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"Recipe for Disaster!"F Prime wrote:I was not aware that the G1 Marvelrun mentioned TFs being genderless. Do you know (roughly) where that occurs?Sabrblade wrote:And the Marvel G1 TFs.Dead Metal wrote:Nope, she's female, the only incarnation of TFs that originally are genderless are the idw G1 TFs, with Arcee being the first Tf with a gender because Jhiaxus decided to introduce genders into his species.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:"Recipe for Disaster!"F Prime wrote:I was not aware that the G1 Marvelrun mentioned TFs being genderless. Do you know (roughly) where that occurs?Sabrblade wrote:And the Marvel G1 TFs.Dead Metal wrote:Nope, she's female, the only incarnation of TFs that originally are genderless are the idw G1 TFs, with Arcee being the first Tf with a gender because Jhiaxus decided to introduce genders into his species.
Well, when once asked about it in an interview, Bob Budiansky gave this response:kaijuguy19 wrote:I never liked the idea of Cybertronians being genderless to be honest. I mean they're not just machines they're bilogical alien life forms which is further explained in the show in the Opertation Bumblebee arc. I can buy the whole genderless gig if it was in the Quintesson origin but with the other universes I can't. And it doens't help that I'm FAR from being a fan about how females were handled in IDW.
I mean for the love of mike guys like Optimus,Bee and others all act like most males do in our planet yet for some reason people can accept that but not females? I get why people want an explanation but if you think about it does it really need to? Can't we just accept that Cybertronians have some form of reproduction for the genders to be there for a reason? And no I'm not promoting fan fic ideas of how it can work.
One of the things I liked a lot about the Marvel series, it focused a lot on the fact that these characters were, though living, they were actually ROBOTS and there were reasons for their existence and how they came about. This is the ONE part of the Transformers continuity where they don't have (not without a good explanation) "female" Transformers. What are your thoughts on female Transformers and do you think there's room to explore that dichotomy in the Transformers mythology?
BOB: Well, I remember bringing up that question early on with Hasbro, "are any of these female?" And then I think Hasbro's attitude was, 'this is a boy toy. We don't wanna have, you know, girl robots.' So, I said, "OK, just want to clarify that." Then of course, I think it was in 1986 they came out with the movie, and they had the token female character. Don't ask me to explain it. (laughs) I don't understand it. I think what I came up with was Creation Matrix, however that worked out explaining their existence, their 'livingness' was asexual. There was no female, there was no male, there was no need for them having different sexes. So, I just left it at that and what other people have done beyond that, I don't know. I was just… you know, like I said, I early on brought this question up and I was given a certain direction by the Hasbro executives I was dealing with and I went with it. It's their toy, so if that's what they want, that's fine with me. Now, if somebody wants to change their mind and says, 'oh yeah, there should be a whole other bunch of female Transformers,' then again, it's not my toy, they can do that.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:"Recipe for Disaster!"F Prime wrote:I was not aware that the G1 Marvelrun mentioned TFs being genderless. Do you know (roughly) where that occurs?Sabrblade wrote:And the Marvel G1 TFs.Dead Metal wrote:Nope, she's female, the only incarnation of TFs that originally are genderless are the idw G1 TFs, with Arcee being the first Tf with a gender because Jhiaxus decided to introduce genders into his species.
Sabrblade wrote:And the Marvel G1 TFs.Dead Metal wrote:Nope, she's female, the only incarnation of TFs that originally are genderless are the idw G1 TFs, with Arcee being the first Tf with a gender because Jhiaxus decided to introduce genders into his species.
And the Dreamwave G1 TFs, by way of "The Ultimate Guide" book and Dreamwave's own going under before they could introduce more "female" TFs.
Glad to see you back on the boards.Dead Metal wrote:Fells kinda good, being posting again.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:On the Dreamwave one though, not really buying it for a couple of reasons:
- Sunstreaker being gay, he could not be gay if there was no sexuality in the first place, and for sexuality you need genders
Dead Metal wrote:On the Dreamwave one though, not really buying it for a couple of reasons:
- Sunstreaker being gay, he could not be gay if there was no sexuality in the first place, and for sexuality you need genders
Yeah, the book was written heavily with the Dreamwave comics in mind, playing favorites with both it and the Marvel comics over the cartoon. But what it does say that conflicts with the cartoons still meshes decently enough with the Dreamwave comics, thanks to them being a separate continuity and all.Dead Metal wrote:But we'll never really know for sure, so I'll give you that as well.
- The Ultimate Guide is well, not exactly a very accurate source of information, even making stuff up for the DW comics that simply never existed in the comics due to still being relatively young
- It gets the information on other TF incarnations wrong
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Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
G1 Smoketreader wrote:My suggestion: leave the ripoffs of other movies to another spinoff series deliberately advertised to be ripping off other movies in a 'what if' way or a 'short stories' way or whatever.
It would work, I promise (because this episode did), and I personally would enjoy it because it would suit your particular writing style so it would let me enjoy THAT, (but knowing you, you would rewrite it all into a spinoff that actually doesn't copy any movies at all and is COMPLETELY ORIGINAL, because, yeah, well, Prime Seasons 1 and 2 and 3, which had to rewrite a whole continuity just to make 16 last episodes line up straight, incompetence which I will rub in your faces forever).
F Prime wrote:G1 Smoketreader wrote:My suggestion: leave the ripoffs of other movies to another spinoff series deliberately advertised to be ripping off other movies in a 'what if' way or a 'short stories' way or whatever.
It would work, I promise (because this episode did), and I personally would enjoy it because it would suit your particular writing style so it would let me enjoy THAT, (but knowing you, you would rewrite it all into a spinoff that actually doesn't copy any movies at all and is COMPLETELY ORIGINAL, because, yeah, well, Prime Seasons 1 and 2 and 3, which had to rewrite a whole continuity just to make 16 last episodes line up straight, incompetence which I will rub in your faces forever).
I'm a little confused...it sounds like you are complaining that they are ripping off movies but then suggesting they rip off movies only to complain that they *wouldn't* rip off movies? (I am assuming I am misreading your post, but was curious what you meant here.)
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
If he went nuts over this episode's film references, then his head might explode should he ever see "The Alien Invasion of Griffin Rock".Shadowman wrote:F Prime wrote:G1 Smoketreader wrote:My suggestion: leave the ripoffs of other movies to another spinoff series deliberately advertised to be ripping off other movies in a 'what if' way or a 'short stories' way or whatever.
It would work, I promise (because this episode did), and I personally would enjoy it because it would suit your particular writing style so it would let me enjoy THAT, (but knowing you, you would rewrite it all into a spinoff that actually doesn't copy any movies at all and is COMPLETELY ORIGINAL, because, yeah, well, Prime Seasons 1 and 2 and 3, which had to rewrite a whole continuity just to make 16 last episodes line up straight, incompetence which I will rub in your faces forever).
I'm a little confused...it sounds like you are complaining that they are ripping off movies but then suggesting they rip off movies only to complain that they *wouldn't* rip off movies? (I am assuming I am misreading your post, but was curious what you meant here.)
If you're misreading his post, then I am too. It's Smoketreader, though, and it only really makes sense to him.
And Smokey, the term is "homage" not "ripoff."
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:If he went nuts over this episode's film references, then his head might explode should he ever see "The Alien Invasion of Griffin Rock".Shadowman wrote:F Prime wrote:G1 Smoketreader wrote:My suggestion: leave the ripoffs of other movies to another spinoff series deliberately advertised to be ripping off other movies in a 'what if' way or a 'short stories' way or whatever.
It would work, I promise (because this episode did), and I personally would enjoy it because it would suit your particular writing style so it would let me enjoy THAT, (but knowing you, you would rewrite it all into a spinoff that actually doesn't copy any movies at all and is COMPLETELY ORIGINAL, because, yeah, well, Prime Seasons 1 and 2 and 3, which had to rewrite a whole continuity just to make 16 last episodes line up straight, incompetence which I will rub in your faces forever).
I'm a little confused...it sounds like you are complaining that they are ripping off movies but then suggesting they rip off movies only to complain that they *wouldn't* rip off movies? (I am assuming I am misreading your post, but was curious what you meant here.)
If you're misreading his post, then I am too. It's Smoketreader, though, and it only really makes sense to him.
And Smokey, the term is "homage" not "ripoff."
G1 Smoketreader wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If he went nuts over this episode's film references, then his head might explode should he ever see "The Alien Invasion of Griffin Rock".Shadowman wrote:F Prime wrote:G1 Smoketreader wrote:My suggestion: leave the ripoffs of other movies to another spinoff series deliberately advertised to be ripping off other movies in a 'what if' way or a 'short stories' way or whatever.
It would work, I promise (because this episode did), and I personally would enjoy it because it would suit your particular writing style so it would let me enjoy THAT, (but knowing you, you would rewrite it all into a spinoff that actually doesn't copy any movies at all and is COMPLETELY ORIGINAL, because, yeah, well, Prime Seasons 1 and 2 and 3, which had to rewrite a whole continuity just to make 16 last episodes line up straight, incompetence which I will rub in your faces forever).
I'm a little confused...it sounds like you are complaining that they are ripping off movies but then suggesting they rip off movies only to complain that they *wouldn't* rip off movies? (I am assuming I am misreading your post, but was curious what you meant here.)
If you're misreading his post, then I am too. It's Smoketreader, though, and it only really makes sense to him.
And Smokey, the term is "homage" not "ripoff."
You're reading it right: I'm saying they have brought me to the expectation that they will botch whatever they do, no matter what faith I put in them:
Even if they were to set out to just do a 'meaningless' series that is about blatantly and deliberately copying/homaging/ripping off other pop culture in a string of unconnected short stories, (or even unconnected short stories in even more unconnected 'what if' settings without even aligned timelines and universes to hinder progress), they are still highly likely to FAIL even at that, and instead, actually write an amazing, groundbreaking saga of linked episodes that is utterly original and copies NOTHING, from Homers' works to today, simply because they set out to do the opposite.
...and for the record, nothing in the last episode made me go nuts (in a bad way- I loved [and went nuts over] A/chnids return, seeing Cylas again, seeing Soundwave handle the bullrush coming at him etc in all the good ways).
How I treat the writers is not some kind of desire by me to always bash the show (check: I compliment generously, WHEN I have a compliment). I just think they have proven how much they suck.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Va'al wrote:Because reasons.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:
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So let me get this straight, you enjoy a really good episode of a pretty damn good show, but because it's an episode about vampires, a concept mostly found in the horror genre, and thus it plays with tropes found in that genre and does a few homages you scrutinize them for it?
This episode wasn't just "pointless ripping off" this episode ended plot threads and opened up new ones, so what it had tropes and homages from and to the Horror genre, it all worked perfectly together and made sense.
Also you keep bring up "original ideas" and "not copying from", have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Everything borrows from something else, be it on purpose or by accident, even the greats that are constantly imitated and hommaged borrow from work that came before them.
Guess what the following have in common:
Conan, Star Wars, Superman, Avatar (both the Cameron movie and the awesome cartoon), Star Trek.
They're all basically "ripoffs", to put it in your words, of John Carter (the Mars guy).
Sorry, but the moment you said "original" you lost every argument in the history of arguments - for ever.
Dead Metal wrote:All three of those videos are hilarious, although he KO Starscream moment is kinda hurt by KO probably actually meaning it in a gay way.
When asked at BotCon 2011, the Prime writers said that there is no designation for gay, or straight, for that matter, on Cybertron, where Transformers are created by the AllSpark, not through sexual reproductions. They also said that Knock Out is a knock out, and that the Nemesis is a very "don't ask, don't tell" place. And then they jokingly deflected the matter, claiming that Knock Out's mannerisms are not caused by any particular orientation, but are simply eccentricities caused by "a glitch in the AllSpark" the day he was created.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
G1 Smoketreader wrote:Incorrectly interpreted, I think:
*The idea that these writers will come up with something perfectly original is used OBVIOUSLY by myself in the context of an anecdote and an insult, not an actual expectation, so it's your counter-argument that's invalid, because I am not even submitting an argument for you to counter-argue with in the first place.
*This entire series was incapable of telling its' own story without hamstringing its' own continuity past, and the whole series has erased 'lore' in order to provide 'lore' for no good reason other than inability of the writers to conform with the work of other writers working in the same continuity, let alone the idea that this continuity would be a "platform for all TF fans of all [eras] to be able to [meet and move forward] on together".
The idea that this episode closed and opened plot threads is a matter of illusion when you look at what the series closed off permanently in order to be competent enough to tell the story it is now telling.It was going to open and close plot threads anyway no matter who wrote it and whether or not zombies were in it.
G1 Smoketreader wrote:I don't understand how sexuality works.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Sabrblade wrote:Official word on Knock Out's orientation from the show's creators at BotCon 2011:When asked at BotCon 2011, the Prime writers said that there is no designation for gay, or straight, for that matter, on Cybertron, where Transformers are created by the AllSpark, not through sexual reproductions. They also said that Knock Out is a knock out, and that the Nemesis is a very "don't ask, don't tell" place. And then they jokingly deflected the matter, claiming that Knock Out's mannerisms are not caused by any particular orientation, but are simply eccentricities caused by "a glitch in the AllSpark" the day he was created.
In other words, it's just Daran Norris having fun playing the character in a campy, over-the-top manner.
Sabrblade wrote:Official word on Knock Out's orientation from the show's creators at BotCon 2011:When asked at BotCon 2011, the Prime writers said that there is no designation for gay, or straight, for that matter, on Cybertron, where Transformers are created by the AllSpark, not through sexual reproductions. They also said that Knock Out is a knock out, and that the Nemesis is a very "don't ask, don't tell" place. And then they jokingly deflected the matter, claiming that Knock Out's mannerisms are not caused by any particular orientation, but are simply eccentricities caused by "a glitch in the AllSpark" the day he was created.
In other words, it's just Daran Norris having fun playing the character in a campy, over-the-top manner.
Va'al wrote:Dead Metal wrote:All three of those videos are hilarious, although he KO Starscream moment is kinda hurt by KO probably actually meaning it in a gay way.
Hurt?
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
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