The Energon Pub

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:11 pm

Bouncy X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Bouncy X wrote:okay then its one of the other two as i mentioned it could be.
But it didn't have any companion series. It was standalone.

there were a few one season series that came out around that time all from japan....so one of those had the terrible cel shaded animation. maybe it wasn't RID but its one of those. i think one was called Armada...not sure if thats the one but its one of that little gang.

Armada wasn't CGI either. Energon and Cybertron were, though, and their CGI (or at least Energon's) was terrible (Cybertron's wasn't too bad).

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:31 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Bouncy X wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Bouncy X wrote:okay then its one of the other two as i mentioned it could be.
But it didn't have any companion series. It was standalone.

there were a few one season series that came out around that time all from japan....so one of those had the terrible cel shaded animation. maybe it wasn't RID but its one of those. i think one was called Armada...not sure if thats the one but its one of that little gang.
Armada wasn't CGI either. Energon and Cybertron were, though, and their CGI (or at least Energon's) was terrible (Cybertron's wasn't too bad).

Yeah, I am pretty sure he is talking about the Unicron trilogy shows, especially Energon and Cybertron (and unicron trilogy did come right after the original RID). And I think he means Cybertron more than the rest since it was really cell shaded. I had problems with Cybertron but it was more in the way it was made. The visuals were great but I didnt like the animation method where things would slow down before hitting eachother and then have a bursts of light. But that is stylistic, and very much the way other Japanese anime shows are. As someone who grew up on Beast Wars smooth animation, I much preffer this kind.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:05 pm

Bouncy X wrote:digging the animation, it looks to be cel shaded CGI for the bots themselves. if so, it shows how much time is kind to technology because i remember seeing just a few minutes of the original RID (or one of the other two companion series) and the animatime was atrocious and blocky in its movement.

these guys here are smooth as butter. and if its just regular old cel animation then even more kudos to the animators!!

It's not a matter of "how far we've come" since Energon and Cybertron had terrible animation for their day. Even Beast Wars had vastly superior animation, and that was ten years older.

by **psj333** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:23 pm

You know, I've just recently viewed several of the new clips from Hasbro. During the viewing, when Terrashock is flipping over, I noticed that the back of his head represents the windshield, and his arms as sidedoors, and the chest as headlights, bumper, and grille. Based on his design, will he be some type of a Cybertronian van of sorts? Also, upon viewing Grimlock, it seems to me that he just recently picked up a vehicle mode that resembles a futuristic military truck. Since Grimlock only comes in beast mode, will his vehicle mode make its way for the toyline sometime in the near future?

News Credits: 1 · by **YRQRM0** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:41 pm

As others have mentioned the animation does look nice compared to things like Energon and Cybertron (though I loved the anime effects and style of Cybertron), but I still don't like it as a whole. This show seems like it's aimed at a very young audience, but maybe I'm just getting old.

by **Avensis-Mahiya** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:25 am

I'm not a huge fan of Bumblebee due to how uninteresting I think he is. I never really saw him as main character/leader material, and I honestly think that RiD2015 is just the creators trying to shove him into a role he isn't suited for, but maybe Hell will freeze over and I might change my mind about him.

Here's to hoping that the show exceeds my expectations.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:52 am

YRQRM0 wrote:This show seems like it's aimed at a very young audience, but maybe I'm just getting old.

Is it because of how bright and colorful the show seems compared to Prime? Family Guy is even more bright and colorful than both, but that's the last thing to be called "aimed at a very young audience".

by **psj333** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:36 am

What vehicle mode does Terrashock really turn into? According to Hasbro, it seems that Grimlock has just recently picked up a vehicle mode for transportation, that is a futuristic military truck. Will Grimlock's truck mode be inserted into the Robots In Disguise 2015 sometime in the near future?

News Credits: 1 · by **YRQRM0** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:59 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
YRQRM0 wrote:This show seems like it's aimed at a very young audience, but maybe I'm just getting old.
Is it because of how bright and colorful the show seems compared to Prime? Family Guy is even more bright and colorful than both, but that's the last thing to be called "aimed at a very young audience".

That, and the facial expressions, designs of the cons, the fact that the cons seem to all be goofy looking and acting and not actually very evil or dark. Prime was on the darker side for sure, but this seems more kid-friendly than say, Cybertron or Armada.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:09 pm

YRQRM0 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
YRQRM0 wrote:This show seems like it's aimed at a very young audience, but maybe I'm just getting old.
Is it because of how bright and colorful the show seems compared to Prime? Family Guy is even more bright and colorful than both, but that's the last thing to be called "aimed at a very young audience".

That, and the facial expressions, designs of the cons, the fact that the cons seem to all be goofy looking and acting and not actually very evil or dark. Prime was on the darker side for sure, but this seems more kid-friendly than say, Cybertron or Armada.

And what does "kid-friendly" have to do with how enjoyable something is for adults?

Batman: The Animated Series was more kid-friendly than Prime was, yet many adults enjoy that.

News Credits: 1 · by **YRQRM0** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:26 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
YRQRM0 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
YRQRM0 wrote:This show seems like it's aimed at a very young audience, but maybe I'm just getting old.
Is it because of how bright and colorful the show seems compared to Prime? Family Guy is even more bright and colorful than both, but that's the last thing to be called "aimed at a very young audience".

That, and the facial expressions, designs of the cons, the fact that the cons seem to all be goofy looking and acting and not actually very evil or dark. Prime was on the darker side for sure, but this seems more kid-friendly than say, Cybertron or Armada.
And what does "kid-friendly" have to do with how enjoyable something is for adults?

Batman: The Animated Series was more kid-friendly than Prime was, yet many adults enjoy that.

It definitely says nothing about how enjoyable it can be for adults. I see how my post implied that that's why I don't like it as a whole so far, but that's not what I meant.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:41 am

Sabrblade wrote:Batman: The Animated Series was more kid-friendly than Prime was, yet many adults enjoy that.

Unless you're mistaking that with Brave and the Bold, it was most certainly not more "kid friendly."

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:03 am

Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Batman: The Animated Series was more kid-friendly than Prime was, yet many adults enjoy that.

Unless you're mistaking that with Brave and the Bold, it was most certainly not more "kid friendly."

I don't recall BTAS having gore in many of its episodes, like Prime did.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:47 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Batman: The Animated Series was more kid-friendly than Prime was, yet many adults enjoy that.

Unless you're mistaking that with Brave and the Bold, it was most certainly not more "kid friendly."
I don't recall BTAS having gore in many of its episodes, like Prime did.

And now you're confusing Transformers Prime with Attack on Titan. When in the hell did they have gore on Transformers Prime? Note that broken robots don't count as gore, which is why it was allowed on the show.

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:18 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Batman: The Animated Series was more kid-friendly than Prime was, yet many adults enjoy that.

Unless you're mistaking that with Brave and the Bold, it was most certainly not more "kid friendly."
I don't recall BTAS having gore in many of its episodes, like Prime did.

And now you're confusing Transformers Prime with Attack on Titan. When in the hell did they have gore on Transformers Prime? Note that broken robots don't count as gore, which is why it was allowed on the show.

Specieist !!! [-(

News Credits: 15 · by **PrymeStriker** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:26 pm

Shadowman wrote:Note that broken robots don't count as gore, which is why it was allowed on the show.

Broken robots don't count.

Aliens having their intestines pulled out of their navels count, though. >:oP

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:08 am

PrymeStriker wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Note that broken robots don't count as gore, which is why it was allowed on the show.

Broken robots don't count.

Aliens having their intestines pulled out of their navels count, though.

Yep.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:28 am

PrymeStriker wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Note that broken robots don't count as gore, which is why it was allowed on the show.

Broken robots don't count.

Aliens having their intestines pulled out of their navels count, though.

Alien robots, though, are still robots. Hence why the term "Robots in disguise" has been used in the franchise since day 1, and is the title of this very thread.

Sabrblade wrote:Yep.

Yeah, I knew ahead of time that's what you'd show me. And when I made my previous post, I also plotted out my rebuttal: Please explain to me how that isn't a picture of two robots fighting. And keep in mind one of them is an Autobot.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:47 am

Shadowman wrote:Yeah, I knew ahead of time that's what you'd show me. And when I made my previous post, I also plotted out my rebuttal: Please explain to me how that isn't a picture of two robots fighting. And keep in mind one of them is an Autobot.

They're still living biological lifeforms with minds, wills, and souls of their own, who can think, feel, emote, and suffer pain and fatigue like we can. Even if theirs is a silicon-based physicality rather than a carbon-based one, their existence (in the show) is no less artificial than that of humanity.

And I've never condoned Bulkhead's brutality in that scene. It's bad enough to see the "heroes" be so savage in the movies.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:55 pm

Okay, so people have been wondering about the scratch marks on Steeljaw's

insignia, wondering if they could be something like the scratched out

on Armada Wheeljack, or if they're just meant to make him look vicious.

Turns out it's neither.

According to those who went ahead and watched some of the Chinese episodes, the marks are Steeljaw's own personal insignia. When he gets another Decepticon to join the army that he's putting together, he scratches their

insignia to show that they're on his team now.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:53 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:Yeah, I knew ahead of time that's what you'd show me. And when I made my previous post, I also plotted out my rebuttal: Please explain to me how that isn't a picture of two robots fighting. And keep in mind one of them is an Autobot.
They're still living biological lifeforms with minds, wills, and souls of their own, who can think, feel, emote, and suffer pain and fatigue like we can. Even if theirs is a silicon-based physicality rather than a carbon-based one, their existence (in the show) is no less artificial than that of humanity.

And I've never condoned Bulkhead's brutality in that scene. It's bad enough to see the "heroes" be so savage in the movies.

They're still robots and nothing in your post actually claims otherwise. Hell, the term Autobot means "Autonomous Robot" according to Optimus. Being biological is never stated outright in any media. (In the movies, even, recall that Megatron is specifically referred to as "Non-biological Extraterrestrial")

So please, if you have any actual argument that the Robots in Disguise are not actually Robots, then by all means, share it.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:10 pm

Shadowman wrote:They're still robots and nothing in your post actually claims otherwise. Hell, the term Autobot means "Autonomous Robot" according to Optimus.

Optimus's exact words were "We are Autonomous Robotic Organisms from the planet Cybertron, also known as Autobots."

They are robots who are organisms.

Shadowman wrote:Being biological is never stated outright in any media. (In the movies, even, recall that Megatron is specifically referred to as "Non-biological Extraterrestrial")

"Now, a T-Cog isn't technology. It is biology. Which means it will reject any power source, other than energon. Energon is the fuel, the ammunition, and the life-blood of all Cybertronians, whatever their affiliation." (Starscream, episode 30, "Operation Bumblebee, Part 1")

So please, if you have any actual argument that the Robots in Disguise are not actually Robots, then by all means, share it.

I never said that they weren't robots. But they aren't robots in the same sense that, say, ASIMO is a robot.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:14 pm

Sabrblade wrote:They are robots

Which is why that "gore" was allowed on TV; if it's robots, it's not really gore, just broken machinery. You can argue the semantics all you like, it won't change that.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:27 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:They are robots

Which is why that "gore" was allowed on TV; if it's robots, it's not really gore, just broken machinery. You can argue the semantics all you like, it won't change that.

They're still people having their innards graphically torn out of their bodies, which still counts as a form of gore, regardless of what the narrow-minded Cable TV execs think.

The folks at the CW likewise felt that it was too graphic to show onscreen, and so cut that whole sequence out during that episode's airing on that channel.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:56 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:They are robots

Which is why that "gore" was allowed on TV; if it's robots, it's not really gore, just broken machinery. You can argue the semantics all you like, it won't change that.
They're still people having their innards graphically torn out of their bodies

No, they're robots having mechanical components being ripped out.

Sabrblade wrote:The folks at the CW likewise felt that it was too graphic to show onscreen, and so cut that whole sequence out during that episode's airing on that channel.

I seem to recall you mentioning the CW broadcast removing a lot of content, not all of which was omitted due to simple subject matter.