Wouldn't be the first time.william-james88 wrote:Thats like saying this guy is just G1 Optimus Prime with Optimus Primal's head
Wouldn't be the first time.william-james88 wrote:Thats like saying this guy is just G1 Optimus Prime with Optimus Primal's head
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:But how do we even know that he's going to break his vow of silence to the point of him going back to speaking regularly, instead of simply remaining a bot of few words? It was only one brief little line that we heard in the trailer, not a swath of chatterbox dialogue. Everyone here who says he's gone back to speaking at length like every other character is jumping to conclusions without fully knowing all of the facts yet.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Uhh...Deadput wrote:I can't believe were only seeing Bludgeon maybe getting a spot on a show now it's crazy to think someone as popular as him has not been used that much.
Can we get more of stuff like him and Twinferno you know characters who have never actually been in a English speaking show?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:
This is G1 Soundwave
It looks nothing like this
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Sabrblade wrote:Uhh...Deadput wrote:I can't believe were only seeing Bludgeon maybe getting a spot on a show now it's crazy to think someone as popular as him has not been used that much.
Can we get more of stuff like him and Twinferno you know characters who have never actually been in a English speaking show?
Yes, that counts as a show.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
It still counts, nonetheless. Just cuz it was bad doesn't negate it. I mean, people don't pretend that no one ever appeared in Energon despite that show being awful. We're not that willfully blind.Deadput wrote:Sure if you want to be specific but that was a rather bad web series
Dude was in three episodes, which is more than some of other the Cons from that show got.Deadput wrote:with one appearance from him
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It still counts, nonetheless. Just cuz it was bad doesn't negate it. I mean, people don't pretend that no one ever appeared in Energon despite that show being awful. We're not that willfully blind.Dude was in three episodes, which is more than some of other the Cons from that show got.Deadput wrote:with one appearance from him
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Or how "memorable" the show itself was.Deadput wrote:Also me forgetting him being in those other two episodes sure do show how much of an impact he left.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Or how "memorable" the show itself was.Deadput wrote:Also me forgetting him being in those other two episodes sure do show how much of an impact he left.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Kurona wrote:Oh come on WJ, seriously? It's extremely clear that it's modelled after and is meant to evoke the G1 version of the character in colour scheme, design elements and other such traits to cash in on nostalgia. I don't even have to make guesswork here when that is literally what they say in interviews and design process videos.
I think people are upset not because they changed Soundwave's look at all, but more that the new look is too drastic a change to his look. Soundwave's look in Prime was a unique design among most Soundwave designs, being sleek, nimble, and overall stealthy with an almost ninja-like quality to it. There's really no other Soundwave design quite like it. But his new design is, by stark contrast, a rather boxy, bruisin, hulking figure that is the polar opposite of Soundwave's Prime design, despite the two looks intending to be for the same character. Not helping thing further is how Soundwave even reappeared in a Season 2 episode not too long ago with the exact same design he had in Prime completely unchanged, making his sudden new look feel even more jarring since the likes of Bumblebee, Optimus, Starscream, etc. all started out by being in their new looks from the get-go. And further unlike Soundwave, all of those characters' new designs stayed true to the spirit of their previous looks and the kind of characters they each were before and are now. Whereas Soundwave's new hulking physique, one could argue, completely betrays the silent ninja-like veneer he had before (even in the Season 2 episode), as it instead evokes the sense of his being a macho brawler, which isn't what this Soundwave is supposed to call to mind.william-james88 wrote:I dont know why you or others are flustered with Prime Soundwave changing since Prime is over. Bumblebee changed design, so did Starscream and so did Optimus Prime, I fail to see why Soundwave cant be a new design as well. It doesnt take away from anything, its not like Hasbro went to everyone's house and replaced their Prime Soundwave toys with this one or went to change all appearance of Prime Soundwave in the Prime cartoon and inserted this new design instead.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Va'al wrote:But RID is a sequel to Prime, and in RID we saw Soundwave look like this:
No one is saying he shouldn't get a new look at all. The thing people take issue with Soundwave's new look is how drastically the new look clashes with his previous look that he still had not too long ago.william-james88 wrote:Va'al wrote:But RID is a sequel to Prime, and in RID we saw Soundwave look like this:
Like i said, I am looking at this from a toyline perspective. New line, new look, new toy. Its my response to every argument regarding this character/toy. Do people want them to rerelease the older Prime toy? Plus, why cant soundwave get a new body too, like Starscream did?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:No one is saying he shouldn't get a new look at all. The thing people take issue with Soundwave's new look is how drastically the new look clashes with his previous look that he still had not too long ago.william-james88 wrote:Va'al wrote:But RID is a sequel to Prime, and in RID we saw Soundwave look like this:
Like i said, I am looking at this from a toyline perspective. New line, new look, new toy. Its my response to every argument regarding this character/toy. Do people want them to rerelease the older Prime toy? Plus, why cant soundwave get a new body too, like Starscream did?
Kurona wrote:Still, I think I got a little too heated earlier, so I apologise.
I dunno, I thought Fire Convoy was pretty cool.william-james88 wrote:You know who wouldnt be in a top 5 fictional takes on Optimus list? RID Optimus Prime.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:Kurona wrote:Still, I think I got a little too heated earlier, so I apologise.
No worries, and I apologise as well since I didnt realize this was the cartoon thread and not the toy thread so my opinion of judging it in a vacum of a seperate toyline doesnt really add anything to a conversation on fiction.
But now you guys got me thinking that toys and their fictional counterparts can be in seperate vacums and that now gives me a whole new dimension to possible lists.
Like Bumblebee and Soundwave, who have different interpratations depending on the media they are on.
You know who wouldnt be in a top 5 fictional takes on Optimus list? RID Optimus Prime.
Kurona wrote:I can already think of Animated Lockdown, MTMTE Ultra Magnus and indeed TFP Soundwave for that category.
Va'al wrote:Sabrblade wrote:No one is saying he shouldn't get a new look at all. The thing people take issue with Soundwave's new look is how drastically the new look clashes with his previous look that he still had not too long ago.william-james88 wrote:Va'al wrote:But RID is a sequel to Prime, and in RID we saw Soundwave look like this:
Like i said, I am looking at this from a toyline perspective. New line, new look, new toy. Its my response to every argument regarding this character/toy. Do people want them to rerelease the older Prime toy? Plus, why cant soundwave get a new body too, like Starscream did?
Ding ding ding.
An opinion which is perfectly allowed. It does not detract from the toy being good, if it is, and does not make the toy automatically bad, if it is. But it is a reasonable complaint people might - and do - have.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
william-james88 wrote:Va'al wrote:But RID is a sequel to Prime, and in RID we saw Soundwave look like this:
Like i said, I am looking at this from a toyline perspective. New line, new look, new toy. Its my response to every argument regarding this character/toy. Do people want them to rerelease the older Prime toy? Plus, why cant soundwave get a new body too, like Starscream did? And regarldess of it being a sequel it doesnt harm the original for fans who liked it. Is that Darth Vader scene at the end of Rogue One any less cool because that guy was once a crying Hayden Christiansen?
And, continuity wise, Soundwave had to be unchanged in that episode since he cant change body in the phantom zone (or wahtever they called it). But looks like he got out and got a new body.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:william-james88 wrote:Va'al wrote:But RID is a sequel to Prime, and in RID we saw Soundwave look like this:
Like i said, I am looking at this from a toyline perspective. New line, new look, new toy. Its my response to every argument regarding this character/toy. Do people want them to rerelease the older Prime toy? Plus, why cant soundwave get a new body too, like Starscream did? And regarldess of it being a sequel it doesnt harm the original for fans who liked it. Is that Darth Vader scene at the end of Rogue One any less cool because that guy was once a crying Hayden Christiansen?
And, continuity wise, Soundwave had to be unchanged in that episode since he cant change body in the phantom zone (or wahtever they called it). But looks like he got out and got a new body.
They don't have to make a new toy of him you know.
If they can't have him be a major character without reverting them into G1 and losing all the originality they had before then they could just use someone else.
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