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Sabrblade wrote:1. How in the world are dinosaurs as a concept "stupid"?PrymeStriker wrote:and now they're going to make matters even worse by pulling off more stupid and overdone crap to sell toys.
2. Why in the world wouldn't they seize the opportunity to put the dino toys into the show? It'd be stupid for them not to.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I sense a lack of clarity from this post.PrymeStriker wrote:
I give up on Rescue Bots.
In other words, it's no use sitting around here and waiting for Rescue Bots to pull off something interesting in their storytelling for a change. They've been using boring writing techniques to convey the standard of a "good story" since episode one, and now they're going to make matters even worse by pulling off more stupid and overdone crap to sell toys. Ergo, I give up on Rescue Bots.
A similar argument could be made for every instance of dinosaur altmode TFs ever, since dinosaurs as a concept of coolness and fun has been in effect since long before the days of this brand's beginning.PrymeStriker wrote:Because they are a tasteless and overused way to attract attention or give an element of excitement to a story. This entire concept only exists because of the Age of Extinction film, and even in that the Dinobots were useless and forgettable.
Would it really be any more contrived than any other in-story reason for characters to have taken new forms or gotten new bodies? I mean, look at TF: Prime, for instance. Why in the world did Optimus need to be given a new body by the Forge? Would it not have been simpler for it to just fix his current body during his revitalization? Or, did Unicron really need to give Megatron a makeover in "Predacons Rising" when he could have just fixed Megatron's body and use it as it already was? Both cases went above and beyond what was necessary, and in the former's case, it was to sell a new toy.PrymeStriker wrote:You bet it's stupid for Hasbro not to sell their latest marketing gimmicks. Yet, I can guarantee you that they'll come up with some contrived explanation as to why the Rescue Bots need to obtain beast modes in the cartoon. Why worry about writing an interesting story when you can sell some bricks?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Would it really be any more contrived than any other in-story reason for characters to have taken new forms or gotten new bodies? I mean, look at TF: Prime, for instance. Why in the world did Optimus need to be given a new body by the Forge? Would it not have been simpler for it to just fix his current body during his revitalization?PrymeStriker wrote:You bet it's stupid for Hasbro not to sell their latest marketing gimmicks. Yet, I can guarantee you that they'll come up with some contrived explanation as to why the Rescue Bots need to obtain beast modes in the cartoon. Why worry about writing an interesting story when you can sell some bricks?
Or, did Unicron really need to give Megatron a makeover in "Predacons Rising" when he could have just fixed Megatron's body and use it as it already was?
Both cases went above and beyond what was necessary, and in the former's case, it was to sell a new toy.
Same goes for when new concepts are introduced. You can't tell me that the way they introduced Predaking and the whole Predacon species wasn't overwrought and contrived, requiring a rewrite to a whole chapter of history just to work them into the backstory and present day events. All for the sake of selling new toys.
New ideas come along to add to what has come before all the time, even if it's because of new toys to be sold. This is nothing new.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
I meant for the character himself, rather than for the events he'd wake up to take part in.PrymeStriker wrote:So that he'd have to break into Darkmount and risk getting caught as opposed to being able to fly to the top and use his new abilities to surprise and outmatch the Decepticons?
Couldn't Unicron's power alone have been enough to augment Megatron's body to suit Unicron's purposes sufficiently enough without the addition of the cosmetic alterations he gave to it? After all, the most changes he made to the body that fulfilled any real sort of function to Unicron were the energy-based weaponry that he generated from Megatron's hands, which weren't components of the host body but rather products of Unicron's own emanation.PrymeStriker wrote:Yes, it was necessary. He needed to upgrade Megatron's simplistic body so that it was a more powerful vessel to carry out his schemes.
Megs was travelling through space in his pre-Unicron body seemingly under his own power looking for Dark Energon at the beginning of the series.PrymeStriker wrote:I'm also sure it had something to do with travelling faster through space.
"Unrealistic" or not really wasn't a factor I was trying to bring into this.PrymeStriker wrote:The Beast Hunters model changes aren't really that unnecessary or unrealistic.
Right, the changes occurred because the story's events demanded it, regardless of any logic or necessity for it to happen to these characters as persons rather than as instruments of the plot. Who's to say that won't also happen here for these dinosaur upgrades?PrymeStriker wrote:Circumstances from the plotline being followed at the time have been put forward as obstacles that the upgrades could overcome. There weren't any kind of overly-convenient roadblocks that were shoved into the story for the new models, even though they were last-minute additions.
I agree that that felt forced in at first, but the fact that season 4 was able to build upon the concept and put it to good use through exploration and fleshing it out further (and being a vital component to the epic of all epics season 4 finale) shows that it did not go to waste and led to execution that range from adequate to excellent.PrymeStriker wrote:It's not a prejudice against Rescue Bots, but usually these kinds of marketing schemes translated into fiction result in a strained story. For example, Hasbro wanted to sell Princess Twilight Sparkle dolls for the MLP: FiM toyline. So they shoved it into the season three finale, and while I did enjoy the advancement of the character, I cannot deny that there was something far too convenient and forced about the whole idea.
Well, the way I see it, it's Hasbro trying to be consistent across their various 2014 lines like they were in 2013. 2014's theme is Dinosaurs, so they put them in AOE, Construct-Bots, Kre-O, and now Rescue Bots. In 2013, the theme was Predacons/Beast Hunters, which they integrated into Prime, Construct-Bots, and Kre-O.PrymeStriker wrote:And in the case of Dinosaurs, this is really nothing new. Dino Transformers are becoming a worn out concept right now, and it's ridiculously annoying to see that Rescue Bots is following suit. Especially considering that I've been waiting for something interesting to happen with the series.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Couldn't Unicron's power alone have been enough to augment Megatron's body to suit Unicron's purposes sufficiently enough without the addition of the cosmetic alterations he gave to it? After all, the most changes he made to the body that fulfilled any real sort of function to Unicron were the energy-based weaponry that he generated from Megatron's hands, which weren't components of the host body but rather products of Unicron's own emanation.PrymeStriker wrote:Yes, it was necessary. He needed to upgrade Megatron's simplistic body so that it was a more powerful vessel to carry out his schemes.
Megs was travelling through space in his pre-Unicron body seemingly under his own power looking for Dark Energon at the beginning of the series.PrymeStriker wrote:I'm also sure it had something to do with travelling faster through space.
Right, the changes occurred because the story's events demanded it, regardless of any logic or necessity for it to happen to these characters as persons rather than as instruments of the plot.PrymeStriker wrote:Circumstances from the plotline being followed at the time have been put forward as obstacles that the upgrades could overcome. There weren't any kind of overly-convenient roadblocks that were shoved into the story for the new models, even though they were last-minute additions.
(and being a vital component to the epic of all epics season 4 finale)
So again, who's to say that they won't make good, wise use of these new dino forms to enhance the story and characters?
Well, the way I see it, it's Hasbro trying to be consistent across their various 2014 lines like they were in 2013. 2014's theme is Dinosaurs, so they put them in AOE, Construct-Bots, Kre-O, and now Rescue Bots. In 2013, the theme was Predacons/Beast Hunters, which they integrated into Prime, Construct-Bots, and Kre-O.
Though there were still Dinobots in other pre-2014 media, their heavy focus seemed to be a product of the fandom's longtime starvation for all five of the original Dinobots to return in some fashion, which began with FOC bringing them back fully into the fold, but in media appearances only since we only got Grimlock as a toy. People have been begging for new toys of all five for years, and now 2014 finally gives us some and then some, making this a really big deal for many.
Yes, the Dinobots are a big thing now, maybe even too big, but we just have to grin and bear it as the celebration of the Terrible Lizards plays out for the rest of the year, until we switch over to a new theme of Combiners for 2015 (along with one lingering Dinobot in the new RiD cartoon, but it's just one--and he'll be green!--so that should be enough to bear).
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Though, it looks like that clip was an edited version since the events of the actual episode play out a bit differently here.Mr. Bunty is eating his lunch when Cody appears out of nowhere through a portal to grab a misplaced soccer ball. He retrieves it and brings it back through the portal to continue their game of Rescue Ball, in which there are no rules. Everyone, Bots, Burnses, Greenes, even Trex are playing. Chief gets a call. Mayor Luskey tried to drive over the destroyed Franklin Bridge. The team saves him, but he seems to be suffering from some long term memory loss.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Flashwave wrote:
Why did they skip a bunch of eps?
Really not sure I agree that this should've worked. I get they did it to prove the Rescue Bots are living things, but Cybertronian and human physiologies ought to be radically different. (With the exception of the Cybertron series minicons...) Then again, it's arguable Morocco got ahold of enough information to modify his device. I don't get why he must be so evil. The man just invented four seperate fully working protoype trasforming rescue vehicles. He could actually, and legitamitely, be filthy stinkin' rich by selling them. And modifying for the needs of any... certain clients *cough*MECH*Cough* so why is he so hellben on going the long way about it. This is like crawling through the window to unlock the door to let yourself in...And using the memory erasing device (note, my own term), he erased Blades' memories.
Who knows. Only one that's made sense so far was "Walk on the Wild Side" being held back to air on Earth Day. "A Virtual Disaster" aired a week late for reasons unknown, and now two more are held back for just as mysterious reasons.Flashwave wrote:Rebumping an old question:Flashwave wrote:
Why did they skip a bunch of eps?
I've been wondering if this finale could be the moment of truth in which their cover is fully blown and exposed to the public.Flashwave wrote:Enjoying this show quite a bit now, although I've noticed quite a few moments where they've gone askew of the "Robots in diisguise" bit to show characterizaion of the Rescue Bots, but how has NO ONE on the isloand figured it out yet, there's been too many times where a guard should have slipped, and Heatwave pointing his hand at the Burns ought to be one of them.
Yeah, for all these townsfolk know, the Bots acting against Burns family orders at the end of this one could just be viewed as a sign of them "malfunctioning".Flashwave wrote:Then again, it wouldn't be tthe first time in an hour tech goes rogue on this island...
To be frank, I wasn't really that impressed by the Phase Shifter what with the whole "phasing through solid objective" technology being so commonly used in fiction. That Doc made his own kind of device that could do this is hardly that surprising to me, so for the Phase Shifter to be viewed as so extra special by the Cybertronians could mean that they're just really easy to impress or something.Flashwave wrote:As was pointed out somewhere else: So, basically, Doc Greene just pulled off one of the most pwerful MaGuffins the Ancient Primes ever came up with, Smokescreen's pahse shifter, and mass-produced it. Gotta wonder if he got Autobot help on the design. We know he's been collaberating with Boulder...
Well, based on how well his MorBot performed back in his two-part debut episodes, chances are his four fake Rescue Bots are of some pretty substandard quality and possibly prone to malfunction. After all, the AI personality programs he put into there were pretty faulty, failing to imitate the actual personalities of the real ones.Flashwave wrote:I don't get why he must be so evil. The man just invented four seperate fully working protoype trasforming rescue vehicles. He could actually, and legitamitely, be filthy stinkin' rich by selling them.
Well, to be fair, by this point in the timeline, MECH isn't doing so hot, what with its leader rendered crippled and comatose.Flashwave wrote:And modifying for the needs of any... certain clients *cough*MECH*Cough* so why is he so hellben on going the long way about it. This is like crawling through the window to unlock the door to let yourself in...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
El Duque wrote:Hasbro Studios has released a teaser for Transformers: Rescue Bots Season 3. Check out the cast in their Dino modes in the clip embedded below.
He still had his boat mode in the short animatic shown at BotCon for episode 1 of season 3, so it's possible that he continues to keep it.Archanubis wrote:So does this mean Heatwave is a quadchanger or does he lose his boat mode?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Hopefully they know what they're doing since the makers of this show have been keeping track of the timeline via a chart that maps out when each Rescue Bots episode takes place in relation to TF: Prime's episodes.TulioDude wrote:WHile the Dinossaur modes are cool,I wonder how it will work along the larger context of the aligned continuity.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Hopefully they know what they're doing since the makers of this show have been keeping track of the timeline via a chart that maps out when each Rescue Bots episode takes place in relation to TF: Prime's episodes.TulioDude wrote:WHile the Dinossaur modes are cool,I wonder how it will work along the larger context of the aligned continuity.
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One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Yuppers.TulioDude wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Hopefully they know what they're doing since the makers of this show have been keeping track of the timeline via a chart that maps out when each Rescue Bots episode takes place in relation to TF: Prime's episodes.TulioDude wrote:WHile the Dinossaur modes are cool,I wonder how it will work along the larger context of the aligned continuity.
Really?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
I just retuned my Feeview TV and noticed that a channel called POP (+1) has appeared and while scanning the listing noticed that Transformers Rescue Bots is on at 9:30 am until 10:00am
and again at 4pm until 4:30 pm and then again at 6:30pm until 7pm.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Yeah, it's only the first one that isn't new, but it is new to the YouTube channel that posted it (I guess it was Hasbro Studios' YouTube channel that posted it before).Va'al wrote:The YouTube channel lists them all as new (posted on 15th OCtober) - I was unable to check our own news feed to compare previous posts. Apologies for the misnaming and misleading, entirely unintentional!
Will do.Va'al wrote:What I would ask, though, is for users to point out this type of news error either via PM or email to the author of the post (rather than in the thread), so we are able to change the news as quickly as possible to ensure it's correct.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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