The Energon Pub

5150 Cruiser wrote:"Without Energon, the clones will die!"

I thought Starscream called them 'hatchlings?'

US army is sponsor of rotf so i believe they had wanted sth like that.

Not the main failiure of the movie but it would be better if they werent make US as only power of world. Nest must had been under UN command.

some silly things:

1 - Why China needed nest(US army) against demolishor China has a army(prime is ok but why US soldiers?).
2 - Lebanese army has only two chopters which had ultimately shot down and saved by US soldiers. Completely allienated us from movie.
3 - NY Yankee joke or whatever made non US watchers frozen.

As i said these were not the main failure and it was not the first movie US is only leader of the world so not a very big deal.

I was supporting Ivan Draga at Rocky IV and playing with Soviets at Red Alert 3 by the way .

hellkitty wrote:
I agree with you to an extent--it's an action movie. It was fun. I had a good time and don't think I wasted my money. But....(deep breath)

Actually, for some of us, critiquing things to death is kind of our job. In fact, I spent part of this weekend critiquing critiques. As part of my actual-yes-they-pay-me-to-do-this job. It's kind of hard to turn those Mad Skillz (tm) to the off position.

And 'just a movie'? Film has actually replaced books and poetry as the 'literature' of the 21st century. No one reads any more. At least, none of my students don't. So, what do I do? Do I force them to read Thomas Hardy because that's what I was forced to do when I was their age, or do I tackle what they find interesting and show them that that, too, speaks on the same level as Bard Billy Shakespeare?

And another 'just a movie'--up where I live, they finally concluded that this moron who set off a bomb outside a Starbuck's was directly inspired/motivated by _Fight Club_. Which is also *just a movie*.

HK, and now I'm gonna get banned for disagreeing with Da Boss

1) People still read even though you do not think they do. Look at how fast the Harry Potter books sell. I know plenty of people that still read on a daily basis.
2) What ever happened to gong to the movies to have fun? Maybe it is just my generation that looked forward to going to the movies to escape reality.. Suspend belief y'know not ripping a movie to shreds because it is not accurate enough or whatnot.

And yes, it is still "just a movie".

OptimusPrime352 wrote: So did everyone miss the Multi national patches for NEST? Obviously everyone also missed the chinese helping cover up and control the area in the beginning while working with the US led NEST group. I think it was a joint government thing with the US leading the way like it always does in the UN lol.

Exactly! Problem is if people would pay attention these things would have been explained. Instead some need there hand held during the whole movie and whine and bitch every time something about the plot isn't spoon feed to them. Its sad really.

OptimusPrime352 wrote:On another note, why is everyone so critical about how factual a movie about giant robots is? I feel sorry for the people that just can sit back and enjoy it without tearing it apart.

The'll never be happy. Even if there was some superb plot and story the'd still find somehting to complain about. This is the interent afterall.

Galvatron628 wrote:
I'm not asking for deep character development. I'm not asking for the Dark Night. I just want a deeper plot that makes more sense, is that too much to ask for? By all means the first one was pretty damn clear with the Allspark!

What was so damn hard to understand about the ROTF plot? It was perfectly clear. For the life of me i don't understand what was so difficult to follow.
Also, the problems you and many others say hindered from the plot and story (such as the demolisher line and Jetfire in the plane field)didn't.

Galvatron628 wrote: More or less the subplots and characters were pretty well defined. This one is pretty damn undefined. Lets see, we are teased with cameos of Arcee, Ironhide, Ratchet, and Sideswipe, but the majority of the movie is just Bumblebee and the moron twins. Honestly the autobots got more screen time in the first one it would seem.

And you'd be correct. The autobots did get more screen time cause the first movie focused more on them. This time around it was the cons turn, so they got more screen time. I'll give you more character development would have been better for certain autobots. Though Ironhide didn't need anything considering he was established pretty well in the first movie. As was Ratchet.

Galvatron628 wrote:And I'm sick of this whole "what do you expect from an Alien robot movie" talk. Seriously, I said it for a while too, but for crying out loud it could be a lot better. See Beast Wars. See Beast machines. Yes you can make good plots and storylines with Alien Robots!

Cause ultimately, that's what it is. Look, the movie wasn't perfect. No movie is. It definitely could have been better. But When you over analyze a movie such as your doing now, no matter what is done to improve it the next go around, your going to find something wrong. Also, the beast wars argument doesn't fly. Those worked well with for what they were, but would have had a hard time working on the big screen. What works in a 1/2 hour cartoon, does not mean success for a 2 hour movie.

Anti-American sentiment is bustling even here on Seibertron.com, but I think these fleshlings need to realize this is part of the continuity from the first movie. It all started on a US base against US soldiers, the major attacks took place against US targets because Megatron and the All spark were on US Soil. "And this is all because Sam put his Great Grandfather's glasses on Ebay." The Autobots were summons to United States soil by Bumblebee because Sam lives in the United States. If he would have been living in China the Autobots would have crash landed in China. The major battle that took place in Mission city was also on US soil. The formation of NEST can be a international effort but the nation who formed NEST must be American. How would any other foreign country know of the existence of the Autobots or the Decepticons?

The US government and our national security agency would take drastic measures to cover up any aliens and their presence on earth. NEST had to be formed through the US as a secret organization to hunt down the remaining Decepticons on earth. There was a British officer present so I'm guessing America let the UK know of the alien threat. But all knowledge of the existence of the Transformers was above top secret. No other country really is aware of the presence of the Autobots. And I think Optimus Prime was just following the wishes of the Americans in not letting his presence be known by other nations. The American Government is the one who covered up the remains of Megatron and all the dead Transformers from the first movie.

Any witnesses to the battle at Mission city, would also be somehow silenced. Almost all of the first movie's witnesses benefited with some pay off for their silence. The soldiers were given a higher rank and important position in NEST as part of their reward. Besides who better to work with Autobots then the soldiers who already know about them? So before any other country would have any say if the Autobots are to leave or not. The Americans would be the only ones really capable of complaining and bitching at the Autobots to leave. No other country would have direct knowledge of their existence. So all the other countries are pretty much ignorant to the whole thing.

At least they were until the Fallen broad casted his world wide threat on TV. Now all the other countries know and can insist on getting involved, happy? In TF3, now we can hear all hell break loose with world wide bitching and complaining.

"And this is all because Sam put his Great Grandfather's glasses on Ebay." Blame EBAY!!!

Flare wrote:"And this is all because Sam put his Great Grandfather's glasses on Ebay." Blame EBAY!!!

I already blame eBay for so much, though....

x2 what Flare just said, and....

Thinking as a writer, as well, if we need someone to put the screws on the Autobots' welcome presence, who else could we choose? Considering existing socio-political structures, who would be better to deliver a 'get outta town' threat than the US President? The Secretary General of the UN? Heck, UN member nations don't even listen to the UN, why would heavily armed alien robots? (Though by TF3, I fully expect Megatron to be on the UN Council for Human Rights, right along with Libya). We could make a EU 'president' but I think we can all learn from the flak Shane McCarthy got about doing *that*.

CB: And sure, kids read Harry Potter. I'd be less cynical about it if that translated into them going on to read something else. But they don't. We're so brand-oriented that they will read anything in the Harry Potter brand, but won't set foot in another book. (Except for my neighbor's kids who refuse to read and wait for the movies to come out.) I ask college sophomores what the last book they read for fun was. Many of them have no answer. They literally cannot remember EVER reading a book for fun. At 20 years old. I've gotten over being horrified and shocked by that fact. But it is ironic how many of them want to write for a living.

HK, I'm just disappointed that playing 'sinister henchwoman' pays so poorly.

hellkitty wrote:

Flare wrote:"And this is all because Sam put his Great Grandfather's glasses on Ebay." Blame EBAY!!!

I already blame eBay for so much, though....

x2 what Flare just said, and....

Thinking as a writer, as well, if we need someone to put the screws on the Autobots' welcome presence, who else could we choose? Considering existing socio-political structures, who would be better to deliver a 'get outta town' threat than the US President? The Secretary General of the UN? Heck, UN member nations don't even listen to the UN, why would heavily armed alien robots? (Though by TF3, I fully expect Megatron to be on the UN Council for Human Rights, right along with Libya/Carbombya) . We could make a EU 'president' but I think we can all learn from the flak Shane McCarthy got about doing *that*.

Instead of Human Rights, Megatron will be on the UN Council for an endangered species rights.



Come to think of it, it wasn't all of Ebay's fault the Transformers came to earth to fight. When you think about it, it was Ronald "Ron" Witwicky fault! If he would have let Sam get a job, Sam wouldn't have needed to sell his Great Grandfather's glasses. And secondly, if he wouldn't have made Sam that deal of bringing him $2,000 in three days and two A's. Sam wouldn't have been trying so hard to sell things on Ebay. Damn you Ron!!!

Flare wrote:Anti-American sentiment is bustling even here on Seibertron.com, but I think these fleshlings need to realize this is part of the continuity from the first movie. It all started on a US base against US soldiers, the major attacks took place against US targets because Megatron and the All spark were on US Soil. "And this is all because Sam put his Great Grandfather's glasses on Ebay." The Autobots were summons to United States soil by Bumblebee because Sam lives in the United States. If he would have been living in China the Autobots would have crash landed in China. The major battle that took place in Mission city was also on US soil. The formation of NEST can be a international effort but the nation who formed NEST must be American. How would any other foreign country know of the existence of the Autobots or the Decepticons?

The US government and our national security agency would take drastic measures to cover up any aliens and their presence on earth. NEST had to be formed through the US as a secret organization to hunt down the remaining Decepticons on earth. There was a British officer present so I'm guessing America let the UK know of the alien threat. But all knowledge of the existence of the Transformers was above top secret. No other country really is aware of the presence of the Autobots. And I think Optimus Prime was just following the wishes of the Americans in not letting his presence be known by other nations. The American Government is the one who covered up the remains of Megatron and all the dead Transformers from the first movie.

Any witnesses to the battle at Mission city, would also be somehow silenced. Almost all of the first movie's witnesses benefited with some pay off for their silence. The soldiers were given a higher rank and important position in NEST as part of their reward. Besides who better to work with Autobots then the soldiers who already know about them? So before any other country would have any say if the Autobots are to leave or not. The Americans would be the only ones really capable of complaining and bitching at the Autobots to leave. No other country would have direct knowledge of their existence. So all the other countries are pretty much ignorant to the whole thing.

At least they were until the Fallen broad casted his world wide threat on TV. Now all the other countries know and can insist on getting involved, happy? In TF3, now we can hear all hell break loose with world wide bitching and complaining.

"And this is all because Sam put his Great Grandfather's glasses on Ebay." Blame EBAY!!!

Thank you Flare! Great points. This is firther evidence that the plot is not as hard to follow as some are lead tobelieve it is. All yu need to do is pay attention and maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't have bashing threads like this!

hellkitty wrote:CB: And sure, kids read Harry Potter. I'd be less cynical about it if that translated into them going on to read something else. But they don't. We're so brand-oriented that they will read anything in the Harry Potter brand, but won't set foot in another book. (Except for my neighbor's kids who refuse to read and wait for the movies to come out.) I ask college sophomores what the last book they read for fun was. Many of them have no answer. They literally cannot remember EVER reading a book for fun. At 20 years old. I've gotten over being horrified and shocked by that fact. But it is ironic how many of them want to write for a living.

I'm thinking you're asking the wrong bunch of young folk.

I know a number of young(er) people who read on a regular basis. Yeah it's not as popular as it use to be, but it's not that dead of a past time as you may find.

Hell at high school I didn't do much reading, once I left it though I started reading more, albeit mostly Star Wars expanded universe novels and other brand-oriented books but it's better than nothing.

Burn wrote:I'm thinking you're asking the wrong bunch of young folk.

Alas, they're the ones I have to teach. While I sincerely hope they're not typical, statistically, they are. The average American reads one book a year, according to statistics. They calculate that by taking the number of books sold and dividing it by the population. I suspect my book purchases alone cover most of my zip code. And you?

I know a number of young(er) people who read on a regular basis. Yeah it's not as popular as it use to be, but it's not that dead of a past time as you may find.

The kids I know who read are all the kids of college professors, so that's skewed too. (On the other hand, I got to borrow them to see ROTF with--why do my coworkers trust me with their kids?!)

Hell at high school I didn't do much reading, once I left it though I started reading more, albeit mostly Star Wars expanded universe novels and other brand-oriented books but it's better than nothing.

In my free time, I admit that I read crap. Absolute brain-rotting garbage. Space opera. Sword and sorcery fantasy. But just the act of running something under my eyeballs where my brain has to do the imaginative work is what's important. That lack of imagination is what really worries me.

HK, but I blather on....

hellkitty wrote:

Burn wrote:I'm thinking you're asking the wrong bunch of young folk.

Alas, they're the ones I have to teach. While I sincerely hope they're not typical, statistically, they are. The average American reads one book a year, according to statistics. They calculate that by taking the number of books sold and dividing it by the population.?

ahhhh well there may be something in that. You're American, i'm Australian, I don't think they've even bothered doing that sort of research out here.

I suspect my book purchases alone cover most of my zip code. And you?

Generally I buy a book whenever a new Star Wars book comes out.

Though my recent purchases have been both of the books from Michael J Fox, currently reading the first one. Always been a fan of his and after reading Adam Copeland's (Edge from WWE) book a few years ago I figured I may as well read the books written by the people I admire.

In my free time, I admit that I read crap. Absolute brain-rotting garbage. Space opera. Sword and sorcery fantasy. But just the act of running something under my eyeballs where my brain has to do the imaginative work is what's important. That lack of imagination is what really worries me.

But is it brain-rotting garbage? As you said, it's making your brain work and getting the imagination running. I've read a couple of Elizabeth Moon's books, nothing spectacular about them, almost just another space opera styled book, but my mind was forming images of how the ships would look inside and out.

Shame all her books seem to have that "underestimated female proves she's better than everyone" type approach to it.

Burn wrote:But is it brain-rotting garbage? As you said, it's making your brain work and getting the imagination running. I've read a couple of Elizabeth Moon's books, nothing spectacular about them, almost just another space opera styled book, but my mind was forming images of how the ships would look inside and out.

Shame all her books seem to have that "underestimated female proves she's better than everyone" type approach to it.

Moon's okay. You're right about the plots, but I find that a vast improvement over the 'rape and revenge'/'let's enslave men' angry feminist stuff that was coming out in the 80s. I'm tolerant of that plotline because I see a lot of young women to whom that 'prove yourself to a world that doubts you and still be a girl' could work for. Her novel _Speed of Dark_ is worth a look--based off of her experiences with her highly autistic son.

I'm not so fond of David Drake. A girl and her telepathic treecat? Sure, his naval battles are brainbusteres, but he can't really do *people* all that well.

My favorite space opera is Louise McMaster Bujold. Male protagonist. Hilarious. A little cheezy, but heck, this is a site dedicated to giant robots: we should tolerate a little cheez.

AND, no one gets into arguments about whether or not her political system could do that.

HK, Just to annoy CB: You know, I'm a little offended at how college professors were portrayed in ROTF.

Are you deliberately trying to piss me off??

Cyber Bishop wrote:Are you deliberately trying to piss me off??

Common sense and self-preservation have never been my strong suits.

However, I think I'll go duck behind someone bigger than me for a little while.

HK, I am *so* doing that apple thing my first day this semester.

hellkitty wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:Are you deliberately trying to piss me off??

Common sense and self-preservation have never been my strong suits.

However, I think I'll go duck behind someone bigger than me for a little while.

HK, I am *so* doing that apple thing my first day this semester.

That first line is just priceless.

I know... I LOLed..

Nightscreech wrote:One thing that really bothered me in the film is when Optimus and that government representative where discussing why the Decepticons where still active, that they should leave the earth, etc. They said an agreement was signed between the two factions (US government and Autobots) that they could stay on Earth providing they helped track and destroy Decepticons... What gives the US power to honor that agreement without consulting another countries government or informing the general populous.

Just saying if the US wanted the Autobots to leave they could simply relocate to another country as the agreement was between the Autobots and the US, they don't have the power or right to speak for the rest of the world.

Seriously, if it wasn't for the United States the earth would have been destroyed by two meteors and many alien invasions. Show some respect...especially towards Will Smith. I mean really, do you think Crocodile Dundee could have done all that Will Smith could have. And then you leave out all of OUR achievments; reinventing Dinosaurs, driving fast, and of course all of the Super Heroes which I remind you are American. The only thing the rest of the world has on us are villains with german accents and wizards. Know your role.

GetterDragun wrote:

Nightscreech wrote:One thing that really bothered me in the film is when Optimus and that government representative where discussing why the Decepticons where still active, that they should leave the earth, etc. They said an agreement was signed between the two factions (US government and Autobots) that they could stay on Earth providing they helped track and destroy Decepticons... What gives the US power to honor that agreement without consulting another countries government or informing the general populous.

Just saying if the US wanted the Autobots to leave they could simply relocate to another country as the agreement was between the Autobots and the US, they don't have the power or right to speak for the rest of the world.

Seriously, if it wasn't for the United States the earth would have been destroyed by two meteors and many alien invasions. Show some respect...especially towards Will Smith. I mean really, do you think Crocodile Dundee could have done all that Will Smith could have. And then you leave out all of OUR achievments; reinventing Dinosaurs, driving fast, and of course all of the Super Heroes which I remind you are American. The only thing the rest of the world has on us are villains with german accents and wizards. Know your role.

BEST POST EVAR!!!!

Galvatron628 wrote:Yes it is "just a movie" and No this little thing didn't ruin it for me. I think that no doubt the movie could of just been a 100 times better, and in fact I expected a lot better. My first time through I enjoyed every minute of it, but when I got done watching it, I didn't feel as excited leaving the theatre as I did with the first Transformers. The first movie by no means is mistake free, but as I said before it did Transformers justice, while this one really didn't.

But I feel with just a little tweaking, and removing of toilet humor "filler" scenes the movie could of been a lot better. Give the Fallen more screen time, to make him more evil and threatening, make an epic battle at the end with the Fallen and Prime instead of Prime just beating the **** out of him and calling it a day, Fix mistakes such as the outside of the smithsonian looking like an airfield in Arizona, the "6 bogies coming up" line, trash the Pretender Alice alltogether, Make the Construcitcons the real contructicons, and while Devastator's formed throw in Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Thrust, and Dirge to substitute, which could of easily been accomplished much the same way they had 20 contructicons by using Starscream's CGI Model.

My real problem is the plot is paperthin and theres too much stuff you are "just supposed to know". What does an average movie goer even know about Energon for instance? There was no mention of it what-so-ever in the first TF movie, but this one you are just supposed to know. And I still want to know why Demolisher said "the fallen will rise again" when he was already alive and well living on a moon on Saturn?

Wow, I didn't realize movies need to be an exact play by play for the mass to understand. But then again, same scenario could be applied to Star Trek. People familiar with the "Vulcan Pinch" would have no problem with Spock dropping Kirk like a log, but people that aren't familiar with Star Trek fame lore would be scratching their heads in disbelief.

Actually, I'm not familiar with Transformers cartoon, toys or comics prior to the first movie. I watched the movie, got interested in Transformers, started to learn a little about them enough to understand what's going on in the second movie. But to look at the first movie, it would have been a stupid move to include every little thing from the Transformers universe into the first movie. It was a test to see how well it would do among the masses. Transformers could have easily been rejected by the movie going audience and flopped miserably. But with that thought in mind, they just included the core of Transformers. And if you went in thinking you were going to see 95% of Transformers and 5% of humans, then your way of thinking is a plot hole. There's no way a studio is going to be able to make a live action Transformers with each frame nothing but Transformers. Even if they wanted to, because of the price of the CGI. Don't forget, ILM blew up 7 super computers on Ironhide alone in the first movie. And, a complete CGI Transformers movie would have worked about as much as the newest Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie did. Hardly worth the studio's efforts or time.

Can the story have been better. Yeah, but that's true for any movie, including the "great" The Dark Knight". TDK could have been perfect for me if they scrapped the hole Bruce Wayne Enterprises employee trying to blackmail him. It was totally pointless and stupid plot that didn't move the story at all, or add anything to it either.

But for the complaint of why didn't the Autobots just relocate to another country. What makes you think another country would want them? Galloway made it clear that he thinks that the Autobots were the reason why the Decepticons were here, and if they refused to leave, then the Autobots would not only have to worry about the Decepticons hunting them down, but the United States Forces hunting them down like they are hunting down Al Qaeda in various parts of the world. It would have been futile for the Autobots to lie to Galloway or fight him on the matter. Sometimes you have to let the sh!t hit the fan so the know it alls can see the light.

To all those who somehow feel this is a post bashing the US you have thoroughly missed the point. To those who are saying take the movie less seriously its a movie about giant robots fighting each other i wasn't expecting shawshank redemption here. Just raising a topic for intellectual debate, which most of you have embraced, others not so much.

I agree with your post. Especially with TDK. Talk about a movie that coulda/shoulda been better.......

Nightscreech wrote:To all those who somehow feel this is a post bashing the US you have thoroughly missed the point. To those who are saying take the movie less seriously its a movie about giant robots fighting each other i wasn't expecting shawshank redemption here. Just raising a topic for intellectual debate, which most of you have embraced, others not so much.

I don't think anyone else felt you started a "Bash the U.S." thread, or anything like that. But its getting to the point were people are looking way to far into a movie that... Well,... Is about giant robots fighting eachother. I know that may not be what you want to hear, but the reality is, thats what it is. People are nit picking this movie to the point were it almost seems like there embarrsed to admit they actually liked it. Its at the point were there using minute and pointless reasons not to like this movie.

BUt if you really wnat to look that deep into it, you'll find that your orignal point is mute anyways, cause the U.S. was working with other govermentsand even had a few Nest memebers from different countries working with them.

I can picture the scene going like this...So which of you countries want the autobots off earth, they re clearly the reason this giant alien robot invasion has been continuing for last two years..... (floor is completely silent.) ..anyone? Yeah what giant robot invasion? you mean this all been happening and you havent told anyone? Well we told england and china...the people who matter and we owe money to. You think we d liked to know you were keeping a giant hostile robot frozen in the base for almost 100 years. (people start rioting in terror.)

How were they supposed to discuss something 90% of the other nations probably didnt know about. While NEST was international, those countries and ones invaded like china probably were only ones to know. Even ones invaded probably got some BS cover story. So the US having a major say in the matter made sense due to they were primary ones who knew they existed.Besides did you really want to see a bunch of head of state debate this matter?

As for 6 contacts, the doctor was there. The number was right. 5 go down, 1 dies, another emerges, one is brought to life. Thats 6. Ravage was much smaller than other decepticons and got picked up. No reason believe that the doctor wouldnt have gotten picked up. Especially since their instruments were likely tweaked pick up decepticons.

Ok, Global comunications were down for X amount of time. Lets say it took a week to undo the nightmare the virus Frenzy caused to the world's network.(Id be curious how that would resolve heh.) You have a city occupied by hundreds of soldiers with guns, and money, your choice to cover it up. Im sure alot of people werent even sure what the heck even happened over than alot of stuff blew up. (like most of the audience seems be heh.) Wasn't like it went on for hours. Assuming the whole fight happened in like 45 mins real time, I dont think as many people saw it as you d imagine, and were too busy running and hiding to clearly say what they saw. People dont naturally hang out when things start blowing up. Besides part of the time the decepticons were in vechile mode.

As for Shanghai some of it leaked, as Demolisher escaped the evacuated zone. (which obivously not every fled as the old man was sitting there eating when Sideways crashed thru.) But again what happened was fast. Wasnt like Demolisher hung out on the streets for people take pictures. People claim see UFO and all kinds of other crazy crap no one believes them. Is that hard believe people would look at giant robot conspiracy theroies in the same light?

If someone tried claim this sort of thing in real life, you d laugh at it chances are without any solid proof. I mean the government didnt believe it was aliens till S7 showed the secretary of defense it wasnt from earth despite having seen scorpanok at the pentagon on screen.(even after the Maggie suggested it wasnt human.) It wouldnt be an easy thing to sell to the rest of the world.

Ultimately alot of beefs people have are from not paying attention. I dont think this movies flaws are any more glaring than any other action movie out there. Dark knight had the national guard somehow missing 2 boats full of explosives.(Id love know how jokers goons managed pull that wonder off heh.) Star wars has some huge oversights like Princess leia felt she had go directly to the rebel base to deliever the plans leading the empire to it heh. People obivously still love it. Plenty of classics are that way. Whether be bond, indianna jones. They re not air tight and be ripped apart if you opt to. ( I thnik why the new star wars films "killed" the franchise, just people are more willing rip films apart since nostaglia goggles arent on.)

I enjoyed the movie. It doesnt take it self too seriously, and was meant have fun. But you nerds will never stop at one movie...Ill take you all on! (cues music and begins beating heck out of nitpickers.)

Lastjustice wrote:
I enjoyed the movie. It doesnt take it self too seriously, and was meant have fun. But you nerds will never stop at one movie...Ill take you all on! (cues music and begins beating heck out of nitpickers.)

That is the best thing ever posted on this forum.

*facepalms*

Wow. Some of you people have an innate ability to just suck the fun out of the room.

How on Earth do you even watch movies and TV, at all? Every TV show, every movie, has something wrong with them that keeps 'em from being perfect. The moment you get that is the moment you'll finally relax that colon, stretch out and say "What the hell is this? Me? Having a good time? Moi! OH NOES!!!11!!"

Join the rest of us, won't you?

Geez...

As for the plot/story...ROTF had one. Can't really say that for the first film. TransFormers was convoluted, at best. Revenge Of The Fallen actually had a story. Two, really.

TransFormers:
A life giving cube (do you have any idea how SILLY that sounds? Say it with me folks.) was sent out to the stars and crash landed on Earth thousands of years ago. Megatron, bent on planetary and galactic domination decided to follow it, crashes into the North Pole and stays frozen for 10,000 years. The Autobots followed him and the Allspark's signal and come to Earth searching for it. Oh wait. That whole thing makes sense, let's add in a REALLY stupid and boring bunch of subplots and jumpcuts that give you a case of ADHD in HD.

Why were they searching for the glasses? Oh...Frenzy's killin' escapades, and Optimus's grand reveal explained it all away, and sadly it only contains the map to the Allspark. Ah, that makes sense NOW. What about earlier in the film?

Oh, and why are the Decepticons disrupting communications? It's not like humanity can defeat the Decepticons on their own, so contacting one another is rather pointless. Wouldn't they be better suited keeping humanity from contacting the Autobots? Oh wait, that...would be sensible. Oh, hey, here's Banachek to explain it all, just like Clarissa did for us waaaay back on Nickelodeon.* Fortunately for us, she explained it better, and long before it become a boring and unimportant subplot in the overall story.

*= You are given extra awesome points for figuring out that reference, btw.

Sure, you get all of this AFTER the movie. Yes, I understand that the movie needed a little mystique. Problem is, I shouldn't have to wait until the end of the film just to get a vague idea of what's going on.

It was terribly convoluted and a mess. When it was just the TransFormers looking for the cube and meeting Sam, and then saving the world, it was simple, straightforward, and made sense, though a bit light on depth. (Like a friggin' puddle.)

As for ROTF:

Optimus and his current and new Autobot roster have joined forces with a military unit comprised of the best and brightest from all over the globe, to hunt down Decepticons hiding on Earth. Why are they hiding there? The Fallen is coming back for revenge, and they're awaiting his call to action.

Sam's life is continuing as normal as possible, he's going to college, trying to have the life he was supposed to have before aliens landed in his lap, and he's doing his best to keep his girlfriend happy, considering he's going to be on the other side of the country.

The Fallen uses Megatron and the other Decepticon forces to hunt for Sam because he has the map to the Solar Harvester encoded on his brain from the Allspark splinter, and once they get it out of him, Megatron wants to exact his revenge on Sam for killing him in the first film, but Optimus and crew come in at the last moment and save the day.

Why is Sam mixed up in all of this? Oh that's right, because fate put them together for a purpose. And what is that purpose? Oh yeah, Prime's the savior figure for the film series, just like he was in G1, but this time Sam (unlike Spike) actually gets to be a hero too.

Prime dies, sacrificing himself to save Sam, but is brought back to life through Sam's sacrifice and the Matrix. Prime rises up reborn and rebuilt as the savior figure, and takes out The Fallen, the Devil figure in the story. Prime even says "I rise, you fall".

How anyone can miss all of that is beyond me. In fact, ROTF's story is laid out for you in simple terms, it's easier to follow than the first film, it makes sense, it's not convoluted, and people of all ages can find something to enjoy about it.

Was it perfect? No, of course not. But it was most certainly a better film than the first one, and it showed. It's made almost $800 mil, and it's take is STILL climbing.

If you folks couldn't follow the story, or say it didn't have one, and didn't find the massively cool robot on robot violence wow inducing, then you really missed the point of going to see this TF movie.

We asked for more robot screen time, we got it.
We asked for a better story, we got it.

The film was a hell of a lot of fun, folks. I'm sorry you didn't get it like the rest of us did, however...we have seats available. Sit down, relax, have some fun, and give the movie another shot. You might just be pleasantly surprised the second time around. I know I sure was.

Rodimus_light wrote:

Lastjustice wrote:
I enjoyed the movie. It doesn't take it self too seriously, and was meant have fun. But you nerds will never stop at one movie...Ill take you all on! (cues music and begins beating heck out of nitpickers.)

That is the best thing ever posted on this forum.

...yessir, that right there is full of win. I'm glad some folks finally got it.