The Energon Pub

If they remake Energon Optimus, thw WILL remake Wingsaber. Because he's the preferred way to combine Optimus.

As for combining Optimus with Sentinel, am I wrong to say that common consensus find that combination horrendous?

-Kanrabat- wrote:If they remake Energon Optimus, thw WILL remake Wingsaber. Because he's the preferred way to combine Optimus.

As for combining Optimus with Sentinel, am I wrong to say that common consensus find that combination horrendous?

Not really horrendous as in "ugly" largely because of the proportionally small head, but more like... pointless, and it doesn't add anything special or even significant. It effectively downgrades Omega to an overly large suit.

Here's something that will never happen- a thread where someone disagrees with ZeldaTheSwordsman where he doesn't get needlessly hostile and aggressive over nothing.

Personally, speaking as someone that really likes Energon Omega Supreme, I always thought the Optimus Supreme combination was kinda dorky. It really is just Prime wearing Omega like a suit (I didn't even know about the mass of truck sticking out the back!), with the only significant difference to the look being the extra shoulder pylon...thing and having Prime's head. Yes you can stick the drones on but it looks daft. Also, even as someone with nostalgia for the UT as a whole, the Energon anime was not very good.

Now Wing Sabre, absolutely, a new one to go with a new Chonkimus Prime would be nice. The original looks awesome in robot mode even if he can't move, the combinations with Prime are badass and the vehicle mode is interesting, being as it is a (THICC) flying wing type aircraft. He's a great concept let down by engineering and I think we could do better now.

It's just... I find fake-combining like that rather vexatious, and I feel it would be better to leave it out if they weren't going to do it for real. And personally I find armor-type combinations like that interesting and neat. >.> <.<

-Kanrabat- wrote:If they remake Energon Optimus, thw WILL remake Wingsaber. Because he's the preferred way to combine Optimus.

That's no guarantee. I'm sorry, but it's not. Because that would be spending a Leader slot on a non-G1/BW character that wasn't an Optimus (or a Megatron or Starscream), and that they couldn't lazily repaint into or from somebody else.

Not saying it wouldn't be nice, I'm just saying you're giving "fans like that better" an awful lot of weight vs. the juggernaut that is Hasbro's lack of energy when it comes to non-G1/BW stuff in CHUG.



Something it feels at this point that they'll never make: Legion or at this point Legends/Core-class Galvatron.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Not saying it wouldn't be nice, I'm just saying you're giving "fans like that better" an awful lot of weight vs. the juggernaut that is Hasbro's lack of energy when it comes to non-G1/BW stuff in CHUG.

That is a disappointing truth.
For now, I'll stick with my originals.

Speaking of UT remakes, I know it was discussed aplenty before, but I really want a titan Tidalwave even if his size is inconsistent in the show and games. I want a HUGE Tidalwave and he would be a nice opponent to the upcoming Cybertron Metroplex. As for the "combined mode" with a possible Armada Megatron, leave it out completely. It was stupid in the show and especially in the OG toys form.

Disagree with you hard about that, I thought it was a cool addition of extra muscle and firepower (plus the flight capability). But here, I agree with leaving it out because of irreconcilable scale.

I wouldn't put a Titan-class Tidal Wave past them, again because they've run out of G1 possibilities for new Titan molds.
...Dear Primus, we're going to get a Titan-class Cybertron Starscream aren't we...

That is, of course, if the new Titan-class Cybertron Metroplex actually sells well. That's the big if.

Evil Eye wrote:Here's something that will never happen- a thread where someone disagrees with ZeldaTheSwordsman where he doesn't get needlessly hostile and aggressive over nothing.

I still wish for both a Titan Tidal Wave and a redeco of the Ark into the Last Autobot. Both near-certain impossibilities.

I do think it's time for T30 Metroplex to get an update next year for its 10th anniversary. Might help out people who couldnt get one, and these days he goes for about $600, which is about $400 too much. It wasn't even that great a figure anyway, IMO. And yeah, the Megatron-Tidal Wave combo looks dumb.

...y'know speaking of Tidal Wave, when the Velocitron stuff got listings last week and there was a sudden outburst of discourse around it again, one of the leakers posted a small list of things that Hasbro higher-ups/marketing are apparently refusing to let the designers make in response to a "Hasbro isn't THAT stupid" comment about Cosmos, and everyone thought it was a joke...until other leakers backed it up.
So IF that info is actually accurate (putting a number of disclaimers because I remember the Multiversal Menasor debacle), the following are legitimately figures that HasTak shot down and will not make for the time being/under the current team:
-ER Lockdown, because reasons
-Tidal Wave of any size, because they don't want to have to print Product Does Not Float on multilingual packaging
-The Fallen from the Siege Megatron mold, because reasons
-Blue Bacchus to go with TR Sky Shadow, because reasons
-Sunstorm from either WFC Seeker mold, because he's "too obscure to be marketable" (but Redwing and A LITERAL ZOMBIE THEY MADE UP aren't?)

...which sucks, because I would instantly grab Tidal Wave and Sunstorm, and would seriously consider the others based on the quality of the figures (I love Lockdown, but he requires his own mold to be good, hence his falling in the consider category).

Also for the record I am also on team Titan Class Tidal Wave, that Megatron combination was stupid. ...I think I may have said this elsewhere in this thread before, in hindsight.

No Sunstorm because he's too obscure? Yeah, I guess Hasbro IS that stupid.

That info reeks of bs to me. Especially the Sunstorm part, because Sunstorm has had multiple toys already. IMO if there's any hesitation to him, it would more realistically be belief he'd been done too much. Red Wing happening over him... I blame Target there lol. I think they wanted someone red as the Red Card exclusive. T-Wrecks and Road Rage only have me further convinced of that. As for the made-up zombie... To be fair, that was in a show tie-in line and the show featured said zombie.

Also, does anyone recall seeing "Does not float" on the SIEGE on Cybertron box or instructions? Anyone? No?

Blue Bacchus specifically to go with TR Sky Shadow isn't happening because TR Sky Shadow owes his existence to being an Overlord pretool, whereas who would a comparable Blue Bacchus be a pretool or retool of? Not to something dumb like this info. I think Blue Bacchus at all is decently likely. It all depends on when they get around to resurrecting the Evolution Thunderwing design (which, comparing PotP evolution to the Mega Pretenders, would basically be "G1 with knees" for him) and making stuff to go with that.

ER Lockdown, I would tend to think "nobody's been arsed to G1-ify him yet" more likely than an actual ban, especially since it would involve deciding whether to base him on Animated or on AoE. And The Fallen... Has kinda fallen from prominence, it feels like. As have the 13 in general, between the 2005 IDW continuity doing in the wizard when it came to them and the PotP machinima failing to hype them.

Here's mine, and it would actually fit really well this year. After getting Legacy Skids today, I want a vehicle reshell to an AMC Pacer for a 30th Anniversary crossovers with Wayne's World as Garth's car.

Nemesis Primal wrote:-Sunstorm from either WFC Seeker mold, because he's "too obscure to be marketable" (but Redwing and A LITERAL ZOMBIE THEY MADE UP aren't?)

To say nothing of his far less popular and memorable release mate Hauler getting a figure this year.

Emerje

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Blue Bacchus specifically to go with TR Sky Shadow isn't happening because TR Sky Shadow owes his existence to being an Overlord pretool, whereas who would a comparable Blue Bacchus be a pretool or retool of?

Crossblades

o.supreme wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Blue Bacchus specifically to go with TR Sky Shadow isn't happening because TR Sky Shadow owes his existence to being an Overlord pretool, whereas who would a comparable Blue Bacchus be a pretool or retool of?

Crossblades

Given that Crossblades wouldn't have really worked as TR basebot material, I'm assuming you're being facetious

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Blue Bacchus specifically to go with TR Sky Shadow isn't happening because TR Sky Shadow owes his existence to being an Overlord pretool, whereas who would a comparable Blue Bacchus be a pretool or retool of?

Crossblades

Given that Crossblades wouldn't have really worked as TR basebot material, I'm assuming you're being facetious

Speaking of him, I don't think any remakes could recreate the GLORIOUSNESS of the original:

Someone I just sold my ER Sky Lynx to suggested this: for the next crossover Hasbro should take said Sky Lynx, paint the top half completely yellow and the bottom half completely blue with a new head, and we get Big Bird and Cookie Monster. The vehicle mode would look ridiculous but the other modes could work.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That info reeks of bs to me. Especially the Sunstorm part, because Sunstorm has had multiple toys already. IMO if there's any hesitation to him, it would more realistically be belief he'd been done too much.

Counterpoint: Acid Storm has the exact same amount of figures now (unless you count Sunstorm's Masterpiece twice because of deco changes between Hasbro & Takara releases), but half of Sunstorm's figures were made without Hasbro's involvement, and there hasn't been a new Sunstorm for 8 years whereas Acid Storm got a new one in 5.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, does anyone recall seeing "Does not float" on the SIEGE on Cybertron box or instructions? Anyone? No?

Never had the set, cannot confirm. It is odd that they haven't done a single boat-former since then, though, and I assume there may be more strict safety stuff they would have to adhere to when comparing an online retailer exclusive to one of the biggest headliner retail figures in a line (which would be the slot Tidal Wave would take). Or maybe some safety thing or internal guideline changed, I dunno. This whole thing to me feels juuust stupid enough to be real, honestly, and I don't get what the benefit would be in someone making it up.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:ER Lockdown, I would tend to think "nobody's been arsed to G1-ify him yet" more likely than an actual ban, especially since it would involve deciding whether to base him on Animated or on AoE.

When would have been a better time to do a new Lockdown than the line where one of the main marketing/plot points is that it has an ENTIRE FACTION OF BOUNTY HUNTERS? We know the design team wasn't against doing G1 versions of non-G1 guys at that point, they just did Barricade and were about to do him again, Lockdown really feels like he should have been a no-brainer...unless the person who made the decision of No Lockdown was someone who didn't know the character and/or didn't have faith in him selling, like a corporate higher-up.

As for the Animated vs AoE thing, I would assume they would go Animated since that's what they did for his Cyberverse incarnation (who, come to think of it, didn't get any figures either).

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Blue Bacchus specifically to go with TR Sky Shadow isn't happening because TR Sky Shadow owes his existence to being an Overlord pretool, whereas who would a comparable Blue Bacchus be a pretool or retool of?

Crossblades

Given that Crossblades wouldn't have really worked as TR basebot material, I'm assuming you're being facetious

To be fair, the rumor never specified a TR Blue Bacchus, it just said Blue Bacchus. They released Flywheels and half the deluxe Female Autobots in the line after they did the first 2 and Battletrap (and Battletrap had more gimmickry/functionality than Flywheels despite them going together), and then the same thing happened again with Apeface and Snapdragon, there's no guarantee they wouldn't have done that again.

Emerje wrote:To say nothing of his far less popular and memorable release mate Hauler getting a figure this year.

Right?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Speaking of him, I don't think any remakes could recreate the GLORIOUSNESS of the original:

Hopefully it could look less like a man lying down though?

Nemesis Primal wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Speaking of him, I don't think any remakes could recreate the GLORIOUSNESS of the original:

Hopefully it could look less like a man lying down though?

Lying down and broken and in a lot of pain.
That's the main point of the gloriousness.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That info reeks of bs to me. Especially the Sunstorm part, because Sunstorm has had multiple toys already. IMO if there's any hesitation to him, it would more realistically be belief he'd been done too much.

Counterpoint: Acid Storm has the exact same amount of figures now (unless you count Sunstorm's Masterpiece twice because of deco changes between Hasbro & Takara releases), but half of Sunstorm's figures were made without Hasbro's involvement, and there hasn't been a new Sunstorm for 8 years whereas Acid Storm got a new one in 5.

G1 Sunstorm may only have an equal number of figures to Acid Storm... But the Sunstorm name and color scheme have been much more of a go-to for redecoes in general than Acid Storm.
But in between posting that, it occurred to me: There's also Sunstorm's similarity to Nova Storm to consider.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, does anyone recall seeing "Does not float" on the SIEGE on Cybertron box or instructions? Anyone? No?

Never had the set, cannot confirm. It is odd that they haven't done a single boat-former since then, though, and I assume there may be more strict safety stuff they would have to adhere to when comparing an online retailer exclusive to one of the biggest headliner retail figures in a line (which would be the slot Tidal Wave would take). Or maybe some safety thing or internal guideline changed, I dunno. This whole thing to me feels juuust stupid enough to be real, honestly, and I don't get what the benefit would be in someone making it up.

1. I have looked at pictures of the box and scans of the instructions - no such disclaimer. Ditto for Broadside and Alpha Trion, who was general retail. 2a. Boatformers aren't exactly common lol 2b. We haven't had any outright boat-formers, but we've still had some boats via Cyberverse. And SS86 Scourge would easily be mistaken for a boat. 3. I personally doubt it though. As for why/how it would be made up... Wild guessing/conspiracy theory/troll bs circle-pumped into being "common knowledge"? It's happened before.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:ER Lockdown, I would tend to think "nobody's been arsed to G1-ify him yet" more likely than an actual ban, especially since it would involve deciding whether to base him on Animated or on AoE.

When would have been a better time to do a new Lockdown than the line where one of the main marketing/plot points is that it has an ENTIRE FACTION OF BOUNTY HUNTERS?

Just because an obvious thing to do, was not done? Does not automatically mean somebody prohibited. Laziness is also a possibility, as is the team having a brain fart, and I personally find both of those far more likely than "U no can use him!"

Nemesis Primal wrote:We know the design team wasn't against doing G1 versions of non-G1 guys at that point, they just did Barricade and were about to do him again, Lockdown really feels like he should have been a no-brainer...unless the person who made the decision of No Lockdown was someone who didn't know the character and/or didn't have faith in him selling, like a corporate higher-up.

Ooor nobody thought to do it or felt bothered to do it. This is the same company that failed to do a "Masquerade" homage during Combiner Wars even though that was also a no-brainer.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Blue Bacchus specifically to go with TR Sky Shadow isn't happening because TR Sky Shadow owes his existence to being an Overlord pretool, whereas who would a comparable Blue Bacchus be a pretool or retool of?

Crossblades

Given that Crossblades wouldn't have really worked as TR basebot material, I'm assuming you're being facetious

To be fair, the rumor never specified a TR Blue Bacchus, it just said Blue Bacchus. They released Flywheels and half the deluxe Female Autobots in the line after they did the first 2 and Battletrap (and Battletrap had more gimmickry/functionality than Flywheels despite them going together), and then the same thing happened again with Apeface and Snapdragon, there's no guarantee they wouldn't have done that again.

My main point is, TR Sky Shadow's existence is a fluke of them wanting to milk more money out of the Overlord mold - they weren't trying to go for updating the set at the time, they just did Black/Sky Shadow because Overlord needed a moldmate and he conveniently worked well enough. A similar opening of convenience did not exist for Blue Bacchus.
PotP Battletrap and SIEGE Apeface meanwhile were both specifically made as updates, so it's no surprise that the other part of the set followed.

Unlike the conspiracy theorists, I have confidence we'll see a Blue Bacchus in time - around when doing Thunderwing enables Black Shadow to get a true update.

In regards to the Tidal wave 'does not float' speculation, it could be that there's some obscure consumer safety regulation that either only came into effect recently or only kicks in above a certain size. "All toy boats either greater than 6in in length or 12oz of weight must provide a disclaimer stating they do not float if product is incapable of floating" or something stupidly specific like that.

alekese wrote:In regards to the Tidal wave 'does not float' speculation, it could be that there's some obscure consumer safety regulation that either only came into effect recently or only kicks in above a certain size. "All toy boats either greater than 6in in length or 12oz of weight must provide a disclaimer stating they do not float if product is incapable of floating" or something stupidly specific like that.

Did Hasbro previously release any large toys or sets (perhaps with G.I.Joe or Marvel) that may have set a precedent for this?

Because of the HASLAB, Titan Unicron will never happen. As far as it'S the G1 character.

But what about the planned but never made Beast Wars Neo?





They could finally greenlight it's production. And if the design is imperfect or even too small for Titan, modify it to fit the class and improve it.

If they do remake Energon Wing Saber, I'd expect him to be a Weaponizer or a similar gimmick. The original already split into parts for the combination, anyway.

TulioDude wrote:I have no idea how HasTak would do this,but it would be cool if they made an updated version of Menasor,that combines while members are still in vehicle mode,then would rise up like the Turbo Megazord.

A combiner with an alt-mode? I'd really like that, it's so creative! Although personally, I'd prefer something like the Cyberverse Volcanicus set teased: a chimeric dragon beast.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:ER Lockdown, I would tend to think "nobody's been arsed to G1-ify him yet" more likely than an actual ban, especially since it would involve deciding whether to base him on Animated or on AoE. And The Fallen... Has kinda fallen from prominence, it feels like. As have the 13 in general, between the 2005 IDW continuity doing in the wizard when it came to them and the PotP machinima failing to hype them.

...what about the RoTF Lockdown? You, know, the design they actually used to G1-ify him for the IDW1 comics?

And if that's true about the Thirteen, and The Fallen particularly, then it's a shame. I'd love to have proper figures of all of them (and other "mythical" Transformers like The Last Autobot, The Covenant, the Guding Hand...). Especially since the PoTP couldn't hype anything it was so bad (I mean, they barely used any Thirteen aside from Megatronus and Solus).

Still, given they're still being explored in current media (between Maccaddam/Alchemist Prime in Cyberverse, Megatronus in Forged To Fight and their artifacts in IDW2), I don't think they're as dead a concept as they seem.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Because of the HASLAB, Titan Unicron will never happen. As far as it'S the G1 character.

But what about the planned but never made Beast Wars Neo?





They could finally greenlight it's production. And if the design is imperfect or even too small for Titan, modify it to fit the class and improve it.

And maybe a retool as Titan Primus? Unicron was possessing Cybertron when he took this form, after all.

Speaking of Titans and combiners, there's three EDIT: four (kept adding to the list and only rememberd to recount once ) crazy ideas I'd love to see but are unlikely to happen:
- A Titan combiner. Not a combiner in Titan class, like CW Devastator or PoTP Predaking, but a combiner whose gestalt mode is an actual Titan, city mode and all - especially if each individual bot had their own "base" mode.
- A combiner made of smaller (most likely of Micromaster scale) combiners. Especially if used for a Nexus Prime toy.
- An animal-themed Aerialbot team. So far I could see the members being: Fuzor Silverbolt (representing mythical beasts), BW Airazor (representing birds), BM Skydive (representing pterosaurs), a flying mammal (either a squirrel like Nightglider/Dark Scream or a bat like Sonar/BW Optimus Primal), and a flying insect (either an Alpha Bravo dragonfly or a Firelight firefly).
- An enemy Scramble Team for the Seacons, either the intended cancelled dinosaur combiner, or one centered around fire beasts.

Your last combiners ideas made me remember that we never got any updates on all the Beast Wars combiners.

Those were flawed, but oh so awesome! They really need a redo.



God Neptune doesn't count.

Well no, because God Neptune was a Piranacon recolor XD.
Maybe Magnaboss or Tripredacus will be the next Haslab project. Although it might be a while before they're touched, considering the existence of "Belongs with Universe (2008) Onslaught and Dragstrip, and TFCC Breakdown" Maximal Skywarp.

MaximalNui wrote:...what about the RoTF Lockdown? You, know, the design they actually used to G1-ify him for the IDW1 comics?

1. RotF Lockdown is just a Bayformerizing of the Animated design, so I wasn't counting him separately. 2. That's not a real G1-ification. That was "Let's use him because he fits with the half-Bayformerized aesthetic IDW art shifted to".

The 13 aren't dead, but they'll probably need Cyberverse or something else to build them back up before Hasbro makes more toys. That or a retread of "The Dark Ages"

On the subject of Hasbro failing at no-brainers: You would think that with "The different Titan Masters provide unique powers" and "Titan Masters adding to the tech specs" being the major fluff aspects promoting the collection of said Titan Masters in Titans Return, making those powers and tech specs clearly known by putting them on the separate-sale Titan Masters' packaging or instructions would have been a no-brainer. And yet, it never happened! Brilliant work there, Hasbro!