kaijuguy19 wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:NuclearConvoy wrote:Sabrblade wrote:NuclearConvoy wrote:Oh, and speaking of Predacons in Prime, it does sort of confuse me that they can link the Prime plot to this plot and sudden;y have like dozens of different kinds of animalistic Decepticon subspecies and yet, in the Prime cartoon, it seemed absolutely baffling to them that any Cybertronian life could have been so animalistic...
Cybertron was a dead world by the time of Prime, so it's couldn't support a whole host of wildlife by that point. The only fauna that we saw to still be alive on the planet were a bunch of Scraplets and at least one Insecticon. Though, Arcee, did mention "vermin", suggesting there could have been other creepy crawlies roaming the planet at the time, but not many.
But after the planet was revived, it was hospitable again and could support life once more, including Cybertronian animals.
And there was Soundwave's avian Minicon Deployer Laserbeak in the show, too.
Sure, but then how much farther in the future is this supposed to be set? Or, alternatively, how long have these Decepticons been kept in stasis in prison? etc.
If we take this as a completely new series that only throws odd references to the past at the viewer then it doesn't matter, but if it is a true sequel to Prime and WFC/FOC then it is truly confusing.
Am I asking too much from Children's programming? Possibly.
But there were more animals on Cybertron before it went dark. The Well created a whole bunch during the Age of Evolution. And after the planet was dead, they couldn't survive anymore.
And not all of the Decepticons in this show have been said to be full on animals. Steeljaw's only wolf aspects are his head and tail. The rest of his body is like any ordinary bipedal Cybertronian.
And some of them might not even originally be from Cybertron. Like Hammerstrike, for instance. Though he was on Cybertron at some previous point, his being a Sharkticon means that he (or his ancestry) would have to have originally been from Aquatron, the Sharkticons' homeworld.
You're putting too much thought into this Sabre, nobody on this show knows or cares about what the Covenant says, just like the author of the Covenant didn't care about what everything else in the universe was doing.
They have ideas for something, and they will execute them pre-established continuity or rules be damned. So no, they likely don't know about Sharkticons originating from Aquatron in Aligned, they just know that the term Sharkticon is something that's old and popular and went with that. Same logic behind Grimlock or anything else in this show, or any other part of this "Continuity".
A shame, because had the show not been sold to us as part of Aligned and the sequel to Prime, I would have enjoyed the humor in this.
Don't you think you're just jumping to conclusions too quickly? We're only 9 episodes into the series so we still have plenty of time to see how RID15 connects to the algined universe assuming that it won't get canned. Also you can't assume the writers don't know or care about the pre-established continuity without any proof to back it up with. As for the tone of the series why is having it more light hearted such a bad thing? Isn't it better that Hasbro keeps bringing more vareity into their shows? If they all retain the same general tone people will get bored real quick.
I'm not jumping to conclusions too quick. It's the result of experience.
I read the first novel, gave up on that because the author of it either didn't care enough or is just plain sh+t at writing to stay concistant with itself let alone the other fiction it was supposed to connect to.
I read the comics, the first one, the much touted prequel to Prime was later contradicted by an episode of the show, an episode written by the same guy that wrote the comic.
The Covenant of Primus then went ahead and contradicted the rest even more, heck it doesn't even know what evolution is and uses it as a fancy word for creationism. So while the Prime show set up the Transformers as having evolved and the characters having aged and matured, note how Ratchet and Prime comment on not being as young as they used to, the book establishes them as having been that way even when the Predacons were still alive. Heck, I have no idea how the Predacons are supposed to have become extinct in the first place, it even describes how the Well just produced a dublicate whenever something died to keep the numbers up.
This show is by the same people that worked on Prime and the aligned comics. Scott even made a name for herself writing the Dinobot centric comics, which were supposedly their way of including the Dinobots in the cartoon cannon. Yet is there any sign here? Nobody knows who Grimlock is? Not even BB or Sideswipe who faught alongside him during the war?
Yes the tonal shift is a problem, I'm not saying this show has to be as grimdark as Prime, but it just feels far too disconnected. Prime took itself seriously and didn't have stuff like robots with muscles. It had its fair share of fun and comedy, and light heartedness, but this is too far removed from Prime. This is like billing the original TMNT show as a sequel to the 2002 series.
And I'm sick of this excuse of "keeping it fresh" so "it won't become stale". I'm tired of having to get used to all new designs and esthetic and tones every two years because god help us if there was any kind of consistently people would loose interest. I'm sick of that. I've long stopped buying the toys because I know that I will never be able to get all the characters I like in plastic form because Hasbro will lose interest half way through and restart with something brand new.
Then they start this media thing and state that they want to be like Marvel and be also known for stories and rich franchizes, so now we'll get a coherent TF universe with actual continuity for us to be invested in just that that's not what we have at all.
They said they want to be like Marvel, but completely ignore or don't understand what ames Marvel Marvel. Marvel's been keeping up a mostly coherent continuity since 1962, or even 193something taking Captain America and Namor into account. There we have consistency, a coherent universe that progresses naturally, we get invested in that. If Marvel keept restarting every two to three years and never finished anything properly, would people stay invested? Hell no.
I'm not invested in Transformers anymore, I still read the idw comics, but mostly necause MTMTE is so good, but I know I won't be reading the comics forever, sooner or later we'll get another AHM that breaks it again. I collect MP, because there I get characters I care for without having to fear that the last few will be cancelled to amke way for the new line that's incompatible.
Even Lego manages to tell a coherent and consistent story while shilling their products.