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[RAR]

I'm talking about the set photos more resembling Firefly.

The stuff with ROTJ style rebel Troopers and X-wing looks like Star Wars for sure - it's the world itself that looks a bit to generic Sci Fi in a way that say Star Wars Rebel's doesn't.

Or to put it another way rebels captures the look better so far than what I have so far seen of Rogue One in terms of Technology, set design and costume and character design.

That is just an initial impression and more material may push it over in establishing the correct look - or it may cement it as looking wrong... or at least different.

You can change a lot and still have it look like the same Universe but if you make it look like another pre-established Universe more than the one you are going for then I would consider that a mistake.

Heck it's quite possible to think you are doing the right thing and still drive people up the wall anyway - as happened with the look of the Enterprise in Star Trek 2009.. I'm sure everyone involved earnestly felt they were doing the right thing - but they still managed bug plenty of people anyway.

I am just raising the concern that even if they try to make it look like Star wars - they might fail. I'm not saying that they are going to - I am saying that it is at least a thought that crossed my mind.

Also It's not wrong as such to have your X-wing at night or in the rain - but aside from Attack of the Clones some might think - well that isn't very Star Wars.. as some might think a dark and moody look is more generic Sci Fi and less Star Wars.

But as I said it's to early to say - I'm just mentioning it as something that I considered a slight concern - especially on top of the various issues I have with Force Awakens and it's tone.

HOWEVER Captain America Winter Soldier is essentially a 1970's Techno-thriller set in a Comic Book Universe. so the idea of a Techno-Thriller set in the Star Wars Universe isn't a bad one either....

I just wonder if it might take a few Movies to establish if it was a good idea or not in some peoples minds, It might leave some a little unsure.

I HOPE - heck I darn near Pray Rogue One is a better Movie than Force Awakens as I think a lot of people will burst into tears or write the franchise off completely if it's as much of a ungodly mess as some people seem to think Force Awakens is.

I don't think it is that bad - I just wasn't engaged by it... I want to be invested - I want a sense of stakes I want to be excited & Interested & not a bit bored and bemused as to what the heck I'm even watching as with Episode 7.

Episode 7 was for me like the difference between watching a Flash Gordon Serial and watching a Captain Proton spoof.

Or as someone else has said - they would have called Episode 7 a 200 Million Dollar fan film - except that the fans likely put more care into the details than JJ seems to have done.

[Ironhidensh]

Well, personally, I think your letting your feelings over the death of the EU cloud your Judgement. I simply see no evidence of the concerns you list in the film. I suppose you could argue I'm letting my love of Star Wars cloud mine, but I don't think so. I've never had a problem calling out flaws in the franchise before.

Sure, this film had a few flaws, but no more or than the originals, and a whole hell of a lot less than the prequels.

Like it or not, this EU is here to stay. Also, all future novels will be an official part of cannon, so I think the continuity will be much tighter controlled than the old EU

[ZeroWolf]

Okay Rar you lost me with a lot of what you just said. So now Rogue One is less Star Wars then TFA...what? Also you haven't explained how it's less star wars. What's the set of values you are judging it by also by the by I've seen far more good comments about the movie then I have bad ones, so, factoring that you can't please everyone regardless of what you do, it can be regarded as a great success.

Another thing, like the prequels before it, how many new fans have been introduced to the franchise by this movie or Disneys approach to everything.

More I think about it, more I wonder that if the cause of some of the discontent is "change".

[ZeroWolf]

You'll have a bit of a wait for Rogue Two fen as I think the next star wars anthology movie is about the young days of Han solo though I also hear that Boba Fett is getting ready for more screen time

[RAR]

I think Star wars looks Bright and Colourful and clearly lit - Generic Sci-fi is often dark and smokey and poorly lit to hide the rubbish sets - I just thought when watching the inside of the Starkiller Base "Bit dark in here isn't it ?".

In the most basic terms visually at some point the movie was reminding me of things besides Star Wars. I never really felt that even with the Prequels.

Not a huge criticism - just a personal observation of my impressions when viewing it is all.

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Here is a video of potential interest of the current Hot Topic with some people which is "Is Star Wars Sexist" ?

[Stuartmaximus]

so Snoke isn't Plagueis after all! as Serkis has already officially stated!

just shows you how wrong we can be.



http://epicstream.com/news/Andy-Serkis- ... s-Spoilers

[ZeroWolf]

So snoake is a new character then? Good. Though looks like hasbro and Disney are getting flack for lack of rey merchandise.

[Burn]

so Snoke isn't Plagueis after all! as Serkis has already officially stated!

just shows you how wrong we can be.

Might want to back that up with source?

And plans could still change. But yeah, if it's true, then glad he's a new character.

[SW's SilverHammer]

Here's the problem with Snoke as he was presented. If Snoke was Plaguis, I personally would find that to be an unsatisfying Lord Voldemort style cop-out, but a cop-out that wouldn't be too out of place, there's at least context. The problem is, if Snoke isn't plaguis, then that raises to many questions. None of which have context to define them. The least of which being; is he some type of Sith? If so, how was it he was able to live parallel to Palpatine, who was more or less the grand wizard of the sith for a few decades. Personally, I would've preferred the character to have been a grand admiral or a moff that assumed power in the post Return of the Jedi power vacuum.

[ZeroWolf]

I believe we'll find out about Snoake in the next episode, so I'll wait till then before flagging any issues with identity and all that.

[Stuartmaximus]

Which is a year & a half away!

Rogue One is next! at the end of the year.

[RAR]

The whole getting your student to do something nasty to their loved ones so they can fully embrace the Darkside is rather Sith like.

I'll be curious to see if they ever tell you if Snoake is the one pretending to be Darth Vader's spirit - or if Vader's ghost really has split into two beings one good one Evil (not sure I approve).

I think I'd rather Anakin's Ghost was "good" (absent or not) and Snoake seduced Ben Solo to the Darkside with visions of Vader talking to him. And then Someone clones Darth Vader and some how or other makes him a reincarnation in the force of Vader's Evil presence... so he's more than just a clone.

If they make Snoake a Cloner then they give themselves a number of places to go.

Anyway next time I want more Toyetic stuff as Eps 7 is only OK for Action Figure designs it's bad for Droids and vehicles.

Top such a degree if I was Hasbro I'd be wanting partially abandon Episode 7 toys for a more Generic Star wars product that they can Throw Rebels toys at the line to make it more interesting.

[Burn]

Link if image doesn't work
Probably need to be logged into Facebook to view it.

[RAR]

I don't think His Mom is going to be recognising that face. or Obi Wan either.

But sure does have the cuts in the same place - which make no sense since Kylo has his burned skull and Clones made of Vader wouldn't be scared - unless Palpatine or some has been trying the same Clones who don't know they are clones trick again done in The Force Unleashed 2.

I suppose the argument could be the "Dark side" was used to influence the cloning to try to get something of True Vader into the copy and the influence twisted the clone - as Dark Siders can have trouble with healing.

I think Episode 8 & 9 could go some very weird places if Disney is feeling brave.

[Burn]

I think he's a new character. Simple explanation is he may have been another Force user that had some training but never became a Sith but followed a different path. Rule of Two? Yeah, Sideous didn't exactly stick to that rule himself.

Alternatively, they could borrow from the EU where there's a lost tribe of Sith (that never followed Rule of Two).

[ZeroWolf]

I would say that the idea of lost sith (or true sith as they would probably call them) is more like how I would like it to go

[RAR]

There were a couple (at least) other kinds of Sith they tended to forget about the other kind pretty quickly though - I think the 1st kind tied into the Star Wars Legacy series.. and opperated as Space Pirates and were an of-shoot who went undercover when the rule of two thing lead to the idea of killing all other Sith off and not "Co-Operating" the other kind were the ones that were often heavily featured in the last few EU Novels.

ironically the other sources like Rebels and the Videogames and some novels have shown an uncountable number of Force users (dark and light) that there is little or not Suggestion of them existing in the Original Movies.

That said it doesn't preclude them existing - after all vader is 'A' Dark Lord of the Sith - not 'THE' dark lord of the Sith.

I do not recall seeing any suggestion of the Rule of Two in the earlier material so the Dark Jedi and such started to creep into the EU once the Novels and comics started up again 20+ years ago.

So I suppose Inquisitors are not explicitly heretical ideas...and if you like the Force Unleashed Videogames you'd like not turn a hair about something like that.

[Shadowman]

I think he's a new character. Simple explanation is he may have been another Force user that had some training but never became a Sith but followed a different path. Rule of Two? Yeah, Sideous didn't exactly stick to that rule himself.

Alternatively, they could borrow from the EU where there's a lost tribe of Sith (that never followed Rule of Two).

Since Kylo Ren was a member of the Knights of Ren, and took his last name from that (Much as the highest tier of Sith earns the title Darth) it can be assumed that at some point, a few Sith got mad at the rule of two, and decided to go form their own order, with blackjack, and hookers.

Which is always something I thought was odd, who was in charge of enforcing the Rule of Two? I mean, it was probably solved with violence (The proper Dark Lord and the upstart meet in a circle, whoever doesn't get their head cut off gets to be Darth) but there was never really any rule stating you can make up your own order with red lightsabers.

[Shadowman]

There were a couple (at least) other kinds of Sith they tended to forget about the other kind pretty quickly though - I think the 1st kind tied into the Star Wars Legacy series.. and opperated as Space Pirates and were an of-shoot who went undercover when the rule of two thing lead to the idea of killing all other Sith off and not "Co-Operating" the other kind were the ones that were often heavily featured in the last few EU Novels.

ironically the other sources like Rebels and the Videogames and some novels have shown an uncountable number of Force users (dark and light) that there is little or not Suggestion of them existing in the Original Movies.

That said it doesn't preclude them existing - after all vader is 'A' Dark Lord of the Sith - not 'THE' dark lord of the Sith.

I do not recall seeing any suggestion of the Rule of Two in the earlier material so the Dark Jedi and such started to creep into the EU once the Novels and comics started up again 20+ years ago.

So I suppose Inquisitors are not explicitly heretical ideas...and if you like the Force Unleashed Videogames you'd like not turn a hair about something like that.

In the Old Republic (Which is probably not canon anyway) it stated that Dark Lord of the Sith and Darth were actually two different things. Darth was the tier right below the Emperor, and Lord was the tier right below that. Of course, that was just how they operated under Vitiate's leadership. Palpatine was fine with red-lightsaber-wielding force-users working for him (Such as Asajj Ventress and Savage Opress) but he was the one calling the shots on who could or could not be Darth.

[RAR]

Another joke Twitter account for Star Wars posted this..

I found it funny for some odd reason.

https://twitter.com/BadFatherHan/status ... 6357533696

[Stuartmaximus]

He could be a Celestial? Snoke! coz his scars are from really old times(YES! granted Serkis has confirmed that Snoke is a new & original character) but you have to but wonder where his scars came from....& when?

[ZeroWolf]

Again, we'll probably find out in the next two episodes though an idea that just came to me from the pictures burn posted us that those scars of his are self inflicted, like as part of a ritual to honour the fallen vader.

[RAR]

A reaction video to Force Awakens popped up in my Youtube feed an autoplayed on me when I was pottering around so it was one I wouldn't normally have clicked on perhaps. I like longer more indepth videos and it was only 5 mins.

But the lass in it made a really interesting point that I thought was worth repeating.

What she said was that when she saw Rey standing with luke she thought it would or could play out like the experience she had had when her BF got her to watch the Movies which she said was that at the point she seems Luke and rey... she thought ah now they will tell you a prequel to show how they got to this point... now logistically that might be hard to imagine at first.

But a few other thoughts rattling around in my brain also popped up to the top when she said that 1stly Hank Pymm shows you can do reasonable De-aging with CGI now so they can show the character younger to some extent if they need too - especially so if it's only a little younger they need to be.

Also we know Harrison Ford has a role still in Episode 8 so that can only really be in flash back form.... there is the Flash-forward we keep seeing from Rey.

So it got me thinking - what if these Movie Jump around all over the place in time or use Flash- Forward and Flash backs to really play with the structure so much it gets almost confusing.

I would like to see how Kylo betrayed luke for sure - rather than just hear about it I want to see it - I want to see Vader speak to Kylo as Kylo said he had.

I want to know how Rey got dumped on Jakku (but that might be tricky unless they film real quick so the girl who plays Young Rey doesn't age to much).

Also we need to know more about Snoake and Rey's background..

So I got thinking though I don't think they will jump backwards 10 years or more and then carry forwards again up to the meeting of Luke & rey - though that would be really interesting to see.

I do expect extensive FlashBacks. If Soake was hanging about a lot in the background and was feeling brave perhaps he might be shown in a place we know well - like having a chat or confrontation with Vader while on Endor.

I also wonder if they may continue to pepper little things in designed to pop up Marvel style in other Movies like will we finally get the Wookie Homeworld fight we were promised (not the one in the prequels) or will that be considered as done and so not be used. as I get the impression the Wookie issue might at least come up in Han Solo Movie/s depending on how many they make.

Even showing Han & Chewie getting given the falcon or inheriting from some one (rather than him just winning it in a card game) would make the handing of it on to Rey (sort of) more poignant if they decide to do that in a Han Movie.

But that would only work if they make Han young enough but not to old - I want Han to be say early 20's around the time he leaves the Empire and rescues Chewie perhaps or not long after.

The thing there is is when they set it could also be important depending on if they want to make a Force Unleashed Movie or not... as if they get the timing right you could over lap the two a little bit with regard to Vader and the Wookies.

[Stuartmaximus]

Again, we'll probably find out in the next two episodes though an idea that just came to me from the pictures burn posted us that those scars of his are self inflicted, like as part of a ritual to honour the fallen vader.

ok, thanks

ZeroWolf

[Ironhidensh]

A reaction video to Force Awakens popped up in my Youtube feed an autoplayed on me when I was pottering around so it was one I wouldn't normally have clicked on perhaps. I like longer more indepth videos and it was only 5 mins.

But the lass in it made a really interesting point that I thought was worth repeating.

What she said was that when she saw Rey standing with luke she thought it would or could play out like the experience she had had when her BF got her to watch the Movies which she said was that at the point she seems Luke and rey... she thought ah now they will tell you a prequel to show how they got to this point... now logistically that might be hard to imagine at first.

But a few other thoughts rattling around in my brain also popped up to the top when she said that 1stly Hank Pymm shows you can do reasonable De-aging with CGI now so they can show the character younger to some extent if they need too - especially so if it's only a little younger they need to be.

Also we know Harrison Ford has a role still in Episode 8 so that can only really be in flash back form.... there is the Flash-forward we keep seeing from Rey.

So it got me thinking - what if these Movie Jump around all over the place in time or use Flash- Forward and Flash backs to really play with the structure so much it gets almost confusing.

I would like to see how Kylo betrayed luke for sure - rather than just hear about it I want to see it - I want to see Vader speak to Kylo as Kylo said he had.

I want to know how Rey got dumped on Jakku (but that might be tricky unless they film real quick so the girl who plays Young Rey doesn't age to much).

Also we need to know more about Snoake and Rey's background..

So I got thinking though I don't think they will jump backwards 10 years or more and then carry forwards again up to the meeting of Luke & rey - though that would be really interesting to see.

I do expect extensive FlashBacks. If Soake was hanging about a lot in the background and was feeling brave perhaps he might be shown in a place we know well - like having a chat or confrontation with Vader while on Endor.

I also wonder if they may continue to pepper little things in designed to pop up Marvel style in other Movies like will we finally get the Wookie Homeworld fight we were promised (not the one in the prequels) or will that be considered as done and so not be used. as I get the impression the Wookie issue might at least come up in Han Solo Movie/s depending on how many they make.

Even showing Han & Chewie getting given the falcon or inheriting from some one (rather than him just winning it in a card game) would make the handing of it on to Rey (sort of) more poignant if they decide to do that in a Han Movie.

But that would only work if they make Han young enough but not to old - I want Han to be say early 20's around the time he leaves the Empire and rescues Chewie perhaps or not long after.

The thing there is is when they set it could also be important depending on if they want to make a Force Unleashed Movie or not... as if they get the timing right you could over lap the two a little bit with regard to Vader and the Wookies.

I doubt there will be flashbacks, as that has never been official star wars style. At most, we might find out details of the past if one of the characters tells a story. Like obi wan to Luke , or Palpatine to anikan. Flashbacks taken you out of the moment too much.

Besides, Disney has stated that the majority of the 30 year gap will be filled in with the books and comics.