The Energon Pub

o.supreme wrote:I could be mistaken, but I think AllNewSuperRobot's comment wasn't connected to yours.

Indeed. Thinking along the lines of a Master Version of Monstructor, my trail of thought went to the Pretender Leader - Thunderwing. Another character HasTak couldn't care less about.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I could be mistaken, but I think AllNewSuperRobot's comment wasn't connected to yours.

Indeed. Thinking along the lines of a Master Version of Monstructor, my trail of thought went to the Pretender Leader - Thunderwing. Another character HasTak couldn't care less about.

Bludgeon is hogging all the spotlight.
I love Bludgeon, but Thunderwing deserves more than that lone Generations deluxe and lone titan-master head.

I guess the thing that works in Bludgeon's favour is that he is an easy Tank Bot retool. Thunderwing is a unique mold.

He'd be great in Commander Class.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I guess the thing that works in Bludgeon's favour is that he is an easy Tank Bot retool. Thunderwing is a unique mold.

He'd be great in Commander Class.

Just a leader if they remove the Pretender concept as they always do.
But if he remains a Mega Pretender but with modernised engineering and articulations, he'd definitely fit the Commander class.

The Pretender concept is the same as that of the Fuzors IE very context specific. They just need to give the idea a new approach and it would be viable again. If they can make money out of the Actionmaster concept again, ala RED. Then it shouldn't be too difficult to relaunch the Pretenders.

Thunderwing would have been perfect for the PotP evolution gimmick, and was on the poll for it for that reason. But because of people being soooo anxious to get Beast Wars remakes, we got Optimus Primal instead (with mixed results IMO). And the line's being shortened doomed it to only being those three Leader molds. Sigh.

o.supreme wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And that's relevant how...? Majin Zarak isn't a leader. Majin Zarak is a movie-exclusive monster from Beast Wars II.




I'd say that anime movie-exclusive nature combined with the freaky design and the fact that he'd require a big toy to not come off as lame are much more important factors.

I could be mistaken, but I think AllNewSuperRobot's comment wasn't connected to yours.

As for Majin Zarak, the reason why he's mentioned here often is because he is freaking awesome! (my opinion) vs yours that he is "lame".

Maybe you should read posts more carefully before responding. I did NOT say he was lame. I said he'd need a big toy to not come off as lame. He's an absolutely awesome (which I said in the post where I first mentioned him; evidently you also overlooked that ) and impressive-looking monstrosity... but him getting relegated to Voyager or Deluxe for his relative obscurity would severely undercut that. Even Leader wouldn't really cut it for him, not with what it is today.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Really reminds me that we still need a Botanica figure, and they still don't seem in a hurry to give her one

On the subject of Scorponok-related stuff we'll never get: Zazorigan from ER Scorponok. As far as Titan-class redeco stuff goes, I think that's pretty solidly a "never."

Neo Brave Maximus, I'd say there's maybe a 50/50 chance of us getting.
Even Metrotitan and Gigastorm have a shot.

But a Brave mecha (who is thus not even actually a Transformer)? It ain't happening lol. That's right up there with Peritus Maximus for unlikelihood.

Another Titan-size pipe dream: Megastar. The RiD Predacons' vessel looks an awful lot like it's the salvaged torso of a titan-size bot, so why not render it in toy form as said titan?

Armada Fortress Maximus. Fairly simple repaint. Just to complete the set.

I hope it’s allowed but I can’t limit myself to just one, and apologies to those who have said any of these before:
-Hasbro (Legacy?) Transformers: Prime Silas/MECH Breakdown
-show-accurate deco Transformers: Prime Nemesis Prime
-Studio Series vending machine Dispensor (Core class?)
-Studio Series ROTF Ransack
-Studio Series DOTM Hatchet (Eurofighter Typhoon/inspired altmode)
-Studio Series BB Blitzwing with an F-4 Phantom altmode
-Studio Series BB Shockwave at a reasonable scale
-a proper, new tool Generations Rotorstorm based on the original toy and Last Stand of the Wreckers
-Generations/Legacy G2 Ransack
-Generations/Legacy G2 Skyquake
-SS86(84?) Megatron and Shockwave
-Masterpiece G2 Optimus Prime (soundbox version)
-Transformers Collaborative/Crossovers Blue Thunder and/or Airwolf
- Apex Armor for Transformers: Prime First Edition Starscream

No needs to apologize for multiple wishes in a single post nor for repeated wishes told pages ago.

BRING THEM ON!

I also support a SS RotF Dispensor who would be just the vending machine and core class.

Evil Eye wrote:I like the idea that Cybertronian lifeforms have transformation baked into their very DNA, so even the most primitive animal would have two "modes" of some form.

I'm imagining something like a normal animal mode and a Transmetal-style psuedo-vehicle mode, rather than a full humanoid transformation. So ground-based lifeforms might have wheels they could deploy for extra speed, flying forms might be able to pop out jets or hoverfans, aquatic forms could have thrusters and supercavitation... basically, either variants on "stealth" and "speed" modes, or "agile" vs "construction" modes, with things like diggers, forklifts, smelters... little raccoon-type forms which disassemble everything they can lay hands on and then engage in crude trade with other life for energy or raw materials (maybe in symbiotic or mutualistic relationships). They might even perform basic maintenance and/or cleaning.

I'd also want to see something with advanced mimicry skills, which can extrude a variety of psuedo-kibble and uses transformation abilities to take on the approximate shapes of other lifeforms. Not something with an altmode scanner, but just something with a lot of physical flexibility, maybe a color-changing surface.

Geminii wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:I like the idea that Cybertronian lifeforms have transformation baked into their very DNA, so even the most primitive animal would have two "modes" of some form.

I'm imagining something like a normal animal mode and a Transmetal-style psuedo-vehicle mode, rather than a full humanoid transformation. So ground-based lifeforms might have wheels they could deploy for extra speed, flying forms might be able to pop out jets or hoverfans, aquatic forms could have thrusters and supercavitation... basically, either variants on "stealth" and "speed" modes, or "agile" vs "construction" modes, with things like diggers, forklifts, smelters... little raccoon-type forms which disassemble everything they can lay hands on and then engage in crude trade with other life for energy or raw materials (maybe in symbiotic or mutualistic relationships). They might even perform basic maintenance and/or cleaning.

I'd also want to see something with advanced mimicry skills, which can extrude a variety of psuedo-kibble and uses transformation abilities to take on the approximate shapes of other lifeforms. Not something with an altmode scanner, but just something with a lot of physical flexibility, maybe a color-changing surface.

That sounds pretty awesome.

Lemme add another gimmick. Not only those would be beast to vehicles, but how about a duocon gimmick à la Energon to make super beasts? You would also be able to make a huge variety of hybrids.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The Pretender concept is the same as that of the Fuzors IE very context specific. They just need to give the idea a new approach and it would be viable again. If they can make money out of the Actionmaster concept again, ala RED. Then it shouldn't be too difficult to relaunch the Pretenders.

Especially if they take advantage of one potential worldbuilding thread for the Pretenders: alien world and civilizations where, for some reason (probably a low tech level), the typical Transformers disguises won't work. We saw some of that in the G1 Marvel comics with Femax, Pz-Zazz, the Grand Central Space Station and other worlds with giant "human" aliens, but the Decepticons' (and Longtooth's) more monstrous shells are great, untapped alien species design.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Really reminds me that we still need a Botanica figure, and they still don't seem in a hurry to give her one

Probably because it'd be a pain to design her transformation. I'm still not half sure where the kibble should go. But yes, I'd love to have a toy of her.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Another Titan-size pipe dream: Megastar. The RiD Predacons' vessel looks an awful lot like it's the salvaged torso of a titan-size bot, so why not render it in toy form as said titan?

I second that. Especially if they also launched an RiD Megatron/Galvatron (either a remolded reissue or a new version) to combine the hand mode to.

RotorstormNZ wrote:I hope it’s allowed but I can’t limit myself to just one, and apologies to those who have said any of these before:

No worries man; my first post in this topic was also a list and no one raised an eyebrow. And given how many posts there are now, there's boud to be some repetition. Great minds think alike and all that.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Geminii wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:I like the idea that Cybertronian lifeforms have transformation baked into their very DNA, so even the most primitive animal would have two "modes" of some form.

I'm imagining something like a normal animal mode and a Transmetal-style psuedo-vehicle mode, rather than a full humanoid transformation. So ground-based lifeforms might have wheels they could deploy for extra speed, flying forms might be able to pop out jets or hoverfans, aquatic forms could have thrusters and supercavitation... basically, either variants on "stealth" and "speed" modes, or "agile" vs "construction" modes, with things like diggers, forklifts, smelters... little raccoon-type forms which disassemble everything they can lay hands on and then engage in crude trade with other life for energy or raw materials (maybe in symbiotic or mutualistic relationships). They might even perform basic maintenance and/or cleaning.

I'd also want to see something with advanced mimicry skills, which can extrude a variety of psuedo-kibble and uses transformation abilities to take on the approximate shapes of other lifeforms. Not something with an altmode scanner, but just something with a lot of physical flexibility, maybe a color-changing surface.

That sounds pretty awesome.

Lemme add another gimmick. Not only those would be beast to vehicles, but how about a duocon gimmick à la Energon to make super beasts? You would also be able to make a huge variety of hybrids.

I'd also be down for that. There's already a few species with transformation capabilites (the singlehorns from Cyberverse were shown onscreen, and the machadrons are described with tank modes in BWU); it wouldn't be too out of place to expand to other animals as well.


And I'd definitely support additional gimmicks to represent evolutionary features. I remember the Marvel Scraplets could combine into a humanoid form, and I could easily see animals also using "weaponizer" creatures in a symbiotic relation, subdividing into different components controlled by a hive mind, having a super/battle mode or having multiple modes for different environments, among others.

I have no idea how HasTak would do this,but it would be cool if they made an updated version of Menasor,that combines while members are still in vehicle mode,then would rise up like the Turbo Megazord.

I don't see that being a thing in CHUG, but IMO it could totally happen in Cyberverse or whatever follows that. And it's the kind of thing that should happen there.

Something I'm astounded that they didn't do, and sorely wish they had, is a cw/uw/potp/selects energon optimus prime:
-Voyager optimus prime, redecoed in energon colors
-Skyburst/stormclash version of the heli mold further retooled to replace the rotor assembly w/ a conning tower and the tailfin section with a submarine rudder to make Submarine-4
-skyburst/stormclash redecoed into Copter-2, using the other headsculpt of the pair from sub-4
-unite warriors nosecone redecoed into Digger-3
-rook either redecoed or retooled with a new vehicle front for a windshield, and a new fireladder accessory that plugs onto the roof post for Fire-1

alekese wrote:Something I'm astounded that they didn't do, and sorely wish they had, is a cw/uw/potp/selects energon optimus prime:
-Voyager optimus prime, redecoed in energon colors
-Skyburst/stormclash version of the heli mold further retooled to replace the rotor assembly w/ a conning tower and the tailfin section with a submarine rudder to make Submarine-4
-skyburst/stormclash redecoed into Copter-2, using the other headsculpt of the pair from sub-4
-unite warriors nosecone redecoed into Digger-3
-rook either redecoed or retooled with a new vehicle front for a windshield, and a new fireladder accessory that plugs onto the roof post for Fire-1

Yeah, well, I'm not too surprised they didn't go there, considering the even-more-astounding choice of even Takara failing to do a complete "Masquerade" homage when the line had Autobots sharing molds with Stunticons (seriously, what the hell?). Funnily enough, we actually got somewhat closer to the Energon Optimus homage than we did to that! the limb colors of the official "Optimus Maximus"/"Convoy Grand Prime" configurations are chosen in reference to Energon Optimus' super mode.



"Convoy Grand Prime" even has the chest panels open to further the Energon reference.

Going as far as you suggest would have had to be a UW/Takara Selects thing. Too much retooling needed for anything less (especially with the dumb decision by Hasbro to have a pickup mold instead of a vanette mold; if they'd given us a vanette Fire-1 would be a simple matter of a ladder accessory ... And of course 3P are too busy making their stupid jumbo-size witchcraft combiners to give us a proper CW First Aid or CW-based Energon Optimus drones...). That being said, Takara may well revisit the idea even though it's been a while.

A proper update of Energon Optimus would be amazing.
Especially if the lone Optimus remains a "fattimus" and the drone limbs becomes original character with their own unique bot mode.

-Kanrabat- wrote:A proper update of Energon Optimus would be amazing.
Especially if the lone Optimus remains a "fattimus" and the drone limbs becomes original character with their own unique bot mode.

Mind you, to be a true proper update of Energon Optimus, he'd have to be accompanied by lossless updates of - or else be backwards-compatible with - these two:

A Star Saber is a given.

But an Omega Supreme would have to be a Titan. Furthermore, the only "combining" happening is a head-swap, making the gimmick pointless.
Still, I see an Energon Onega Sentinel happening. Titan class, of course, and a head-swapping gimmick to represent the "combined mode" with Optimus.

-Kanrabat- wrote:A Star Saber is a given.

Bit of a difference between Wing Saber and Star Saber, even if the homage is obvious. The transformation needs are substantially different, due to Wing Saber being a powerup add-on as opposed to the leader who wears it (Which is what Star Saber is).

-Kanrabat- wrote:But an Omega Supreme would have to be a Titan.

Which would be too big for the Energon version unless the split vehicles reduced the size of the whole.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Furthermore, the only "combining" happening is a head-swap, making the gimmick pointless.

No.

The head may be all that appears from the front, but Optimus' whole body is still docked inside. And don't forget the drones attaching (Wing Saber's parts can do the same).

-Kanrabat- wrote:Still, I see an Energon Onega Sentinel happening. Titan class, of course, and a head-swapping gimmick to represent the "combined mode" with Optimus.

Which would require a fake Optimus head unless the previously-mentioned size thing was resolved, and either way would be a downgraded faux-implementation or half-implementation. So it wouldn't be a true update on the Optimus end.

I forgo quoting for simplicity.

That picture you posted proves my point in how POINTLESS do king Optimus inside Omega Sentinel is for the combined mode. All it truly gives is a new head while giving KIBNLE CANCER on the back.

Make an updated TITAN Onega Sentinel. Skip the stupid combination that requires a huge hollow space for nothing. Gives that Sentinel a head-swap gimmick that requires no partsforming. Of course, that Optimus head would be a "fake" one and would be big enough to be proportionate to the Titan body.

Of course it wouldn't be a "true" update but if we play that game, NO updates are ever "true." Gimmicks get modified or left out all the time. Proportions change. And so on.


Also, you know I meant WING Saber.

Speaking of Energon, I kinda wish we'd get a second Autobot Energon "Scramble City" combiner. I know canonically that the second (Dauntless Maximus) was just a clone of Superion Maximus, and only existed to be destroyed by Galvatron, but a fun-size Computron or Defensor would be awesome, at least IMO. I dunno, I have a lot of nostalgia for those guys.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I forgo quoting for simplicity.

That picture you posted proves my point in how POINTLESS do king Optimus inside Omega Sentinel is for the combined mode. All it truly gives is a new head while giving KIBNLE CANCER on the back.

No, it also makes Optimus actually part of the equation instead of being awkwardly left out while his drones attach. And the "kibble cancer" can be dealt with via improvements to Optimus' engineering. Also, way to completely ignore the thing about the drones attaching.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Make an updated TITAN Onega Sentinel.

Again, too sodding big unless the multi-component nature reined in the size.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Skip the stupid combination that requires a huge hollow space for nothing.

You mean the combination that lets you recreate a significant thing from the Energon cartoon? And the hollow space that's a function of the body being itself a combiner (in his individual vehicle modes, it gives a place for the neck plate and the left arm's shoulder joint to go)?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Gives that Sentinel a head-swap gimmick that requires no partsforming.

The only "partsforming" the combination requires in the first place is detaching the Headmaster figure.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Of course, that Optimus head would be a "fake" one and would be big enough to be proportionate to the Titan body.

Meh.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Of course it wouldn't be a "true" update but if we play that game, NO updates are ever "true." Gimmicks get modified or left out all the time. Proportions change. And so on.

That's fair, but there are degrees. MP Star Saber still had the Brain of Courage dock inside Saber's body even though it no longer sprung out the face, because it still replicated the feel and the fiction as best as possible, and was superior to having the Brain of Courage figure left sitting out on his lonesome.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, you know I meant WING Saber.

No, I didn't. I was thinking you meant we would get Star Saber and Wing Saber would be made from him. Because Wing Saber is NOT a "given". Optimus could happen, because he's an Optimus. Omega Supreme/an Omega Sentinel is likewise in the cards, because they're out of G1 material for new Titan-class molds. Wing Saber? Not so guaranteed.