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The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:35 pm

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Predacons Rising movie -

So it starts off with a graduation ceremony for Bumblebee, with Optimus presumably promoting him from Scout to Warrior, as Bee stated he wished to hold off on until the war was over and they were free to return to Cybertron. Though, it looks as though the event is being held in Kaon, before a giant Megatron statue... Odd choice.

Megatron's dead body lies at the bottom of the sea on Earth.

No theme song or sequence for this one. Just the season 3 title card.

Megatron is completely dead, but he cannot fully pass on to the afterlife (i.e. - join with the Allspark) because of the Dark Energon that once flowed through his veins binds him to Unicron's "Anti-Spark". I guess he's just stuck in a state of limbo, then.

When Optimus used the Matrix to silence Unicron before, all he did was render Unicron's material form dormant, while his energy form was roused when Primus awoke when Cybertron was restored.

Megatron's body has become more spiky. and his jet mode now looks a bit more like the Gaia Unicron toy's spaceship mode (the one that looks like a face volcano). Sadly, though, the only toy that comes remotely close to resembling this new form of Megatron's is the Construct-Bots Unicron Megatron toy.

Ah, that's why the ceremony was held by the Megatron statue. So Jackie could blow it up once Bee was promoted. :grin:

Seeing Bumblebee speak with Will Friedle's voice is so refreshing to hear (if that makes sense :P ), and small moment with "Smokey" is very nice.

Bulkhead: "Primes never party." - Oh, THANKS for the reminder! Like we REALLY needed that! :-(

Ah HA! Optimus still hasn't gotten the AllSpark back to Cybertron! Another plot point from the novels still left to be resolved. And he says he needs to go find it because Cybertron, while being back alive itself, is incapable of creating new life without it.

Smokescreen never knew about the AllSpark launching, which Optimus says happened "thousands of years" ago (firmly putting to rest the old "millions and millions of years between WFC/FOC and Prime" gap being not that long). And we get a flashback to the launching. Sweet.

Optimus mentions that the Matrix will guide him to the AllSpark's location, which he attempted to do back in Exiles. But in that book, the Matrix led him to two of the colony worlds instead, and Optimus kept getting sidetracked along the way by many things. So even if the Matrix was going to lead to the AllSpark back then, a LOT of factors really must have gotten in Optimus's way to make him put off finding it for so long.

Starscream, Shockwave, and Predaking are still unaccounted for, and Optimus appoints Magnus to head patrolling missions to find them. Bulkhead is ordered to head the reconstruction project by building a landing field to welcome returning refugees. Wheeljack, however, gets the best job of all: He gets to go with Optimus as his deep-space navigator.

Megatron and Unicron occupy the same mind space within the same body.

Cool! Bulkhead's got Vehicons working under him.

Knock Out and other Vehicons are handcuffed and locked in a cell aboard the Nemesis. Bee's holding them there in hopes to get info on Shockwave's location.

Some of these Cybertronian structures and landscapes do remind me an awful lot like some of those seen in WFC and FOC. I pray the similarities are not mere coincidences.

Enter Skylynx and Darksteel.

Phew! For a second there, I thought Smokescreen was a fried goner. Gotta love that Phase Shifter and Smoke's intelligence usage of it. :D

Ratchet's back.

Bumblebee suspects that, if Shockwave's back in business with his cloning experiments, there could be a lot, a LOT, more Predacons than just those two out there. Let's wait and see.

Wheeljack notes that the AllSpark was sent to a hazardous star system called "Theta Scorpii", which Optimus knows about. Would have been nice to have pointed that out thousands of years ago, eh Prime?

It was Alpha Trion himself who constructed the reliquary that contains the AllSpark's pure energy.

Hiya, Predaking.

That is a LOT of Predacons... dead ones, anyway. "Rendered extinct ages ago by the Great Cataclysm."

How's it hangin', Screamer?

Egad! Seeing them in clear light, Skylynx and Darksteel really don't look anything like their toys. Outside of the most basic of similarities, that is.

Starscream makes no hesitation to constantly speak of Megatron in reverence, despite having no real reason to. Guess he really has grown out of his old anti-Megatron feelings.

Hey look! The Darkmount citadel on Cybertron is just like the one that was on Earth.

Holy smokes! That AllSpark looks nothing like I imagined it would. Neither a cube nor a Matrix-like shape. It's... pretty freaky-looking. Though, it almost seems like Optimus found it a little too easily, compared to his eons of searching for it without luck despite having the same search tools back then as he has now.

UniMegs's entrance mirrors that of Optimus 2.0's from episode 56 "Rebellion".

It's Frank Welker's voice, but Unicron's in the driver's seat.

That is some series "Arms Up" action going on there with UniMegs's arms. :P

I actually do wonder if that Smelting pit will be used in the story at some point (be it now or later), since they bothered to make a big deal about it still burning functionally despite Cybertron having been dormant for millennia.

At long last, after literally eons of searching, Optimus has finally gotten the AllSpark back. Coupled with the Star Saber, that makes two of his star-searching lifelong goals met.

HA! I KNEW IT! I KNEW they wouldn't be smelted right then and there! See? Main characters from Day 1 (plus Smoke, cuz he's awesome) don't get offed so arbitrarily by this show. The plot won't let them. Muwahahahaha!

Smokescreen: "What're we supposed to call 'em, huh? 'Megacron'? 'Unitron'?"
Arcee: "Really? That's your biggest issue right now?" :P

RATCHET CALLED UNICRON A "GOD"!!! A G-O-D "GOD"!!! That is the first time that has ever happened in any English-language Transformers animation ever made!!!

Whoa! In the Primus/Unicron flashback, we got a glimpse of what looked like a pre-formed Cybertron, surrounded by space clouds.

Predaking's about to meet UniMegs.

Oh no... Oh no... no... No... Don't kill Predaking... No...

Unicron just read Predaking's mind and now knows of the legions of dead Predacons from earlier.

And now, Shockwave and Starscream have found them as well.

Starscream is both baffled and overjoyed to see "his master" back. He even complements his new duds.

Darksteel and Skylynx waste no time lunging at UniMegs.

Well, folks, looks like this is what the title of the film refers to: Two new beasts and a whole lot of zombies.

You FOOL, Shockwave! Stop shooting and RUN!

Ah, darn it! Not they're eating him!

The Terrorcon Predacons are headed across the Hydrax Plateau for the Well of All Sparks, the most direct route to the Core.

Starscream's staging a coup aboard the Nemesis.

LOL! Smokescreen's stuck in the wall like Knock Out once was. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Predaking finally meets his two successors.

Knock Out: "Now, will you believe that I'm joining the winning team?"
Bumblebee: "Knock Out... we needed that!"
Knock Out: "Wait. It really was the Immobilizer?" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yay! Shockwave lives! Or should I call him "Shackwave"? :P

Man, Unicron and his army sure took their sweet time getting to the Well. I mean, can they be any slower?

Smokescreen just let slip the news that Optimus almost passed down the Matrix to him.

The ship is down. Right at the edge of the Well.

Whoops. Screamer's cell door broke.

YEAH! Autobots and Predacons vs. Terrorcon Predacons = AWESOME!

Oh no. The horde made it into the well. Along with the Pred trio.

Here comes Prime and Jackie!

Nice! When Bulkhead cries out Jackie's name and rides off the check on him, Arcee follows. Guess she and Wheeljack really hit it off before better than we thought. ;)

UniMegs has the AllSpark... or does he?

A trick!

Unicron, being a being of pure energy, was sucked into the reliquary of the Primes.

Oh look, Megatron lives. Again. Huzzah. :roll:

Megatron has... changed. He has renounced his need to inflict oppression, and has declared, no, demanded that the Decepticons are no more. Has old D-16 finally come back to us?

Starscream has returned to wanting to lead the Decepticons, and has taken it upon himself to rebuilt the faction under his name. But, incoming Predacons put a damper on that, wanting to "settle scores." Ah well, sorry Screamer. :P

Optimus put the energy of the AllSpark into the Matrix of Leadership, so that the reliquary could hold Unicron's essence.

Thus, Optimus's spark can no longer be separated from the multitude of others. In other words, he is now "one with the AllSpark/Allspark".

Optimus: "Because the Matrix must now be relinquished with the AllSpark, it cannot be restored. Or passed down to another. But while this may very well mark the end of the age of Primes, leadership can be earned with or without the Matrix."

Well, folks, looks like we're finally getting a dead Optimus. To those who wanted one back in episode 56, wish granted.

That final line of Optimus's makes it sound like it was written to act as the tiniest of elbow room for Optimus to return to life in a new body should a sequel series need him to do so.

Darksteel was voiced by Steve Blum (whom I could have sworn was voicing Skylynx instead). Skylynx was voiced by Nolan North. No new voice actors for these two, just existing ones.

That was very cool. A lot happened in this movie, and it all felt pretty good. Except for one little thing: The title. This movie was less "Predacons Rising" and more "Unicron Rising (plus a couple of Preds)". It really shows how much the Preds felt forced in to a story that otherwise did not need them. Darksteel and Skylynx were generic brutes who served as mostly background extras who only existed to breath fire and do tough stuff. The Terrorcon Predacon army could have easily been replaced by ordinary Terrorcons with little alteration to the story. Unicron stole this movie, but at least his awakening here, due to Primus's reactivation, made a lot more sense than some random, poorly-written planetary alignment. Bumblebee also stole this movie, being practically the star of it on the Autobots' side and taking center stage in a role of command. Will Friedle can really carry his own weight, and it shows. It was also interesting to see this being entirely Cybertron-centric, with no bits on Earth outside of a few quick shots, and no human characters at all. But, I still feel Optimus's finding the AllSpark was handled a little too easily, with it being found as though it were hardly a challenge to find it. Really, Optimus really couldn't have done this already back when he had the Ark all those years ago? I mean, he had the Matrix back then, which is all that he indicates as necessary to find it now, so what was the problem back then? And then there's Megatron, who's now no longer a warmongering tyrant. Will his change of heart be reflected in future fiction? Or will Hasbro force some way to throw him back into the ways of villainy? And what of Starscream? Did the Preds kill him? Did they not?

And what of the Dinobots? Or Rescue Force Sigma-17? While I don't expect the latter to get any resolution anytime soon, the former has their own comic storyline going on, so hopefully their fate is given in there. Same with Airachnid, who's another open book.

And Soundwave. Holy smoke, Soundwave was completely missing from this movie!

Though, as fun as it was, I'm actually kinda glad that it's all over. TF: Prime was an interesting series, but now that it's run its course, I feel that I'm ready for something new. The Go! cartoon has been entertaining enough, but it's become tough to watch it, so that's a slow going process. Rescue Bots season 2 comes this Winter, but that's still a way's off. Then there's Age of Extinction coming next year, but I need something other than another Movieverse flick to keep me vested. Here's hoping that whatever comes next to replace TF: Prime turns out to be good.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:03 pm

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Watched the leaked HD version of Pred Rising and I really liked it. It's a good setup for the next series and it was incredibly fun.
However, it seem like the leaked version isn't finished, there are two instances where it looked like the animation models weren't completely rendered and missed their textures.
Spoiler tags due to, well spoilers.
After it's revealed that Shockwave survived the Zombi-Predacons attacking him, he looks kinda bland and washed out, and has no textures on him.
When Starscream transforms to join Megatron, he kinda looks cheap and also pretty fuzzy.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby MightyMagnus78 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:19 pm

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What, it's on Youtube right now? :shock:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby njb902 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:33 pm

The theme never seemed so melancholy as it did at the end.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby VirusCarnage » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:45 pm

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:07 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:After it's revealed that Shockwave survived the Zombi-Predacons attacking him, he looks kinda bland and washed out, and has no textures on him.
I just assumed that most of his paint got taken off when he got mauled by the horde of TerrorPreds. But yeah, he was definitely more "Shackwave" than "Shockwave" in that scene. ;)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:51 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:After it's revealed that Shockwave survived the Zombi-Predacons attacking him, he looks kinda bland and washed out, and has no textures on him.
I just assumed that most of his paint got taken off when he got mauled by the horde of TerrorPreds. But yeah, he was definitely more "Shackwave" than "Shockwave" in that scene. ;)

I expected that he would have wounds, but he didn't, he was missing a few pieces, but there was no real damage marks on him, he looked like a 3D model without any textures, just with the basic colours you have before it gets rendered.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:05 pm

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Just watched Predacons Rising.

I thought it was fantastic. Really did set up for the next series, and makes it easy for Bumblebee to become the major character. Maybe, Optimus Prime will appear as some sort of counselor for Bumblebee, like Alpha Trion to Optimus, or Roku to Aang from Avatar. Though, I'm not sure how they'd accomplish this

The Plot
Really did like it. Nothing spectacular I'd say, though. With that said, it felt like they were trying to figure out who was the focus of the movie throughout. Kind of back-and-forth between Bumblebee to Megacron.

The Characters
This was pretty much what I was focusing on the whole time, so that's why there's such a short plot response.

Optimus Prime
He took a backseat to this movie. Only showed up in the first and last 15 minutes on average. I did like his death, though. Depending on what happens on the next series, this is probably the first time they kept an Optimus....dead. Even if they did bring him back to life for the next series, how would they do that without it being contradictory? How could Optimus Prime exist when he sustains all future life of Cybertron, letalone the Matrix being the AllSpark and containing all memory of him ever being a Prime. Like I said, put him in the position of Alpha Trion & Roku.

Bumblebee
Shined in this movie. Showed his leadership skills. I felt like it should've been Smokescreen, but with the way the last episode went, I'm glad it wasn't. Bumblebee was really more of a background character in the series, so the fact that he's the focus of the movie is really refreshing.

Kind of interesting how Bumblebee's voice was the last one that Optimus would hear.


Knock Out
Loved the whole switching sides thing. Character development wise, however...less of a big deal to me I suppose. I guess they did a good job of wrapping up his story.

Smokescreen
Like Optimus, took a backseat, though much less of one. He was developed alright.

Ultra Magnus
Disappointing. He was in a critical state pretty much the whole damn movie, and showed up fine and perky....in the background. The guy hardly got developed in this series, and I was hoping they'd do something with him during this movie. "Starring Michael Ironside as Ultra Magnus" my exhaust port.

Ratchet, Bulkhead, Wheeljack, and Arcee were a 'whatever.'

Unicron
Good to see him back. Had a pretty generic plan, though. Fate was alright I suppose.

Megatron
Who knew they'd actually use character development on MEGATRON?! The main baddie! They usually make him a static character, but here, he was TOTALLY dynamic. Having experienced the pain he has inflicted on everyone else, he pretty much gave a non-verbal apology to Optimus and flew off! Bravo!

Predaking
Your highness.

Predaking was pretty cool during the movie, and finally got his "army," or properly "subjects." They developed him the background more so, though.


Skylynx
Kind of came off as overconfident and sort of narcissistic like the classic Skylynx, so I'll call that his personality, but seriously, him and Darksteel were just a couple of brutes as Sabrblade mentioned.

Darksteel
He had the most personality out of the three Predacons that was more easily identifiable. Just a fun-loving joker guy that finds everything funny, but can kick some ass when the time comes. Definitely my favorite Predacon.

Now, if only we had show-accurate toys of those two. :-(

Starscream
Meh...whatever. He got what was coming to him. Just kind of questioning whether he survived his encounter with the Predacons or not.

Shockwave
Shackwave.

The lack of Soundwave I actually expected. No way did I think he was getting out of the Shadowzone. I am, however, disappointed at the lack of Airachnid. I guess they closed her story going forward in Thirst, but there's still a lot of backstory that was never explained. What a shame.

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Overall, I did like this movie. So long, Prime. You were a great series. :APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE: :APPLAUSE:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:30 pm

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I'm actually kinda disappointed the humans where absent, I hope they show up in the sequel series.

Oh some more thoughts, I love how Skylinx has a British accent, but not the posh uppter class one of the original, but more of a lower class quality, that and the personality kinda made him come across like the kinda guy who hangs around in pubs the whole time getting drunk and into fights. Awesome.

Megatron was kinda weird though, especially his reasoning. "For the first time I have experienced true oppression" The hell? Him being oppressed was the whole reason why he did what he did in the first place. Further proof that the novels are utterly worthless.

Predaking was my favorite, love how he's used in this and I hope we get to see much more of him in the future.

I'm pretty interested in how they'll be using Optimus and Megatron in the sequel, I mean it's obvious they'll be a part of it, just how. I can see Optimus taking on the role of Roku, showing up now and then, maybe even given temporal physical form for a climax.

Then again, the camera did focus on that one spark at the end, could that have been Optimus's spark and it's a hint at him being reborn?

Megatron could be used as a sort of loner, not wanting to rejoin the Decepticons, expecting rejection by the Autobots, showing up every now and then and maybe befriending someone who doesn't realize who he is. Maybe even trying to get into contact with Optimus Prime.
And then starting to lean towards taking on his old role again.

Knockout, is always awesome and damn he was fine in this!

Shockwave losing it when the Predacons rose from the dead was great.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby MightyMagnus78 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:00 pm

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OK, just watched it and I thought it was good.

I was a bit disappointed that Smokescrean didn't have a more prominent role and in effect, Predacon's rising basically became Bumblebee the movie. However, that said I really enjoyed it, especially Megatron's redemption at the end, even if it was somewhat unexpected.

I loved Prime and this movie was a great way to finish. I am gutted it's over :sad: .
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:15 pm

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Man, I wish we didn't need to spoiler tag everything we say about the movie.

Dead Metal wrote:Megatron was kinda weird though, especially his reasoning. "For the first time I have experienced true oppression" The hell? Him being oppressed was the whole reason why he did what he did in the first place. Further proof that the novels are utterly worthless.
I honestly feel this could be interpreted in multiple ways. Like, though he was oppressed by the higher castes back when he was a miner, I'd think the torturous suffering he suffered from Unicron here was far worse than anything he had ever suffered back in the mines. He might no longer consider what he endured back then as "true" oppression, not after the experience he just went through. Sure, he likely did think that the societal oppression he went through in the past was a level of oppression he could not bear to stand, but he never had to endure godlike-levels of oppression back then like he did now. ;) So, his whole views on oppression very well might have been revolutionized by this experience, with it opening his eyes to reality and finally making him realize that he had become a promoter of the very thing he had originally despised so much: Oppression. And, after having finally reached this epiphany, wanted to wash his hands of it, wanting nothing more to do with it.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby TurboMMaster » Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:45 pm

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Finally, after almost 30 years of waiting, Starscream survived until very end. Predacons for sure try to punish him, yet he still could escepe, or use hes speech skills. Also, he could e usefull to Predacons.

Also for the very first time, Megatron outlived Optimus.. Al least without beign turned into Galvatron or something else.

I'm really enjoy the movie, he was extremly well-done, yet I'm kinda dissapointed. Only 2 new characters, only one death (very family-friendly and I'm not for sure it was "real".) Final battle between Prime nad Megacron was'nt as epic as it should be. They completly forgot about Airanchid, and we won't see any good comeback. I think the movie should be longer, because only one hour just is'nt enough, and we call see it clearly.

I can't wait fr the next series, I'm just afraid they decide to push Transformers GO! into Amercia & Europe.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:46 pm

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TurboMMaster wrote:Finally, after almost 30 years of waiting, Starscream survived until very end. Predacons for sure try to punish him, yet he still could escepe, or use hes speech skills. Also, he could e usefull to Predacons.

Also for the very first time, Megatron outlived Optimus.. Al least without beign turned into Galvatron or something else.

I'm really enjoy the movie, he was extremly well-done, yet I'm kinda dissapointed. Only 2 new characters, only one death (very family-friendly and I'm not for sure it was "real".) Final battle between Prime nad Megacron was'nt as epic as it should be. They completly forgot about Airanchid, and we won't see any good comeback. I think the movie should be longer, because only one hour just is'nt enough, and we call see it clearly.


I agree with all that, actually.

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Not without heavily retooling it and ejecting it from the Aligned continuity...a weird reversal of Galaxy Force/Cybertron, come to think of it.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby TurboMMaster » Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:06 pm

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This could be, after all, Since Relic Hunt, Prime seems to don't affraid use references to UT. Actually, I think that this series unearth many good aspects of Cybertron(Yes, it has good aspects), and make them even better.

And returning to Starscream: I'm the only one who thinks that returning to Keon only to sit on a "empty throne" is kinda ridiculous? Especially, since Autobots don't really seems to try to punish him.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby njb902 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:56 pm

TurboMMaster wrote:This could be, after all, Since Relic Hunt, Prime seems to don't affraid use references to UT. Actually, I think that this series unearth many good aspects of Cybertron(Yes, it has good aspects), and make them even better.

And returning to Starscream: I'm the only one who thinks that returning to Keon only to sit on a "empty throne" is kinda ridiculous? Especially, since Autobots don't really seems to try to punish him.


What about Prime Starscream isn't ridiculous?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:35 pm

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TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, I think that this series unearth many good aspects of Cybertron(Yes, it has good aspects), and make them even better.


Speaking of which, since the show's over for some of us, I think Prime was similar to Armada in many ways.

Both:
* Had mid-series deco changes and upgrades
* Started out with a very limited cast and relatively kept it that way
* Took the kid-appeal character and made them succeed Optimus Prime (Smokescreen & Hot Shot)
* Hunted for things that would benefit the other side's overall power in the war. (though, Prime handled this better)
* Took Starscream out of the Decepticon cause for a good deal of time without killing him
* Used subline imprints later in the show
* Have three factions (in the cartoon fiction, that is)

I may be forgetting some, also.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:43 pm

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TurboMMaster wrote:I can't wait fr the next series, I'm just afraid they decide to push Transformers GO! into Amercia & Europe.
Not unless they don't air the cartoon on television since the Go! cartoon is completely unfit for American television.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby TurboMMaster » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:52 am

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Actually, Japanese Folklor is the best thing in Transformers, GO! Like always the problem in japanse series that good ideas are extremly badly done.

Maybe this time Hasbro decide to based new series on European mentality, it is close enough to American so I don't think it would be a problem for Americans, yet it is different enough to give a originality a little chance.

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TurboMMaster wrote:* Have three factions (in the cartoon fiction, that is)

For me, idea ofthir faction never was used in Transformers franchise the right way. Mini-cons were destroyed by similiarity with Pokemon (Yeah, I know, that was a point. Yet still DW comics portraied them much better). Planex X survivors don't get enough time, and Predacons ended prety much the same.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:09 am

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TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, Japanese Folklor is the best thing in Transformers, GO! Like always the problem in japanse series that good ideas are extremly badly done.
No, I'm saying the Go! cartoon can't air on American television because it is not formatted for television broadcast. Like, at all.

It's not like it's airing on TV in Japan. It's a direct-to-DVD minisode mini-series, with each episode coming out on a monthly basis as pack-in bonuses with two magazines.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby njb902 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:30 am

Sabrblade wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, Japanese Folklor is the best thing in Transformers, GO! Like always the problem in japanse series that good ideas are extremly badly done.
No, I'm saying the Go! cartoon can't air on American television because it is not formatted for television broadcast. Like, at all.

It's not like it's airing on TV in Japan. It's a direct-to-DVD minisode mini-series, with each episode coming out on a monthly basis as pack-in bonuses with two magazines.


They could do it like the Clone Wars shorts on cartoon network.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:37 am

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TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, Japanese Folklor is the best thing in Transformers, GO! Like always the problem in japanse series that good ideas are extremly badly done.
No, I'm saying the Go! cartoon can't air on American television because it is not formatted for television broadcast. Like, at all.

It's not like it's airing on TV in Japan. It's a direct-to-DVD minisode mini-series, with each episode coming out on a monthly basis as pack-in bonuses with two magazines.


They could do it like the Clone Wars shorts on cartoon network.
I just don't think it would be successful if it was handled like any ordinary TV show shown on American Television.

It works best as direct-to-video series, or even as an online series, since it wouldn't appeal to mainstream audiences (as evidenced by the amount of unwarranted irateness it sadly gets around here).
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:39 am

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The more I think about it, the more this movie feels, to me, like a sort of response to all the fanboy wishes for future live action movies.

I mean, how often have we seen posts from people wanting the next TF movie to have any of the following:
  • Unicron
  • A story set entirely on Cybertron
  • No humans
  • Full focus on the robots
  • Less Optimus Prime
  • Less Megatron
  • More characterization for the non-Optimus/non-Megatron robots
  • Megatron being upgraded into a form that's not still named "Megatron"
  • Bumblebee to talk permanently
  • No toilet humor
  • No excessive crudeness in general
  • No Michael Bay
We hear these kinds of fan wishes all the time, and this movie has delivered in just 65 minutes all of what three 2 and a half hour long feature films failed to deliver (not that we should have been expecting any of that for the live action films, mind you).

I think the only things missing from this movie that fans kept asking for are the Dinobots (which Age of Extinction will be giving us), Megatron's upgraded form being named "Galvatron", and for a movie that would have all of this to be one that would be released in theaters (which really doesn't matter in the long run since both theatrical movies and TV/DVD movies all eventually just end up as commercial home video media anyway).
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:31 pm

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Huh. Check this out - http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/transformers-prime-beast-hunters/episodes-season-3/308171

TVGuide has the upcoming Hub premiere of Predacons Rising listed as three episodes incorrectly titled (yet still more appropriately titled) "Chaos Rising". :|
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby VirusCarnage » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:33 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Huh. Check this out - http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/transformers-prime-beast-hunters/episodes-season-3/308171

TVGuide has the upcoming Hub premiere of Predacons Rising listed as three episodes incorrectly titled (yet still more appropriately titled) "Chaos Rising". :|

Nice find, I think that would be a fitting title rather then Predacons Rising.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Sabrblade wrote:The more I think about it, the more this movie feels, to me, like a sort of response to all the fanboy wishes for future live action movies.

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That's a fair point. It does seem like fanboy wish fulfillment. That's probably why this film felt so horribly rushed... there were a few too many disparate elements crammed in. I like seeing multiple factions doing battle, but having Shockwave and Starscream building a new Predacon army, Predaking being recruited by the Autobots, and Unicron Megs building an undead army meant that we rushed through an entire season's worth of interesting plots and characterizations in roughly three episodes' time. In trying to give us everything we wanted AND resolve lingering plot threads, Predacons Rising didn't have much in the way of breathing room or dramatic tension.

And some characters got A LOT more resolution than others as a result. So, some of the Steves joined the Autobots in rebuilding Cybertron and some didn't? What's up with that?

Not to mention, when it comes to faction... changing your allegiance doesn't take much effort, as Darksteel, SkyLynx, and Knock Out apparently confirm their new alliances and then SAY NOTHING ELSE FOR THE REST OF THE MOVIE. Argh.
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