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[SW's SilverHammer]

hmph!

well i hope one day a dir cut of it WILL be released.

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-force-a ... gn=SR-FB-P

Or the extra 35 minutes could be the equivalent of the Tosche station scenes in a new hope.

[Stuartmaximus]

hmph!

well i hope one day a dir cut of it WILL be released.

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-force-a ... gn=SR-FB-P

Or the extra 35 minutes could be the equivalent of the Tosche station scenes in a new hope.

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/star-wa ... ght-we-see

[Stuartmaximus]

off to see Force Awakens at cinema now!

no spoilers please

Ssssshhh! the film is about to start

[RAR]

We can get some idea of what is chopped by a combination of

1) Some Iffy edits at the end of the Movie
2) The toylines
3) The Novelisation and other spin-off materials.


I'd like to see the Starkiller Speeder-chase fully completed for sure, not just some animatics .

I hear there is some "Personal scene" dialogue between Rey & Finn (that might be in the book still) around the time they get back with the speeder and related to him lending her his Jacket (which is still in the Movie "Just").

I would like to see that as I think it balances out the way she keeps refusing help - into a more Genuine Friendship.

[Stuartmaximus]

ok....that's me seen the film.....yup really great!

nearly jumped out of my skin when that tie fighter exploded after it sank into the sand(which btw i could'nt find a reason as to why it would sink in the first place?).

han's death.....ach...kinda sorta knew it was coming due to Harrison wanting killed off at the end of ROTJ! but yet it took years later & JJ to make that happen! + we're getting plenty of Han backstory with the Anthology film(& Rogue One), videogames, & y'never know....he may even appear in Rebels.

+ a year ago....we were told that the original cast were only in it to hand the reigns/pass that baton over to the new cast(John, Daisy ect).

we now know that Snoke isn't Plagueis!

the only bit i felt an emotional tug was at the end....where Ray was trying to hand Luke's lightsaber back to him.

one final thing.....there's speculation that the Falcon may not make it past episode 9! & it'll go out in a heroic blaze of glory.

[ZeroWolf]

You don't need spoiler tags any more you know

[RAR]

I nearly jumped out of my skin when that Tie Fighter exploded after it sank into the sand (which BTW I couldn't find a reason as to why it would sink in the first place?).

If you are looking very closely you can just about make out something tracking Finn in the sand, and eye shows up and looks at him - I took this to mean that the Tie Fighter was sucked into a Maw of some creature that was trying to Eat Finn - or was attracted by the crash.

That said it could simply be a sink hole - or it may be full explained in the novelization perhaps ?

One final thing.....there's speculation that the Falcon may not make it past episode 9! & it'll go out in a heroic blaze of glory.

I would consider it to be pretty arrogant to blow up the Falcon and really arrogant to Kill Chewie too as he has 60-120 Years of life left in him I recall reading he was about 160 in Episode IV and so is 200 or so now and Wookies live 250-300+ years.

Any reason to blow it up is going to be pretty contrived or used as a thin excuse to say Blow Up Lando Calrission for example.

Best to have it just crash and leave it up to future film makers to either forget it or rebuild it.

[Shadowman]

really arrogant to Kill Chewie too

Happened in the EU ages ago. Dropped a moon on him.

[Stuartmaximus]

I nearly jumped out of my skin when that Tie Fighter exploded after it sank into the sand (which BTW I couldn't find a reason as to why it would sink in the first place?).

If you are looking very closely you can just about make out something tracking Finn in the sand, and eye shows up and looks at him - I took this to mean that the Tie Fighter was sucked into a Maw of some creature that was trying to Eat Finn - or was attracted by the crash.

That said it could simply be a sink hole - or it may be full explained in the novelization perhaps ?

One final thing.....there's speculation that the Falcon may not make it past episode 9! & it'll go out in a heroic blaze of glory.

I would consider it to be pretty arrogant to blow up the Falcon and really arrogant to Kill Chewie too as he has 60-120 Years of life left in him I recall reading he was about 160 in Episode IV and so is 200 or so now and Wookies live 250-300+ years.

Any reason to blow it up is going to be pretty contrived or used as a thin excuse to say Blow Up Lando Calrission for example.

Best to have it just crash and leave it up to future film makers to either forget it or rebuild it.

ah yes! i did notice something in the sand looking towards Finn, but it would've been a pretty stupid creature if that was the case.....coz then it would've blown itself up....when the tie fighter exploded!


erm.....i did use the word SPECULATION....right?
& do you honestly believe that the film makers care one iota that you think it's pretty arrogant or not, if they decided to go that route? i think NOT!

+ noone here says for a FACT that's gonna happen! it's just all speculation & conjecture! we won't really know how events play out until we see the movie.

[ZeroWolf]

I think that all the original movie cast will die before the episode 9 credits, just as a way to open things up from there on out and to let this saga about the skywalker family close. Now they may not kill them all off but they may die peacefully during an epilogue or something like that.

[Stuartmaximus]

I think that all the original movie cast will die before the episode 9 credits, just as a way to open things up from there on out and to let this saga about the skywalker family close. Now they may not kill them all off but they may die peacefully during an epilogue or something like that.

problem then is....that Luke can't really die! as he becomes a force ghost!

dunno if R2 & 3PO'll bite the dust or not?

+ does anyone think that Ben Solo will have a moment of clarity by the end of episode 9 & kill Snoke? in much the same way as Anakin did as Vader at the end of episode 6 when killing Sidious.

[ZeroWolf]

Only if they want luke to appear after 9...episode 10 could feature completely new cast.

[RAR]

Those with a eye towards the potential life of the Star Wars Franchise beyond Episode IX may consider is it would be short sighted or even arrogant to Kill Chewie for a number of reasons but in part as the whole point of him being around is party so we can have the reversal of him dying and Han surviving in the EU (not that Disney gives a FF about that).

Not to mention Chewie's language issue encourages Rey to talk more.

The reason I say it would be 'arrogant' to kill Chewie is it's like a writer/Producer/Director deciding to destroy their toys so someone else can't play with them - they have the excuse of killing someone who is no longer going to be useful in 20 years time like Lando or Wedge (who they'd never likely get anyway without recasting him) or even Luke or Leia.

What I mean is this there is a set of staff at Disney now and a set of people hired by those people - but in a couple of decades time those people may well won't be in the same position doing the same thing any more.

So making a choice now that they will not have to deal with the consequences of is "arrogant" killing Chewie as he's the one most likely to be be flying the Falcon who isn't Rey (unless they Kill Luke and The Falcon at the same time which I can except better) is such an example.

Though if Luke deserves to survive the trilogy is a whole other apple cart.

Essentially if someone makes a choice in 2016-2020 to Kill Chewie off then that is incredibly short sighted just as it would be if the same was done to Threepio or Artoo.

Artoo, Threepieo & Chewie have the particular merit that even if the actor involved with them are no longer around the Character can still exist for decades to come with no problems. Also all 3 appear in all 3 era and have the potential to be part of any 4th Trilogy too with no problems.

So in theory we could have the current young cast grow to old age and Chewie would still have some years left in him and he can then die or help in passing the torch to a 3rd era or just carry on a common thread in a future 10th Movie.

Making choices now when they might not even though that much about what they might do post 2020 is a pretty stupid thing to do - and as such should be discouraged I feel.

After all it's not like they are going to pull Lumpy out of their back pocket to replace Chewie if he's dead now is it - due to the Holiday Special's bad rep with many fans as a "Joke".

[ZeroWolf]

It seems that you are using the argument of "they could do this but here is why they shouldn't"

I have a question however. Why do we need chewie to be part of episode X?. Answer is, we don't, if they do make an episode X, I think they should have it be an all new thing.

[Stuartmaximus]

yay! hopefully Snoke & Han appear next

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/star-wars-rebe ... 10-1538146

[Burn]

I can't see Snoke appearing in Rebels (or any pre-ROTJ on screen). Han either, given they have a young Han movie coming out, any story set around the time of Rebels will be told there.

[ZeroWolf]

I have to wonder what is going to happen to the cast of Rebels and Ahkoska given that luke is supposed to be the only hope...

[Ironhidensh]

I have to wonder what is going to happen to the cast of Rebels and Ahkoska given that luke is supposed to be the only hope...

Luke is the only hope because he is the only one strong enough to face Vader.

[RAR]

I was looking at the new Tie fighters in closer manner and have a thought/question.

Are the red lights on the front still lasers - and if so they should be able to fire backwards and forwards at the same time - or fire 4 blasts forwards.

But on the back there is a single fixed red light - in a rear facing position - so what is that a single fixed rear firing laser for the times the turret is forward pointing - but then that implies the tail gunner would have to control the forward guns and the back guns at the same time - and that is a little silly.

So really Poe should have been firing his own forward firing guns himself and Finn would only act as a point defence.

Logically to be any effect again stationary defences a tie would need to be flying belly down to the thing they are firing at as they seem to have poor top weapon coverage EXCEPT the Hasbro toy has the come antennae as if they were another gun.

I'm so confused... What does the Visual Dictionary say about these sort of things ?

[Stuartmaximus]

i really like the look of that Black Series Tie! but i await to see if they're ever gonna release a Black Series Millennium Falcon

[RAR]

Some of the toys call the Black Tie a "Special Forces Tie Fighter" implying the black ones are unique to that capital ship.

The problem with that is it either suggests the first order only have a tiny number of ships or there is some other kind of tie we have not seen otherwise why give it a distinction of another name.

I think if I had to offer a guess the Black ties were supposed to be the new default kind and some sort of Tie Interceptor variant was supposed to be chasing the Falcon on Jakku.

That would make a lot more sense to be called "Special Forces Tie" and also it would explain why Rey had such a hard time shaking them off.

I also find it curious that tie's we see have Red marking suggesting an elite squadron status.

So I think they messed up a bit they needed to have some sort of Bomber in the film like a Y-wing or a B-wing variant or one of the new designs from the art book. They also need to show a visual distinction between regular and special kinds of Tie - or even show the ones at Star Killer base in another colour.

But then I do also think Poe's Black X-Wing should be a sole example of the newer model used by the New rebublic navy too and perhaps show some visual differences.

Will they even remember when it comes around to Episode 8 & 9 that the X-Wing the "Resistance" (silly name/silly concept for the context and the way the Galaxy is described I feel) - has are supposed to be older ones - as if they just carry one using the same sort they'd be loosing potential merchandise money for the further updated design we know exists.

There is one thing I feel geaorge Lucas does better - something he get criticised for but when you see it's not there you can see why he did it and that is the cut-aways for when someone does something like drop a lightsaber.

Take the Fight between Obi-Wan and Jango Fett - you can totally tell what is going on in that fight it's not difficult to follow at all - but the fight between Rey & Benny-boy is super hard to follow.

You can't see who in injured very well or how - what damage is done or even if Kylo's saber is destroyed or if she takes his whole fore arm off as we never see his right arm again.

Frankly I'm sick of the limb chopping so I would prefer it if they just cut the sword up as then it's mocking the whole cross-guard controversy nicely.

[ZeroWolf]

I didn't have any bother following that fight, but then again I've had no bother following the fights in the tf movies either so this is probably a personal thing. Also I don't really see a problem with the cross guard.

[Stuartmaximus]

oh btw on the whole George Lucas thing! there are some(maybe even a lot) of people wanting him back to direct future Star Wars films! even to the point that i think they've got some sort of petition going, or something like that.

now wait a minute? didn't George sell the rights/property ect to Disney? & weren't his last Star Wars efforts(the prequels) a mess?(yes! you can argue for & against that).

so i can't really see him coming back to direct.....but if he ever did.....he'd have to give us something as good if not better....than the originals.

[Shadowman]

The problem with that is it either suggests the first order only have a tiny number of ships

That. The First Order doesn't have nearly the numbers the Republic does, being the leftovers of the Empire and all. This is why they put so many guns on their ships, train their Stormtroopers in melee combat with anti-Lightsaber weapons, and built a version of the Death Star so overpowered it kills stars just by reloading. (Hence why it's called Starkiller Base) They can't afford Zerg Rush tactics anymore, so they have to build everything to hit as hard as humanly possible.

[RAR]

I didn't have any bother following that fight, but then again I've had no bother following the fights in the tf movies either so this is probably a personal thing. Also I don't really see a problem with the cross guard.

There isn't an issue if the cross guard is made of Saber resistant metal & / or the plasma is inside the cross guard and not just emitting from the cross guard ends, not cutting your own hands is just a matter of training - the design is way more practical than the inquisitors saber is though as in theory the hilt could twist and he'd break his own wrist or thumb.

I would really suggest that anyone using Lighsabers have enough sense to use Saber resistant gleaves though. Even a chest plated, Back Guird (yes it is spelled like that), shin protectors and for arms guards would help a lot.

Considering some of the trained for moves in Saber combat involve chopping people's forearms off that is likely only common sense really.

Even saber resistant fabric is feasible to some extent then all you'd get from an impact is a bruise or a burn. armour only needs to protect you for a second at most to be useful. Heck if you are wearing a mask and your foes are not you can even make it release toxic gas when touched with a saber.