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RAR wrote:Someone who's first Exposure to Star Trek is JJ abrams isn't a Star Trek fan they are a fan of a specific movie that has at best a casual one night stand with Star Trek it's certainly in no long term relationship with it.
And the point I'm making is that there is things in movies that can be accepted as a Conceit if the conceit makes sense even ordinary movies play with our sense of time a real treat like how James Bond seems to teleport from location to location rather than get a plane.
And less time passes than often seems possible for him to have to have travelled.
The point I'm making is if you don't either have a pre-established explanation or it's something over lookable - then it can stand out a flaw or at least a distraction.
Like many people are distracted by the Dark Knight Rises and how Batman escapes the Bomb or how he got back to Gotham so quick - both have legit explanations but neither are offered and so both bug some people a lot - The Force Awakens has more than one of those sort of things.
And Replicators make at least as much sense as Energy shields do. You just take the idea that Matter and energy are interchangable and run with it. So you can't say they have no explanation at all.
But Spock seeing something from what may "Potentially" (at least) be another Star System is just pure B.S. - again if it's one of Vulcan's sister planets - then it's a stretch as it would need to be very very close to appear like that - but a whole other planet being seen from another planet in another star system is beyond silly - it's actually insulting - it's like watching someone shoot the same gun for 10 minutes and never reload it. it's suggesting you the viewer are a moron.
So the complaint isn't that there is no explanation it's that non is offered at all. as I said If the effect was seen in advance of the beam as a side effect of the corridor the beam is pursuiting in it's path of Destruction - so that it would be like looking at a natural telescope getting a preview of what is comming at you faster than the speed of light.
It might be pushing it Science wise but it's enough of an explanation for me to except it. a director's visual affectation though isn't as easy a sell for me as soon as I noticed it - I can't now un-notice it. but like Prime Spock seeing Vulcan implode It snot something you might even think about on the 1st viewing - then you think... hang on a minute - where is he standing again ?
Then there is the issues that you have to choose to over look like - why does the Enterprise take hits 'through' it's shields when they are still up.
The answer to that has "Consequences" for the physics of the whole show.
There is some curious points you can point out about Star Wars though like how well do the X-wings deflector Shields even work - when the ships blow up really pretty like when they get any hits at all - except when Artoo got skimmed - which should he have when Lukes shields were not depleted.
An explanation of why that was might have been nice. - such as the trench is to tight or he forgot to even his shields out to behind him when ordered too. The X-wings seem to take hits but the shots fired at them never seem to vanish, bend or splash on the shields - and notice this isn't the case either in the Prequels - every shot that hits either does damage or hits the hull with no effect. (like when people fire hand guns at space ships in Episode 2 & 5)
. Yet Jedi Starfighters supposedly have no shields and yet Jango singularly fails to hit Obiwan in any way at all. I think not using the shields properly actually harms the tension it could build up if used properly - I suppose it comes up a little on the cartoons - but they seem to mostly gloss over it there too.
Many people complain about the Naboo ship fleeing the planet via the Trade federation Blockade and rightly so - that whole scene makes at best only partial sense.
Perhaps the shields thing Bugged the makers of Independence Day as they sure made a point of bringing it up a lot as an essential aspect. - and Independence day isn't what most people think of as a smart movie.
I'm not saying physics can't be hand waved but you notice when it happens to much it can take people out of the Movie - another example of how that can be is Sam bouncing about on a chain attached to Starscreams face - and how he falls from impossible heights repeatedly with no injury - when dropping more than 11 feet can risk a broken ankle in the real world having someone fall 50 feet is a bit off putting to be frank.
That is I would point out one of many reasons why people don't like the later Die Hard Movies as much as the earlier ones - the invisible rubber ball hero vs the one who looks pretty darn bashed up by his adventures.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
JazZeke wrote:I've been a lifelong fan of Trek and one of the biggest principals of the series was the sheer scope of the galaxy and even at a ship's maximum warp it would take days, if not weeks to get from one system to another.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
RAR wrote:I've been trying to figure out where the hell Spock was supposed to have been standing when he saw Vulcan in the sky large enough to appear a a moon sized object - it seems he arbitrarily made Vulcan have a a 3rd Co-Planet we'd not really heard about before. even though Spock made no mention of dumping Kirk on a Planet "Near" indeed Vulcan space.
Not to mention what happens to the black hole like effect once it's eaten Vulcan does it suck in the rest of the 40 Eridani solar system in too it over time ?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Ironhidensh wrote:RAR wrote:Someone who's first Exposure to Star Trek is JJ abrams isn't a Star Trek fan they are a fan of a specific movie that has at best a casual one night stand with Star Trek it's certainly in no long term relationship with it.
And the point I'm making is that there is things in movies that can be accepted as a Conceit if the conceit makes sense even ordinary movies play with our sense of time a real treat like how James Bond seems to teleport from location to location rather than get a plane.
And less time passes than often seems possible for him to have to have travelled.
The point I'm making is if you don't either have a pre-established explanation or it's something over lookable - then it can stand out a flaw or at least a distraction.
Like many people are distracted by the Dark Knight Rises and how Batman escapes the Bomb or how he got back to Gotham so quick - both have legit explanations but neither are offered and so both bug some people a lot - The Force Awakens has more than one of those sort of things.
And Replicators make at least as much sense as Energy shields do. You just take the idea that Matter and energy are interchangable and run with it. So you can't say they have no explanation at all.
But Spock seeing something from what may "Potentially" (at least) be another Star System is just pure B.S. - again if it's one of Vulcan's sister planets - then it's a stretch as it would need to be very very close to appear like that - but a whole other planet being seen from another planet in another star system is beyond silly - it's actually insulting - it's like watching someone shoot the same gun for 10 minutes and never reload it. it's suggesting you the viewer are a moron.
So the complaint isn't that there is no explanation it's that non is offered at all. as I said If the effect was seen in advance of the beam as a side effect of the corridor the beam is pursuiting in it's path of Destruction - so that it would be like looking at a natural telescope getting a preview of what is comming at you faster than the speed of light.
It might be pushing it Science wise but it's enough of an explanation for me to except it. a director's visual affectation though isn't as easy a sell for me as soon as I noticed it - I can't now un-notice it. but like Prime Spock seeing Vulcan implode It snot something you might even think about on the 1st viewing - then you think... hang on a minute - where is he standing again ?
Then there is the issues that you have to choose to over look like - why does the Enterprise take hits 'through' it's shields when they are still up.
The answer to that has "Consequences" for the physics of the whole show.
There is some curious points you can point out about Star Wars though like how well do the X-wings deflector Shields even work - when the ships blow up really pretty like when they get any hits at all - except when Artoo got skimmed - which should he have when Lukes shields were not depleted.
An explanation of why that was might have been nice. - such as the trench is to tight or he forgot to even his shields out to behind him when ordered too. The X-wings seem to take hits but the shots fired at them never seem to vanish, bend or splash on the shields - and notice this isn't the case either in the Prequels - every shot that hits either does damage or hits the hull with no effect. (like when people fire hand guns at space ships in Episode 2 & 5)
. Yet Jedi Starfighters supposedly have no shields and yet Jango singularly fails to hit Obiwan in any way at all. I think not using the shields properly actually harms the tension it could build up if used properly - I suppose it comes up a little on the cartoons - but they seem to mostly gloss over it there too.
Many people complain about the Naboo ship fleeing the planet via the Trade federation Blockade and rightly so - that whole scene makes at best only partial sense.
Perhaps the shields thing Bugged the makers of Independence Day as they sure made a point of bringing it up a lot as an essential aspect. - and Independence day isn't what most people think of as a smart movie.
I'm not saying physics can't be hand waved but you notice when it happens to much it can take people out of the Movie - another example of how that can be is Sam bouncing about on a chain attached to Starscreams face - and how he falls from impossible heights repeatedly with no injury - when dropping more than 11 feet can risk a broken ankle in the real world having someone fall 50 feet is a bit off putting to be frank.
That is I would point out one of many reasons why people don't like the later Die Hard Movies as much as the earlier ones - the invisible rubber ball hero vs the one who looks pretty darn bashed up by his adventures.
I talk about these movies slot, with a lot of people. This is literally the first time I've heard of these complaints. Its a movie, and you've missed the entire point. If you feel insulted, that's on you. Enjoy it and let it go, or don't watch it, but don't act like the movie is somehow trying to insult your intelligence.
Okay, enough soapboxing from me. I'm almost done pooping, and its time to get back to Christmas.
RAR wrote:I had a passing thought I think is worth writing down so I may as well do so here...
HOWEVER Vader showed no ability to read Leia's in fact no explicit
Mind reading is shown at all until Episode 8 -
An notice how easily the Jedi are all Cut down in Order 66 - None of them sensed danger except Yoda (who has shown he has a knack for reading people) and none of them leaped out of the way or deflected the shots coming at them.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:An notice how easily the Jedi are all Cut down in Order 66 - None of them sensed danger except Yoda (who has shown he has a knack for reading people) and none of them leaped out of the way or deflected the shots coming at them.
i watched episode 3 on christmas so my recollection is fresh, at least 2 of the jedi seemed to notice something was up before they were killed................but i agree they all died to easily
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
RAR wrote:Yes I gathered that much from the film.
And no I'm not from the future I just should not type with they lights off and miss the 7 key however.
By way of apology have a video
or two
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:An notice how easily the Jedi are all Cut down in Order 66 - None of them sensed danger except Yoda (who has shown he has a knack for reading people) and none of them leaped out of the way or deflected the shots coming at them.
i watched episode 3 on christmas so my recollection is fresh, at least 2 of the jedi seemed to notice something was up before they were killed................but i agree they all died to easily
In one of the novels, they explained that Order 66 worked because they had spent the entire war endearing the Clones to the Jedi so much that it would override their imminent threat detection.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:An notice how easily the Jedi are all Cut down in Order 66 - None of them sensed danger except Yoda (who has shown he has a knack for reading people) and none of them leaped out of the way or deflected the shots coming at them.
i watched episode 3 on christmas so my recollection is fresh, at least 2 of the jedi seemed to notice something was up before they were killed................but i agree they all died to easily
In one of the novels, they explained that Order 66 worked because they had spent the entire war endearing the Clones to the Jedi so much that it would override their imminent threat detection.
thank you, i didnt know that,
SlyTF1 wrote:
I always wondered why there are no Sith ghosts. Is there an official explanation?
Generator_G1 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
I always wondered why there are no Sith ghosts. Is there an official explanation?
There are. Yoda confronts the ghost of Darth Bane in Morriban/Korriban in the last episode of the Clone Wars series.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
fenrir72 wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:An notice how easily the Jedi are all Cut down in Order 66 - None of them sensed danger except Yoda (who has shown he has a knack for reading people) and none of them leaped out of the way or deflected the shots coming at them.
i watched episode 3 on christmas so my recollection is fresh, at least 2 of the jedi seemed to notice something was up before they were killed................but i agree they all died to easily
In one of the novels, they explained that Order 66 worked because they had spent the entire war endearing the Clones to the Jedi so much that it would override their imminent threat detection.
thank you, i didnt know that,
Can I join in? Concerning Ep#3 with the Jedi being taken by surprise. If Lucas subconsciously or consciously been merging real life events with fiction, in analogy to what Shadowman posted, the "endearment" among the Clones is similar to "Green on Blue" incidents in West Asia.
You'll never know what hit you and what is most painful maybe your death from your comrade in arms.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Generator_G1 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
I always wondered why there are no Sith ghosts. Is there an official explanation?
There are. Yoda confronts the ghost of Darth Bane in Morriban/Korriban in the last episode of the Clone Wars series.
yet an other series that is likely no longer canon
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:An notice how easily the Jedi are all Cut down in Order 66 - None of them sensed danger except Yoda (who has shown he has a knack for reading people) and none of them leaped out of the way or deflected the shots coming at them.
i watched episode 3 on christmas so my recollection is fresh, at least 2 of the jedi seemed to notice something was up before they were killed................but i agree they all died to easily
In one of the novels, they explained that Order 66 worked because they had spent the entire war endearing the Clones to the Jedi so much that it would override their imminent threat detection.
thank you, i didnt know that,
Can I join in? Concerning Ep#3 with the Jedi being taken by surprise. If Lucas subconsciously or consciously been merging real life events with fiction, in analogy to what Shadowman posted, the "endearment" among the Clones is similar to "Green on Blue" incidents in West Asia.
You'll never know what hit you and what is most painful maybe your death from your comrade in arms.
interesting
but i dont think any of the clones knew they would one day turn on the jedi
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Generator_G1 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
I always wondered why there are no Sith ghosts. Is there an official explanation?
There are. Yoda confronts the ghost of Darth Bane in Morriban/Korriban in the last episode of the Clone Wars series.
yet an other series that is likely no longer canon
Nope, the Clone Wars cartoon is actually still canon.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Generator_G1 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
I always wondered why there are no Sith ghosts. Is there an official explanation?
There are. Yoda confronts the ghost of Darth Bane in Morriban/Korriban in the last episode of the Clone Wars series.
yet an other series that is likely no longer canon
Nope, the Clone Wars cartoon is actually still canon.
may i ask what you are basing that on?
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