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Actually, Ratchet is both medic AND warrior. And yet, after leaving Cybertron, nobody cares enough to even give him a proper gun. And we both know, that in this universe lack of long rage attacks could be fatal...Shadowman wrote:TurboMMaster wrote:And about Medics in this universe... Isn't this ridicilous that both doctors in this universe don't have any kind of long rage weapons.
That's because doctors aren't warriors. I don't understand how you can't comprehend that. How many times in real life have you seen doctors run around with weapons, getting into shootouts?
TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, Ratchet is both medic AND warrior. And yet, after leaving Cybertron, nobody cares enough to even give him a proper gun. And we both know, that in this universe lack of long rage attacks could be fatal...Shadowman wrote:TurboMMaster wrote:And about Medics in this universe... Isn't this ridicilous that both doctors in this universe don't have any kind of long rage weapons.
That's because doctors aren't warriors. I don't understand how you can't comprehend that. How many times in real life have you seen doctors run around with weapons, getting into shootouts?
TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, Ratchet is both medic AND warrior. And yet, after leaving Cybertron, nobody cares enough to even give him a proper gun. And we both know, that in this universe lack of long rage attacks could be fatal...Shadowman wrote:TurboMMaster wrote:And about Medics in this universe... Isn't this ridicilous that both doctors in this universe don't have any kind of long rage weapons.
That's because doctors aren't warriors. I don't understand how you can't comprehend that. How many times in real life have you seen doctors run around with weapons, getting into shootouts?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
TurboMMaster wrote:Knock Out from the other hand is entirely useless.
don't have any kind of long rage weapons
and also, is acting like a retard...
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Knock Out: 1
Optimus: zip
njb902 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Knock Out: 1
Optimus: zip
That really brings out the colour in his optics.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Yeah, with hitting Starscream from the back, and with price of extremly usefull device...PrymeStriker wrote:Yep. I can see how he is entirely useless when he helped save Bumblebee in Predacons Rising.
With Breakdown's help...PrymeStriker wrote:. Or that time when he zapped the hell out of Optimus while Soundwave secured the Energon Harvester?
With Decepticons unique weapon of mass destruction...PrymeStriker wrote:Maybe the time he beat Bumblebee and Arcee to get one of the Omega Keys.
The same that failed to keep Breakdown at bay in Thirst?. Yeah, it is a perfect weapon if you don't wanna encouter enemy directly...PrymeStriker wrote:He's had an energon prod since season one that fires lasers. Where have you been?
TurboMMaster wrote:Yeah, with hitting Starscream from the back, and with price of extremly usefull device...
With Breakdown's help...
With Decepticons unique weapon of mass destruction...PrymeStriker wrote:Maybe the time he beat Bumblebee and Arcee to get one of the Omega Keys.
The same that failed to keep Breakdown at bay in Thirst?. Yeah, it is a perfect weapon if you don't wanna encouter enemy directly...
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Breakdown send big missile in Museum's direction, Optimus must dodge it AND save Kids and innocent humans in it. Good distraction you know... And later, when battle goes on, Optimus sended KO into air using something, that supposed to be a dodge...PrymeStriker wrote:Breakdown fended off other Autobots. Knock Out would have been able to take Optimus on his own had the others not have been there to outnumber him, which is a feat in itself.
This is a prove that Prime is cunning.PrymeStriker wrote:I guess Optimus' capture of Unicron and the saving of Cybertron is worthy of belittling because he used a powerful container from the ancients
Optimus Prime's unique ability.PrymeStriker wrote:or the comatose of Unicron that saved Earth because he used a holy relic of wisdom in his chest.
It is still arguable did he's Prod should be classified as a long range weapon. For me not, because you still encouter enemy directly, only a little directly less....PrymeStriker wrote:You said he didn't have any kind of long rage weapon. I merely said that he did.
TurboMMaster wrote:Yeah, with hitting Starscream from the backPrymeStriker wrote:Yep. I can see how he is entirely useless when he helped save Bumblebee in Predacons Rising.
TurboMMaster wrote:and with price of extremly usefull device...
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
TurboMMaster wrote:Breakdown send big missile in Museum's direction, Optimus must dodge it AND save Kids and innocent humans in it. Good distraction you know... And later, when battle goes on, Optimus sended KO into air using something, that supposed to be a dodge...
This is a prove that Prime is cunning.
Optimus Prime's unique ability.
It is still arguable did he's Prod should be classified as a long range weapon.
For me not, because you still encouter enemy directly, only a little directly less....
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Yet anything KO was able to do, was because Prime was distracted by at least a while, in such dynamic fight moment is a very long period of time.PrymeStriker wrote:A small aid. Most of the work was done by Knock Out.
In very unorthodox way. Don't say that using pot to capture a deity with no clue that this is possible == beating two Autobots using element of suprise AND one of the most powerfull weapons in this series.PrymeStriker wrote:So? He used an overpowered device like Knock Out.
Resonance Blaster isn't Knock Out's own weapon, so no. I think that even Vechicon could do that with such kind of equipment.PrymeStriker wrote:The same above applies here.
And where Knock Out's Prod shoots? To be honest, I don't remember...PrymeStriker wrote:If it shoots, it's a projectile weapon.
TurboMMaster wrote:In very unorthodox way. Don't say that using pot to capture a deity with no clue that this is possible == beating two Autobots using element of suprise AND one of the most powerfull weapons in this series.PrymeStriker wrote:So? He used an overpowered device like Knock Out.
I think that even Vechicon could do that with such kind of equipment.
And where Knock Out's Prod shoots? To be honest, I don't remember...
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Different kinf of opponent, different kind of device... It is like comparing killing child with Bazooka and kiling soldier with bubble gum.PrymeStriker wrote:TurboMMaster wrote:In very unorthodox way. Don't say that using pot to capture a deity with no clue that this is possible == beating two Autobots using element of suprise AND one of the most powerfull weapons in this series.PrymeStriker wrote:So? He used an overpowered device like Knock Out.
Optimus used the element of surprise on Unicron. Knock Out used the element of surprise to defeat the Autobots. Both knew how to use the device they were given effectively to their advantage. How is that any different?
I remember, that in "Crossfire" Breakdowns canon shoots lasers instead of missiles. In this case it could be the same way. Either someone forgot about that or it was a one timed retcon.In "Orion Pax, Part 1."
TurboMMaster wrote:It is like comparing killing child with Bazooka and kiling soldier with bubble gum.
I remember, that in "Crossfire" Breakdowns canon shoots lasers instead of missiles. In this case it could be the same way. Either someone forgot about that or it was a one timed retcon.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Animated also made it a point to show the Autobots getting better at fighting Decepticons gradually over time. By the season 1 finale, they had gotten a better hang of combating Decepticons--except for Megatron, who was freshly rebuilt to full power and so still a major obstacle for them at the time. Bulkhead and Optimus had each gotten much stronger over time and so could hold their own much better than they could when they first fought the Cons.TurboMMaster wrote:And this is why Bulkhead was able to beat both Lugnut and Shockwave, this is why Optimus onwed Megatron is final fight so easily?
For me, Decepticons in Animates last that long only becuase of Prime's Team lack of combat experience and general lack of Elite Guard considering Decepticons seriously.
Plus, the final fight had Optimus armed with the all powerful Magnus Hammer, which further helped to put him on even footing with Megatron. And, unlike Optimus, Megatron had gotten caught in the explosion of the lugnut Supreme, and had thusly been greatly weakened by it.
I would like to add that in Animated the main Autobot team where just a maintenance crew, the only ones with actual combat abilities where Ratchet (old ass retired cranky medic), Prowl (loner, completely unable to work in a team), and Optimus (never finished trianing and zero actual combat experience). While the Decepticons they encountered (save for the ones created during the show), where all long-time combat proven warriors.
This is like construction workers armed with only their equipment going up against a team of marines armed to the teeth.kaijuguy19 wrote:Do any of you guys find the Prime style to be very derrivitive and unimaginative? Some people I've heard at some sites say that too many characters have the samey proportions and samey design cues with samey faces that are badly animated. Like Optimus and Bee being largely inspired by the movies but in hindsight did nothing to make them stand out from the past versions if not better.
Also the same people gripe about the transformation shcemes not being unqiue to each characer in the slightest like, nobody started arms first, legs last or legs first, torso and arms last. They just exploded apart and reformed with no sense of weight or flow like they never transform at all with no sense of countinuity making the gimmick of the brand unimpressive in the long run.
I know this has to do with personal opinions and all and let's face it we all have different tastes in style. It's just some of these complaints are somehow valid like with Optimus,Bee and Megatron being largely inspired by the movies though at the same time we have characters like Arcee,Soundwave and Breakdown not being like their G1 counterparts.
Nope, I think the style is one of the high points of the show.
True Megatron, Optimus and Bee are very similar to their movie incarnations, however each design is still kinda unique and perfect for the character.
Megatron however, looks more like a mixture of Animated pre-Earth Megatron and G1 Megatron, and if you really look at the design you'll notice how his body is perfectly suited for hand-to-hand combat:And what's that about everyone transforming the same? That kinda reads like you don't like it that they just transform without having an incredibly silly 5 minute long transformation scene in order to fill out the run time of each episode and save on animation costs.
- Powerful arms (Movie Megatron is known for his comically crappy arms) perfect for punching and ripping enemies from limb to limb
- His fingers each miss a piece, so instead of having fingers like us that are made up of three pieces and joints, his are made up off two pieces and joints, and one of those pieces are literately just spikes to dig into an enemy and ripp him apart
- His front is heavily armored, while his back has the bulk of exposed joints and gaps for movement.
- The "twisted" more "evil" versions of G1 Megatron features, like the sides of his stomach, his legs looking like gun handles, etc
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Wait, are they actually complaining that the transformations are exactly as they should normally be instead of drawn out anime-styled stock transformation sequences that take up an extra thirty second to a minute? Are they seriously complaining about a lack of filler padding?!!
kaijuguy19 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Animated also made it a point to show the Autobots getting better at fighting Decepticons gradually over time. By the season 1 finale, they had gotten a better hang of combating Decepticons--except for Megatron, who was freshly rebuilt to full power and so still a major obstacle for them at the time. Bulkhead and Optimus had each gotten much stronger over time and so could hold their own much better than they could when they first fought the Cons.TurboMMaster wrote:And this is why Bulkhead was able to beat both Lugnut and Shockwave, this is why Optimus onwed Megatron is final fight so easily?
For me, Decepticons in Animates last that long only becuase of Prime's Team lack of combat experience and general lack of Elite Guard considering Decepticons seriously.
Plus, the final fight had Optimus armed with the all powerful Magnus Hammer, which further helped to put him on even footing with Megatron. And, unlike Optimus, Megatron had gotten caught in the explosion of the lugnut Supreme, and had thusly been greatly weakened by it.
I would like to add that in Animated the main Autobot team where just a maintenance crew, the only ones with actual combat abilities where Ratchet (old ass retired cranky medic), Prowl (loner, completely unable to work in a team), and Optimus (never finished trianing and zero actual combat experience). While the Decepticons they encountered (save for the ones created during the show), where all long-time combat proven warriors.
This is like construction workers armed with only their equipment going up against a team of marines armed to the teeth.kaijuguy19 wrote:Do any of you guys find the Prime style to be very derrivitive and unimaginative? Some people I've heard at some sites say that too many characters have the samey proportions and samey design cues with samey faces that are badly animated. Like Optimus and Bee being largely inspired by the movies but in hindsight did nothing to make them stand out from the past versions if not better.
Also the same people gripe about the transformation shcemes not being unqiue to each characer in the slightest like, nobody started arms first, legs last or legs first, torso and arms last. They just exploded apart and reformed with no sense of weight or flow like they never transform at all with no sense of countinuity making the gimmick of the brand unimpressive in the long run.
I know this has to do with personal opinions and all and let's face it we all have different tastes in style. It's just some of these complaints are somehow valid like with Optimus,Bee and Megatron being largely inspired by the movies though at the same time we have characters like Arcee,Soundwave and Breakdown not being like their G1 counterparts.
Nope, I think the style is one of the high points of the show.
True Megatron, Optimus and Bee are very similar to their movie incarnations, however each design is still kinda unique and perfect for the character.
Megatron however, looks more like a mixture of Animated pre-Earth Megatron and G1 Megatron, and if you really look at the design you'll notice how his body is perfectly suited for hand-to-hand combat:And what's that about everyone transforming the same? That kinda reads like you don't like it that they just transform without having an incredibly silly 5 minute long transformation scene in order to fill out the run time of each episode and save on animation costs.
- Powerful arms (Movie Megatron is known for his comically crappy arms) perfect for punching and ripping enemies from limb to limb
- His fingers each miss a piece, so instead of having fingers like us that are made up of three pieces and joints, his are made up off two pieces and joints, and one of those pieces are literately just spikes to dig into an enemy and ripp him apart
- His front is heavily armored, while his back has the bulk of exposed joints and gaps for movement.
- The "twisted" more "evil" versions of G1 Megatron features, like the sides of his stomach, his legs looking like gun handles, etc
I actually don't mind how they transform on the show. It's just that some people have a problem with it because they think they don't each have a unqie and different way of transforming.
Another complaint I've read is that the designs don't have a lot of the robot aspect in them makking them evoke the imagery of a bunch of poorly-dressed people with bad skin that don't have their character repsented well in it. not as sleek as Animated nor as detailed as the movies. People often say that it's a style that plays it too safe and is bland compaired to the Animated and Movie styles which they feel did a much better job at their respective styles .
In short most of them are saying that the Prime style commits a crime of being bland,boring.playing it safe.not having any visual variety just to name a few.
Sabrblade wrote:Wait, are they actually complaining that the transformations are exactly as they should normally be instead of drawn out anime-styled stock transformation sequences that take up an extra thirty second to a minute? Are they seriously complaining about a lack of filler padding?!!
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It sounds to me like these people never watched or don't remember G1 or the Beast Era that well, since all of those had transformations like the ones we see here in Prime.
They need to realize that the drawn-out anime-styled sequences are not the standard norm for onscreen transformations in all TF cartoons.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
It's isn't!?Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It sounds to me like these people never watched or don't remember G1 or the Beast Era that well, since all of those had transformations like the ones we see here in Prime.
They need to realize that the drawn-out anime-styled sequences are not the standard norm for onscreen transformations in all TF cartoons.
They'll realize that the same day they realize that the original G1 cartoon wasn't anime, which is incidentally the day Godzilla is revealed to be a series of documentaries.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Wait, are they actually complaining that the transformations are exactly as they should normally be instead of drawn out anime-styled stock transformation sequences that take up an extra thirty second to a minute? Are they seriously complaining about a lack of filler padding?!!
Dead Metal wrote:kaijuguy19 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Another complaint I've read is that the designs don't have a lot of the robot aspect in them makking them evoke the imagery of a bunch of poorly-dressed people with bad skin that don't have their character repsented well in it. not as sleek as Animated nor as detailed as the movies. People often say that it's a style that plays it too safe and is bland compaired to the Animated and Movie styles which they feel did a much better job at their respective styles .
In short most of them are saying that the Prime style commits a crime of being bland,boring.playing it safe.not having any visual variety just to name a few.
That's what makes them so good, they're a mix of Animated and Movie, they are sleek and organic looking, while having just enough detail and moving parts to still look like machines. The hilarious thing is, most of those people probably think that the Marvel G1 comics are the best incarnation ever, the one where the artists decided to let the robots look like people in costumes.
The style took some getting used to, but after a while I really got to appreciate it giving me not only the details and complexity I craved in robots, but also the sleekness of Animated, it's fantastic.
Especially when you look at it and realize these are designed to be robots that turn into vehicles and not the other way around like the movies do.
Afterall the whole concept here is that they are organisms like humans, just made of metal. Plus it's supposed to the the TF version of a "Prime" universe, as in the original universe from which all other universes branch off from. Which explains why Optimus and BB look so much like their Movie counterparts, and Bulkhead like his Animated self.
But what they ignore is the original design work on guys like Soundwave and Predaking.
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