other than that, meh. I also liked how Wheeljack air assassinated that one Decepticon.

[Henry921]

Well, Miko was more badass than I had anticipated... other than that, meh. I also liked how Wheeljack air assassinated that one Decepticon.

Miko proved her chops back with that Hardshell incident.

I'm glad she's actually pulling her weight, but God, can we draw a line under this and keep the humans out of the firefights from now on?

[SlyTF1]

Well, Miko was more badass than I had anticipated... other than that, meh. I also liked how Wheeljack air assassinated that one Decepticon.

Miko proved her chops back with that Hardshell incident.

I'm glad she's actually pulling her weight, but God, can we draw a line under this and keep the humans out of the firefights from now on?

All she did against Hardshell was press a button. Anyone could have done that.

[Sabrblade]

Episode 58 -

Huh, no "Previously on" segment. i was expecting one since this takes place at the same time as the last one.

WAHOOO! Predaking bust free of his ice prison all by himself! YAAAAAAAAAAY!!!

Magnus called his fellow Autobots "Beast Hunters".

Well, there's something Vortexx is likely to remove (Jackie beheading a Vehicon).

HAMMER TIME!

So that's how Miko sneaks along this time.

Ha! Screamer's using the Apex Armor to boss Predaking around.

So much for that plan.

Okay, so Bulkhead says that the Wreckers weren't originally led by Ultra Magnus, which is when Bulkhead was a member. After Bulkhead transferred out to join up with Optimus in the Battle of Thunderhead Pass, Magnus took command of the Wreckers and Wheeljack eventually deserted because of their new leader. Can't they make up their mind already about if they do or don't want to stick to what the books have said? It's like every time they contradict the books, they eventually try to work back to reconcile with them, only swing the other way with another contradiction in the process.

Magnus gave Miko a mission that is helpful for the Autobots, makes Miko useful, puts her away from the danger, and one that she's genuinely willing to do. Kudos.

So that's what the armor's removal process looks like.

Uh oh, Screamer's found Miko.

Whoa! Predaking's having a memory flashback about another Pred. That bone he's found has got him feeling uneasy.

SUIT ON!

Good thing she's got the armor on. Predaking crushing her would have likely killed her otherwise.

And now he's chewing on her and flailing her around like a ragdoll.

And he's barbecuing her. Sheesh! That's some serious punishment.

So, even if Starscream and the Jet Vehicon Generals fail to defeat the Autobots in this one, Predaking still recovered the bone and flew away with it. Thus, that's still a win for the bad guys.

Starscream: "Tsk tsk tsk tsk, even the strongest armor can't protect the weakest of creatures. Aagh!"
Miko: "Protected you, didn't it?" - Oh SNAP!

OH SLAG SHE CAUGHT THE MISSILE! SHE IS MAAAAAD!

Starscream: "You do know that I vanquished Cliffjumper, don't you?" - Screamer, enough already!
Miko: "Big whoop... I snuff Hardshell!" - LIKE A BOSS!!!

And there he goes. Jackie must ride alone.

That was AWESOME! Miko earned her bonus points of epic in this one. Yeah yeah, "she only did it cuz she had the all powerful armor," BITE ME! She proved that, if you give her a weapon she can use and use well, she's more than capable of following through on making the most out of it that she can. This has been a long time coming for her, having wanted to have her moment to kick some serious butt since day one. And she royally delivered the hurt with no holds back. Give the armor to Jack and he might have hesitated at times. Miko's Gung Ho nature is just what was needed for the brute force of Wrecker Style. She was a BEAST in this one!
And what's more, the Cons still got away with the bone... unless Predaking didn't return to the Nemesis, since we last saw him flying away, and that flashback of his looks like it could have affected him. Maybe here is when he decides to strike out on his own? We'll have to wait and see.

Also, Starscream was hilarious in this one!

Next week, looks like Arcee, Fowler, and June fight Knock Out and some Insecticons over the next bone.

[Shadowman]

Starscream: "You know I killed Cliffjumper...?"
Miko: "Big whoop. I snuffed Hardshell." *Kicks Starscream's ass.*

Aaaand Miko just became my favorite character.

[Noideaforaname]

I like how they subverted the "new toy effortlessly beats the **** out of everything so you run out and buy it" thing, with Miko's first action in the Apex Armor being getting stomped by Predaking. And then chewed and burned and all-around thrashed.

... But then they did do the "new toy effortlessly beats the **** out of everything so you run out and buy it" thing right after. *sigh*

[Sabrblade]

I like how they subverted the "new toy effortlessly beats the **** out of everything so you run out and buy it" thing, with Miko's first action in the Apex Armor being getting stomped by Predaking. And then chewed and burned and all-around thrashed.

... But then they did do the "new toy effortlessly beats the **** out of everything so you run out and buy it" thing right after. *sigh*

Not when the Apex Armor has no toy.

No, the "Apex Hunter Armor" doesn't count. It looks nothing like the show's armor, has a different enough name, and a completely different function than the show's armor. The Apex Armor as seen on TV is not available to buy, so they just advertised a show-only product.

[njb902]

Wheeljack is a deserter, what scum. You don't run out on your brothers and sisters, especially for his weak ass reason. Oh no I don't agree with my co hell he might as well be a con, I hope the frigging Predacon eats him.

[SlyTF1]

One thing that really pisses me off about this show; what's with all the damn relic hunts!? It's like the writers of the show can't think of any reason to make a TF story other than having them running around the damn world looking for s***. Season 1 had them, Season 2 had them, and now the entirety of Season 3 revolves around a stupid relic hunt. Have the TFs fight for something a little more important than a few artifacts that will all just end up playing an advantage in the Autobot's favor.

I hope that very soon in Season 3, we see the stupid ass relic hunts end and the real war begin. WITH the predacons as well. After all, the show is called Transformers Prime. Not Transformers Relic Hunts. Well, Beast Hunters... but still.

[Sabrblade]

I hope that very soon in Season 3, we see the stupid ass relic hunts end and the real war begin.

The real war's been over for thousands of years for these guys, bud.