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Phaze wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:alldarker wrote:Nah, at the end of the day it's not about XP or gains or winning some pissing match. I'm having fun with this, hoping not to get TOO serious, but I like a scrap. You know, I can be all things to all men (and especially to all women). It was always about contesting your claim that YOU were THE Autobot Saviour: I wasn't even after the title until it got turned into a poll... I just don't like being led; call it spirit or stubbornness or even pigheadedness... And like you I don't mind biting the troll-bait if necessary.
Now that I have enough time to make a more thoughtout post.
Savior does not equal leader. Or at least not defacto leader. If people follow a savior, it's because they agree with what that person says.
I don't take this stuff seriously (or at least I don't when I'm not depressed) but I will admit, I do get pissed when you do things like call out Zordon, claiming his bots are weak and need to level down and blahblahblah. And I didn't like when you pulled the "You can't post that here, that's not good enough" on the high scores thread.
All that said, I've gotta go see Calanderman in Arkham City. It's one of the days you need to talk to him.
or you could just set the ps3 or xbox's date manually to the dates and get it out the way in under an hour
Absolute Zero wrote:Phaze wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:alldarker wrote:Nah, at the end of the day it's not about XP or gains or winning some pissing match. I'm having fun with this, hoping not to get TOO serious, but I like a scrap. You know, I can be all things to all men (and especially to all women). It was always about contesting your claim that YOU were THE Autobot Saviour: I wasn't even after the title until it got turned into a poll... I just don't like being led; call it spirit or stubbornness or even pigheadedness... And like you I don't mind biting the troll-bait if necessary.
Now that I have enough time to make a more thoughtout post.
Savior does not equal leader. Or at least not defacto leader. If people follow a savior, it's because they agree with what that person says.
I don't take this stuff seriously (or at least I don't when I'm not depressed) but I will admit, I do get pissed when you do things like call out Zordon, claiming his bots are weak and need to level down and blahblahblah. And I didn't like when you pulled the "You can't post that here, that's not good enough" on the high scores thread.
All that said, I've gotta go see Calanderman in Arkham City. It's one of the days you need to talk to him.
or you could just set the ps3 or xbox's date manually to the dates and get it out the way in under an hour
Yeah, I know you can do that, but since I beat the game now, I need a reason to hang onto it. Aside from running around in the Beyond outfit.
_Anshin_ wrote:Wait. How do you change outfits?
alldarker wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:alldarker wrote:Steve2275 - "God of Transformers"
10's on ALL stats with XP to spare... You bet he was pissed off when the crash happened, more than most. Definitely someone to look up to.
He wasn't the only one. Sprokitz and Snapcase did too.
That's true... I'll admit to being small-fry back then, but it was always fun to be in a mission with those guys, not just getting your own hits, but just seeing them rack up the XP counts. With a repairer in the mix, these guys were sometimes racking in 250,000+ XP per mission, if I remember correctly. Anyone know what the record XP haul was back then?
Phaze wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:Phaze wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:alldarker wrote:Nah, at the end of the day it's not about XP or gains or winning some pissing match. I'm having fun with this, hoping not to get TOO serious, but I like a scrap. You know, I can be all things to all men (and especially to all women). It was always about contesting your claim that YOU were THE Autobot Saviour: I wasn't even after the title until it got turned into a poll... I just don't like being led; call it spirit or stubbornness or even pigheadedness... And like you I don't mind biting the troll-bait if necessary.
Now that I have enough time to make a more thoughtout post.
Savior does not equal leader. Or at least not defacto leader. If people follow a savior, it's because they agree with what that person says.
I don't take this stuff seriously (or at least I don't when I'm not depressed) but I will admit, I do get pissed when you do things like call out Zordon, claiming his bots are weak and need to level down and blahblahblah. And I didn't like when you pulled the "You can't post that here, that's not good enough" on the high scores thread.
All that said, I've gotta go see Calanderman in Arkham City. It's one of the days you need to talk to him.
or you could just set the ps3 or xbox's date manually to the dates and get it out the way in under an hour
Yeah, I know you can do that, but since I beat the game now, I need a reason to hang onto it. Aside from running around in the Beyond outfit.
you finished game plus?
_Anshin_ wrote:Wait. How do you change outfits?
_Anshin_ wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:You must not pay attention at all to this game. *shakes head* I might have to take a month off if Anshin wins our race.
Ok, this isn't exactly rocket science, but follow me here. If you have more XP, you gain more XP. It's pretty simple. More XP means more upgrades/more condensed upgrades, means better performance. It's effectively why a strong configuration will typically beat out a fast configuration. It's the way the game has always worked. That and the RNG will from time to time alternate between dumping on you, and making you a hero. If you haven't figured this part out by now, then you probably never will.
So if I understand your logic, Fast builds = More XP but Solid builds = Faster More XP?
See, I hate to say it... but I am honestly confused with your logic on this. Normally I keep up with what you are both (AD and AZ) are saying, but this seems to be circular logic with me. Darq and Gauntlet (our little race) have a huge difference in XP. However we have relatively the same amount of upgrades (One two points from 8 for me and one to put you into 8 ). That said and done Gauntlet just passed Anshin who was level 6 up till Friday morning when I accidentally clicked on an upgrade thinking it was the calculator. Last I checked he was 200k ahead of Anshin who would have been 9 upgrades behind him in a condensed upgrade (solid build). So when we started our little game on Monday with your logic Anshin should have always out paced Gauntlet due to more XP except that Gauntlet is a level higher so he should have gotten more XP which negates the more XP that Anshin had and now negates the XP that Darq generates because you are a higher amount of upgrades than Darq?![]()
Either way I say we take this to the AZ/AD thread and leave this for the Mini Games comments.
_Anshin_ wrote:Sorry would have responded sooner but server melted down and I can't type worth crap from my phone.
First thanks for responding to me here and being diplomatic about it. For some reason I think you took what I wrote to you as a jab (or maybe I read your response wrong). It wasn't. I see both sides of the argument, even though I've got my foot firmly planted on one side.
With that being said, ROS feeds off of N_V, and for the most part from what I have read has always done so (Even level partners and such). Sure he bottleknecks up certain areas and even comes through because of his higher level dominance.
Your argument is that you are moving up levels to get the chance to pull more XP off of higher level targets. AD's argument (at least I think it is) is that your able to pull more xp off of your proper level targets. Moving to higher levels with "Fast" builds typically ends up with more wipes and random high hits. So long story short, you take the look of "Gotta play big to win big" and his is "Slow and steady wins the race". Both are valid play styles. However, this is where your argument lost me in the other thread. You claim he is able to pull more XP just because he has more XP and has been able to build strong characters. That I will agree with. However you are also saying that in the same statement that you are able to pull more XP with faster builds even though you have less XP and that you would be able to do more if you had his XP.
My point was to make was that Darq who is 1 point behind your speed build is the same level as Gauntlet. Darq has double of Gauntlet's XP but doesn't choke out the missions that he shares with Gauntlet. In fact most times we are trading spots in terms of who earns more XP. This has nothing to do with tactics as Gauntlet for the past day has done less than 1 repair per match. Gauntlet does however Ram at least 1-2x a match. His damage taken is roughly 57% and has been shut down (Stasis locked) at least 7 times in recording time since Friday when I started watching him to see how we would do this weekend. This is just shy behind Darq whose average damage taken is 31% and has been shut down 4 times. However our XP growth difference is roughly the same, where I have had a chance to play more because I work in a server farm where I can sit behind my monitor or in a meeting with a phone in my lap and play. Anshin however is now at level 7 (again my screw up, and I have to wait for my form to cycle through) but only 100k behind you now where we have the same points.
I do agree with you that people that play more make more XP, however I still disagree with your logic.
Also growth % does not have as much to do with lower levels as much as it does have to do with XP earned from prior weeks. For example this week's XP growth is true. If we look at last weeks it would have only been for 5 days and appeared to be much lower than the week's before at 9. With that said I actually had a higher XP growth of 7.19% for the week before of 5 days than I did with the 7 day week. That is primarily because I was gone for three days and therefore generated less XP. I was however on par with XP generation with Zordon who has primarily builds of Repairers.
tl;dr: I didn't understand what you said. I understand now. I see where you are coming from but you still have flaws in your logic.
Absolute Zero wrote:
I can pull good XP with my fast builds, because everyone is a target. If I was running strafe/ram or ram/avoid or strafe/avoid, my XP would be way way down. But because I use repair, I can pretty much double my potential XP while I level run and free up my spots in the lower levels for other people, however, I've been playing this game for long enough that I would be a fool to not know that if you have more XP, you're going to gain more XP. Someone with double the XP, should be gaining double the XP of me, assuming simular play habits. Otherwise, I wouldn't have a hard time of catching you or AD in the overall rank. It's illustrated on my team. Karma, Desert Wind, and Stickshift are all playing significantly less right now (less than half the deployments), while I run my top 3 and bottom 3 available every deployment, but their gain has been the same as those behind them. They have more XP, thus a better build, they gain more than those behind them, or would gain more, if they were being deployed as much.
Responding out of order for this... You could just hunt his alt to get it back instead of waiting. Once we get to the higher levels, and we don't have as many opponents, it's not as likely that a strong build will choke out people. I like to think that it's mostly due to the builds becoming more level. Most of the choking occurs sub6 level. I've been tracking Gauntlet since before the race, so if you're curious, as of right now, he's averaging 17k a mission (he's dropped off a lot since wednesday) while surviving an average of 60% of all deployments, with about a 1:1 kill/death ratio over 90 deployments.
Also growth % does not have as much to do with lower levels as much as it does have to do with XP earned from prior weeks. For example this week's XP growth is true. If we look at last weeks it would have only been for 5 days and appeared to be much lower than the week's before at 9. With that said I actually had a higher XP growth of 7.19% for the week before of 5 days than I did with the 7 day week. That is primarily because I was gone for three days and therefore generated less XP. I was however on par with XP generation with Zordon who has primarily builds of Repairers.
This part I will disagree with you on. Typically, the % of increase (not how much you gain, but how that rates against your total) has always typically been higher for the lower levels, simply because they need less to get a great gain. If your team has 100k XP, and you manage to pull 10k from a couple of 1-11 missions, congrats, you've earned 10% of your XP for the week. If you have 100m XP, earning 10m is not quite as simple. That's why I had a higher rank in % gained than actual XP gained. I have less, so I need less for the % to be higher.
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
Name_Violation wrote:still need more 9s tho
Psychout wrote:Name_Violation wrote:still need more 9s tho
We're working on it dammit! Get your L10 into more missions with my repairers!!
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
_Anshin_ wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:
I can pull good XP with my fast builds, because everyone is a target. If I was running strafe/ram or ram/avoid or strafe/avoid, my XP would be way way down. But because I use repair, I can pretty much double my potential XP while I level run and free up my spots in the lower levels for other people, however, I've been playing this game for long enough that I would be a fool to not know that if you have more XP, you're going to gain more XP. Someone with double the XP, should be gaining double the XP of me, assuming simular play habits. Otherwise, I wouldn't have a hard time of catching you or AD in the overall rank. It's illustrated on my team. Karma, Desert Wind, and Stickshift are all playing significantly less right now (less than half the deployments), while I run my top 3 and bottom 3 available every deployment, but their gain has been the same as those behind them. They have more XP, thus a better build, they gain more than those behind them, or would gain more, if they were being deployed as much.
I see what you are saying. However I reserve the right to feel differently only because I have moved up from level 0/1 to where I am and in term passed you without following your tactics. Does this mean you are wrong and I am right? NO. We just approached the problem with different solutions and came out with similar outcomes. I've moved from the 100s to the 13th position partially because of my play style and partially because I have learned by watching people like Sustain, Burn, AD, N_V, etc. So I concede this point to you.
Responding out of order for this... You could just hunt his alt to get it back instead of waiting. Once we get to the higher levels, and we don't have as many opponents, it's not as likely that a strong build will choke out people. I like to think that it's mostly due to the builds becoming more level. Most of the choking occurs sub6 level. I've been tracking Gauntlet since before the race, so if you're curious, as of right now, he's averaging 17k a mission (he's dropped off a lot since wednesday) while surviving an average of 60% of all deployments, with about a 1:1 kill/death ratio over 90 deployments.
I could, but honestly it has to do with patience and another theory that I am going to test with Nyteshade and Decryption. Once I have proof one way or the other I will share with you.
Also growth % does not have as much to do with lower levels as much as it does have to do with XP earned from prior weeks. For example this week's XP growth is true. If we look at last weeks it would have only been for 5 days and appeared to be much lower than the week's before at 9. With that said I actually had a higher XP growth of 7.19% for the week before of 5 days than I did with the 7 day week. That is primarily because I was gone for three days and therefore generated less XP. I was however on par with XP generation with Zordon who has primarily builds of Repairers.
This part I will disagree with you on. Typically, the % of increase (not how much you gain, but how that rates against your total) has always typically been higher for the lower levels, simply because they need less to get a great gain. If your team has 100k XP, and you manage to pull 10k from a couple of 1-11 missions, congrats, you've earned 10% of your XP for the week. If you have 100m XP, earning 10m is not quite as simple. That's why I had a higher rank in % gained than actual XP gained. I have less, so I need less for the % to be higher.
However using your logic, it should be much easier to make that 10k XP at higher levels than it would be at lower levels. Getting a level 2 to score a 10k shot is really just random luck. Getting a lvl 6 (as you pointed out earlier) to do it is much more of a numbers game due to points being invested and build structure. Again, you do make a valid point that to maintain 100m XP is much harder than 100k XP, however if you look at just the basic fights not the 1-11 missions (as those are not as frequent as say a 1-3,2-3,3-4 series or a 5-7,6-9,7-10 series) the basic XP haul from a level 3 is only 4digits opposed to the basic haul from a 7 which is a mid 5 digits. Putting a level 3 into a 1-11 and expecting him to do as well as a level 7 is really more of a prayer to RNG than it is sure fire thing. You yourself have pointed out that this is where the higher XP will choke out the lower XP players. If we had a week of 1-11 missions not showing we would find that the XP gain to be on par with probability and show a nice slope instead of a curve towards the upper bound.
alldarker wrote:Wrong, once again... Power builds do not have a low risk medium yield: in fact they have a low risk, HIGH yield on their investment, which _Anshin_ proved, and which I am proving every day. Fast builds like yours do have a chance of getting a high score once in a while, but about as much chance as any lower level has of hitting a high level.
You are trying to run when you can't even walk. And it's a real waste of XP to make a fast build when that same XP could make a perfectly fine lower level build providing a higher yield.[/url]
You don't understand, and you never will, but I'm retarded, so I have to try to explain it to you. See, let's just break it down pretty simply. Strong builds are not high yield. They are medium yield. They have a higher peak sometimes, and they don't bottom out as often, but they're just a medium yield for the amount of XP you're investing in them. If they were high yield, there would be no chance at all of catching them, and I wouldn't have been able to pass up some of Burn and Anshin's guys, just to name a few. You have 250 million XP invested. I have just hit 50 million. Your pay off nets you about 11-14 million a week. Yes, you're out gaining me, oh teh noes. Whatever, what I have been trying to explain to you, is while I may never out gain you in an individual mission, or even pass you by before I get bored of the game once again (which is why you passed me in the first place, let's be honest here, you took 3rd because a bunch of people stopped playing or played reduced time and other factors, such as the end of the SPL) but, I digress, my pitiful investment of about 46 million XP, netted me just short of 4 million. Yes, significantly less than yours, but when you compare investments, it's actually kind of high. Most of that 4m gain was from Gauntlet, who was level 7 for that. He's on pace to make 1m himself this week, assuming the RNG decides to stop being a hater. Anshin had a better return on his investment than you, and I'm pretty sure he's playing less right now. Now, do I think you could gain more of your investment back, if you leveled up? I don't know. The top end of the game can be tricky in that regard. And I'm not saying my builds are perfect, however, maybe two weeks ago, you're all "Hey, Gauntlet's getting good cuts of XP" and this week, when the RNG decides he's it's own personal redheaded stepchild to beat with a stick, you bring out the "Oh, your build sucks! It should be lower leveled!" Which is flipflopping on two things, telling me how to play (again. you like doing that for someone who doesn't like to be told how to play...) and flipflopping on accepting that he's not got a bad build. Here's a hint. His build hasn't changed from when he was making good cuts, neither has his competition.AD wrote:
Excuses like 'bad RNG' are completely bogus.
I've been looking at just Gaunlet's missions that I'm able to recall:
http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... n_id=95539
http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... n_id=95653
http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... n_id=95744
http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... n_id=95773
http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... n_id=95836
http://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwar ... n_id=95905
Gauntlet is ending up at the very lowest end of the XP scale EVERY time. You can't tell me that's 'bad RNG' or 'bad luck': that's just a bad build getting thrown into missions way out of his depth.
You know, I don't have a say in the terms of the bet, so take it or leave it, but if it was up to me (and I know it isn't, so stop giving me a hard time!), the rules of this bet get changed so you don't have to change the names of your team, but you would have to reconfigure a couple of your builds, according to what _Anshin_ would consider a good build with the XP available. BINGO, everyone wins, including you!
Absolute Zero wrote:As an aside, whatever happened to the weekly polls?
Burn wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:As an aside, whatever happened to the weekly polls?
Lack of questions.
Now why don't you troll ROS and get him to level up some of his?
Burn wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:As an aside, whatever happened to the weekly polls?
Lack of questions.
Now why don't you troll ROS and get him to level up some of his?
Phaze wrote:Burn wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:As an aside, whatever happened to the weekly polls?
Lack of questions.
Now why don't you troll ROS and get him to level up some of his?
Or at least change the song tune this is getting stale
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