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Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah that looks great! Even if they named it something else, that figure should be made. Honestly I get more of a female vibe from the overall design, so maybe it's time for another new female character that happens to be a seeker? There aren't enough.

Must be the streamlined curves; from what I recall of character design, we usually associate boxy and hard lines to male and round and curved to female.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I would really love to see female Starscream make an official appearance. But she should be G1 Starscream at his worst but cranked to 11. Her cowardice, vileness, and sneakiness would be so hardcore, it would make even the Original Starscream wince.

...why, exactly?

Anyway, has anyone suggested Signal Lancer yet? I mean, they already made the CG model, but unless it's a 2-pack with a more interesting (read: mobile) partner I think it's a hard sell. Also the pole/lance might be a safety hazard for a toy.

MaximalNui wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I would really love to see female Starscream make an official appearance. But she should be G1 Starscream at his worst but cranked to 11. Her cowardice, vileness, and sneakiness would be so hardcore, it would make even the Original Starscream wince.

...why, exactly?

Gender equality. Only in Manga and Anime are women allowed to be brain dead annoying idiots AND suffer the consequences of their idiocy. In Western media, females must be perfect or the woke mob will lynch you.
That's why we will never see her in Western media, nor a toy of her ever being made.

I will say that Transformers does have a lack of truly contemptible, evil female characters. Airachnid is the closest example I can think of. Most others are either tragic villains or not especially evil.

Evil Eye wrote:I will say that Transformers does have a lack of truly contemptible, evil female characters. Airachnid is the closest example I can think of. Most others are either tragic villains or not especially evil.

I think Blackarachnia did a pretty good job. Or does her turn in season 3 disqualify her? Otherwise, yeah it's pretty much Airachnid. I think if they made Shattered Glass Windblade she could become quite despicable, seeing as how heroic she is.

MaximalNui wrote:Now that we're talking about Seekers, how about a IDW1 Forged Starscream? It's a really cool design and concept, but since it's such a deviation from the traditional look of a well-established character, it's very unlikely to be made.

Might as well do Senator Shockwave while we're at it.



Emerje

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:I will say that Transformers does have a lack of truly contemptible, evil female characters. Airachnid is the closest example I can think of. Most others are either tragic villains or not especially evil.

I think Blackarachnia did a pretty good job. Or does her turn in season 3 disqualify her? Otherwise, yeah it's pretty much Airachnid. I think if they made Shattered Glass Windblade she could become quite despicable, seeing as how heroic she is.

She might qualify as tragic given the whole shell program thing

Evil Eye wrote:I will say that Transformers does have a lack of truly contemptible, evil female characters. Airachnid is the closest example I can think of. Most others are either tragic villains or not especially evil.

I'd think Shatter would fall into this as well, but it is a good point, good female villains in TFs are hard to come by

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:I will say that Transformers does have a lack of truly contemptible, evil female characters. Airachnid is the closest example I can think of. Most others are either tragic villains or not especially evil.

I'd think Shatter would fall into this as well, but it is a good point, good female villains in TFs are hard to come by

Airachnid was golden in Prime.
I want another cruel and truly evil villain like her. But I also want a truly coward and sly female villain some another who is dumb line a brick like the girl below:

I completely forgot about Shatter! She was fantastic. But yeah, more villainous fembots that aren't just femme fatales would be welcome. I had an idea for an OC fembot named Ironside who turns into a tank, with an attitude as bad as her German accent. Not exactly stupid but short-tempered, arrogant and a total brute. I also had in mind she'd be voiced by Tiffany Grant doing her absolute worst German accent she could muster. So basically Asuka but without the tragic backstory.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:I will say that Transformers does have a lack of truly contemptible, evil female characters. Airachnid is the closest example I can think of. Most others are either tragic villains or not especially evil.

I'd think Shatter would fall into this as well, but it is a good point, good female villains in TFs are hard to come by

I still can't believe that the best villains in the entire movie series were a couple of generic mooks who were literally invented for the movie and didn't exist beforehand

What, have we forgotten Shadowstriker already? She was arguably the best thing about Cyberverse season 1. Shame she never got a Warrior figure in either body.




Emerje

Emerje wrote:What, have we forgotten Shadowstriker already? She was arguably the best thing about Cyberverse season 1. Shame she never got a Warrior figure in either body.




Emerje

Or a deluxe.

Pretty basic, and self explanatory but: SS86 Megatron.

o.supreme wrote:Pretty basic, and self explanatory but: SS86 Megatron.

Yup. Even with that good ol' orange safety tip, it's a big no-no.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Pretty basic, and self explanatory but: SS86 Megatron.

Yup. Even with that good ol' orange safety tip, it's a big no-no.

Not even as an online exclusive? I mean, he would be completely plastic this time around, and they can make him look like a toy while still looking like Megatron. With all his accessories, a voyager class figure at leader or commander price. Or even as a Japanese exclusive that would have to be imported at crazy prices? But at least it would exist.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Pretty basic, and self explanatory but: SS86 Megatron.

Yup. Even with that good ol' orange safety tip, it's a big no-no.

Not even as an online exclusive? I mean, he would be completely plastic this time around, and they can make him look like a toy while still looking like Megatron. With all his accessories, a voyager class figure at leader or commander price. Or even as a Japanese exclusive that would have to be imported at crazy prices? But at least it would exist.

My guess is only Takara would dare to do it.

We could get something that is like the old Toyworld Egemon but better.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

MaximalNui wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I would really love to see female Starscream make an official appearance. But she should be G1 Starscream at his worst but cranked to 11. Her cowardice, vileness, and sneakiness would be so hardcore, it would make even the Original Starscream wince.

...why, exactly?

Gender equality. Only in Manga and Anime are women allowed to be brain dead annoying idiots AND suffer the consequences of their idiocy. In Western media, females must be perfect or the woke mob will lynch you.
That's why we will never see her in Western media, nor a toy of her ever being made.

Oh, ok. It's just the way you worded it sounded a bit problematic at first reading, as if a female version of Starscream had to naturally be more vile than the male one. Thanks for clarifying.

I get what you mean; it's really annoying when a specific group is always portrayed in a single way with no variety as if they're a mass of clones mentality-wise, whether positive or negative. One of the reasons I can't get into anime outside of Ghibli is because women are usually portrayed as mere accessories of the male heroes or to provide fanservice (maybe I'm looking at the wrong shows?), and a trope I absolutely hate in Western sitcoms for its omnipresence is the "dad is a bumbling buffon while mom always has the intellectual & moral high ground even when she really doesn't".

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:I will say that Transformers does have a lack of truly contemptible, evil female characters. Airachnid is the closest example I can think of. Most others are either tragic villains or not especially evil.

I think Blackarachnia did a pretty good job. Or does her turn in season 3 disqualify her? Otherwise, yeah it's pretty much Airachnid. I think if they made Shattered Glass Windblade she could become quite despicable, seeing as how heroic she is.

She might qualify as tragic given the whole shell program thing

Honestly, I'm not sure how much the shell program really affected her personality. When it was purged by the Transmetal Driver she remained mostly the same; as the character herself said, "Even when I'm good, I'm still bad."

I'd also probably add "mook" level of evil to the most common villain Transformer females, like Strika (both Beast Machines and Animated) and Animated Slipstream: certainly evil and scarily competent, but not sadistic enough to be vile nor proactive enough to be villains on their own (or not enough screentime to show it).

Emerje wrote:What, have we forgotten Shadowstriker already? She was arguably the best thing about Cyberverse season 1. Shame she never got a Warrior figure in either body.




Emerje

Or at all for her second (and ironically most used) form. Which I don't get why they never even tried.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Pretty basic, and self explanatory but: SS86 Megatron.

Yup. Even with that good ol' orange safety tip, it's a big no-no.

Not even as an online exclusive? I mean, he would be completely plastic this time around, and they can make him look like a toy while still looking like Megatron. With all his accessories, a voyager class figure at leader or commander price. Or even as a Japanese exclusive that would have to be imported at crazy prices? But at least it would exist.

My guess is only Takara would dare to do it.

We could get something that is like the old Toyworld Egemon but better.

Pretty much only Takara. And even then I highly doubt it.

Speaking of (another) Megatron, if only to give that ridiculously awesome hand mode some actual use:

MaximalNui wrote:Oh, ok. It's just the way you worded it sounded a bit problematic at first reading, as if a female version of Starscream had to naturally be more vile than the male one. Thanks for clarifying.

I get what you mean; it's really annoying when a specific group is always portrayed in a single way with no variety as if they're a mass of clones mentality-wise, whether positive or negative. One of the reasons I can't get into anime outside of Ghibli is because women are usually portrayed as mere accessories of the male heroes or to provide fanservice (maybe I'm looking at the wrong shows?), and a trope I absolutely hate in Western sitcoms for its omnipresence is the "dad is a bumbling buffon while mom always has the intellectual & moral high ground even when she really doesn't".

Well, that fem-Screamers HAVE to be worse. For two reasons. First, not to be the exact same Starscream because it would be boring, and two, seeing such an absurdly coward and vile female villain in transformers would be quite refreshing. Why not follow the Animated principle and have Starscream make clones based on his personalities? But this time instead of Slipstream, Vilewhisper would come out and she would be so despicable.

About anime, if you just watch the usual harem-isekai trash, don't expect much from the girls. They ARE only to "enhance" the male protagonist and to fulfil a fantasy. There's nothing wrong with that but it's like if you'd say you don't like American cuisine and all you know from them is McDonald's. Anima is a medium. All genres are represented of all styles for all ages and ratings. You'll just have to look further. If you have Netflix, I suggest Violet Evergarden, Castlevania, or Komi Can't Communicate for something other than "fast-food".

Finally, that trope of the dumb husband with the perfect wife that have been plaguing Western media since at least 30 years from movies to TV, to adds and more? I too, wish it would just disappear. It only serves to make the role of the dad appear "worthless" and it lie to women that they can take care of a family alone AND work without problems.
Is it so hard to have some sort of equilibrium? Some balance without going full Taliban?

Anyway.
An original EVIL AND COWARD AND STUPID original villainess seeker. A Shattered glass but repatched glass with stucko but shattered again R63 Starscream from 3 parallel universes ahead of him.
Gimme that.
But HASTAK won't ever.

Autobot N wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:I will say that Transformers does have a lack of truly contemptible, evil female characters. Airachnid is the closest example I can think of. Most others are either tragic villains or not especially evil.

I'd think Shatter would fall into this as well, but it is a good point, good female villains in TFs are hard to come by

I still can't believe that the best villains in the entire movie series were a couple of generic mooks who were literally invented for the movie and didn't exist beforehand

Lockdown is pretty dope.

Day 744 of waiting for Transformetrs Armada Masterpiece news.

TulioDude wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:I will say that Transformers does have a lack of truly contemptible, evil female characters. Airachnid is the closest example I can think of. Most others are either tragic villains or not especially evil.

I'd think Shatter would fall into this as well, but it is a good point, good female villains in TFs are hard to come by

I still can't believe that the best villains in the entire movie series were a couple of generic mooks who were literally invented for the movie and didn't exist beforehand

Lockdown is pretty dope.

Day 744 of waiting for Transformetrs Armada Masterpiece news.

Yeah, both Lockdown and Sentinel were better villains than Shatter and Dropkick. Not that those 2 were bad. Just not better.

Emerje wrote:What, have we forgotten Shadowstriker already? She was arguably the best thing about Cyberverse season 1. Shame she never got a Warrior figure in either body.




Emerje

Oh, I didn't forget her. But she also had tragedy and redemption of sorts mixed in, so I don't count her as bad to the bone to the end. But she is an amazing character who deserves a better toy

o.supreme wrote:Pretty basic, and self explanatory but: SS86 Megatron.

So this guy. But smaller IE in scale with the rest of the SS86 line. Cheaper too.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Pretty basic, and self explanatory but: SS86 Megatron.

So this guy. But smaller IE in scale with the rest of the SS86 line. Cheaper too.

Toyworld did that with their flawed but still nice Hegemon.



HASTAK could get a clue or two from it and make something way better for cheaper. It could be a leader counting parts and accessories.

We all know that such a toy would never hit retail...online Exclusive though? That could work

Not exactly one I need, but I see your Megatron and raise you a Browning. Between the name and being an actual gun instead of a fictionalized model, it's pretty much impossible.




By the way, would a permanently attached fire blast effect count as an orange cap?