The Energon Pub

Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:31 pm

What are some of the things you dislike about the Transformers Universe?

For me, I dislike the concept of Unicron. A planet sized robot to me seems way over the top. City size robots like Metroplex, Fortress Maximus, Tripticon and Scorponok seem to be about the largest reasonable.

Next, I never could stand the headmasters, targetmasters, or the pretender concepts. Mixing humans and tranformers seemed a little ridiculous.

Finally, aside from the Dinobots, Predacons, Seacons, Terrorcons and Insecticons, I never did like the majority of transformer robots having animals as their alternate modes.

Those are just some of my thoughts.

News Credits: 34 · Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:05 pm

[not intended as flamebait]
So, essentially, you like the original, '84-style TFs fairly exclusively? That is, robots which turn into vehicles (I note that all the 'animal exceptions' you list are from G1), without any gimmicks?

Yeah, overall, that's probably my favourite aesthetic too. I don't mind gimmicks though, as long as they're done well in the stories (how they turn out in plastic makes little difference to me). For the same reason, I like the Marvel version of Unicron, although he's been way overused since then.

For me, I think a show that combined the aesthetic of the G1 line with the writing quality of Beast Wars and much of the UK comics would be made of pure win. Also see my sig for something I'd very much like to see.

(Did you see how I turned a list of things we don't like into a discussion of things we do? Whiny fanboys (in which group I'm not automatically including the original poster) take note. Sorry, I've just been looking at Koloth's sig again.)

News Credits: 3 · Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:33 pm

I don't like:

- Kids
- Pat Lee
- Animal TF's that get turned into retards (the cartoon Dinobots come to mind).
- Japanese TF cartoons that turn Decepticons into idiots.
- The shouting of attacks and transformations.
- The lack of Xaaron and/or Impactor in the more recent media.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:03 am

Dayton3 wrote:What are some of the things you dislike about the Transformers Universe?

For me, I dislike the concept of Unicron. A planet sized robot to me seems way over the top. City size robots like Metroplex, Fortress Maximus, Tripticon and Scorponok seem to be about the largest reasonable.

Next, I never could stand the headmasters, targetmasters, or the pretender concepts. Mixing humans and tranformers seemed a little ridiculous.

Finally, aside from the Dinobots, Predacons, Seacons, Terrorcons and Insecticons, I never did like the majority of transformer robots having animals as their alternate modes.

Those are just some of my thoughts.

I agree headmasters were just stupid Transformers are nearly immortal and mixing humanoids whom live for maybe a hundred years is just pathetic So when the head dies whom ever becomes the new head would actually alter the Transformers personality since they are binary bonded.

As for target Masters using humans to transform into weopons the human origional bodies would literally need to be replaced. The target masters should of been Micromasters that Transforms into weopons not humanoids.

As far Unicron been planet sized I agree waaaaaay too big. In my own imaginary litte word Unicron is one of the origional 13 and Stands roughly the size of a Gestalt and is not planet size.

As far as most transformers beeen vehicles and weopons I agree they should but animal Transformers isn't too bad of a concept as long as it isn't over done.

News Credits: 34 · Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:15 am

Unicron's size doesn't bother me, perhaps because I realise that he's not a Transformer. He just looks like one.

Going by the Marvel comic, he's a primal force of chaos who, after being trapped in an asteroid, psionically altered it to be a mobile planetoid and then later modified it to be able to transform into a gigantic robot mode - that was the pattern on which Primus based the Transformers. In the cartoon, he's the creation of a 'mad scientist' type called Primacron, who had nothing to do with the genesis of the Transformers - perhaps the similarity was coincidental? The cartoon never explained it... In later media, he's variously a multiversal Dark God of Chaos or simply left unexplained. In any case, he's not part of the Transformer race.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:25 am

Transformers things I dislike include:

1. kids, especially those with "anime type" personalities.

2. unicron as a god. I have no problem with primus as a god as I never seen him set foot in a transformers cartoon. But unicron, whose eyes shatter on impact and whose hide gets holes kicked in it by dinobots does not seem like a god. He likes the night invincibility aspect. If he was invulnerable except for the matrix I could call hima god, but as I see from the G1 movie, unicron is far from godly.

3. headmasters and pretenders. I am not a fan of pretender shells or transformers as mechs, especially if their head is easilly lost.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:33 am

never cared for 1 pretenders nor 2 unicron

Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:40 pm

The lack of uniformity of scale among the toylines. Basically any car that's larger than the original Prowl. Example compare the Classics Bumblebee and Hot Rod with Starscream and they look ridiculous.

Oh and the ridiculously small Motormaster when compared to G1 Prime. At least the WSTF KO's addressed that when you compare WSTF Motormaster to the WSTF Optimus Prime.

Too many continuities, particularly revamps of G1 when we had a perfect G1/G2 continuity in the Marvel comics that spanned the best part of a decade. Though at least Dreamwave knew the characters. And Beast Wars, Beast Machines and Universe can all be tied into the Marvel continuity. Don't believe me, have a UK BW DVD with Agenda and the evtras provide a back story linking BW to what is obviously the Marvel continuity.

TF Cartoons of recent years.

News Credits: 730 · Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:39 pm

One thing I don't like about Transformers is that there are always people asking what you don't about it...

Beast Wars mutants... They transform from beast to beast... :-?

Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:36 pm

Plot holes and time paradoxes.

News Credits: 1 · Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:55 pm

- multiple origins for G1 characters. (Mainly Constructicons)

- Plot Holes

- All of Armada with the only exception of the episodes "Past" part 1 and 2.

- Humans, especially Micheal Bay, Roberto Ochi, and Alexis (the last one is the girl from Armada not associated with the first two)

- Multiple Continuams. G1/BW/BM, RID, A/E/C, and Movie why can't they all be continuations of the original thing not start all over with an entirely new plot and new characters like the older versions never exsisted.

- Bad English dubs fan made or otherwise.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:29 pm

Windsweeper wrote:Too many continuities, particularly revamps of G1 when we had a perfect G1/G2 continuity in the Marvel comics that spanned the best part of a decade. Though at least Dreamwave knew the characters. And Beast Wars, Beast Machines and Universe can all be tied into the Marvel continuity. Don't believe me, have a UK BW DVD with Agenda and the evtras provide a back story linking BW to what is obviously the Marvel continuity.

TF Cartoons of recent years.

Do you mean BeastWars/Beast Machines cartoons is tied to the Marvel comics only, and not to the G1 cartoon continuity? :???:

News Credits: 1 · Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:44 pm

Scale issues, the poor-ass animation of recent cartoons, and how they never made toys of those generic-Autobots in Energon.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:40 pm

The humans
Some of the Dialog in the newer cartoons
Transformers having 15 second transform sequences.
Blurry backgrounds to depict alot of action. (streaking clouds during fight scenes)

News Credits: 1 · Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:34 pm

I dislike:

-The fact that Guiltor probably isn't gonna come back ever(figure if I'm his major fan, I oughta fanboy it up every once in a while

).

-When human stories completely overide the Transformer stories. It's about giant robots, that's what we like.

-The poor animation of Energon/Armada.

-Even more than poor animation, the really poor dubbing of Armada/Energon. Energon moreso, cause a lot of those voices stunk/were generic, and some of the lines were quite bad, it was easily the worst official English dubbed Transformers.

-Prime being boring, and having Prime/Megatron always be the leader in anything save G1. Beast Wars/Machines was ok cause they established they were differnt characters.

News Credits: 3 · Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:35 pm

The Stock Transformations that take forever, ala Starscream in Cybertron. For God's sake, we don't need a cutscene every time someone transforms.

People who act like everything in the cartoon has deeper meaning. It's a cartoon, FFS.

Bob Budiansky's crappy writing from issue 24 onwards in theG1 comic.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:55 pm

I was watching some G1 eps the other day and for some reason I was mesmerized during the short snippet in the credits when megs turns into a gun....For such a large bot he turns into an awfully small gun...I know lots of things like this happen in TF...Thats just one instance that really stuck out in my mind

News Credits: 3 · Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:24 pm

The general excu... er, reason we've been given for Megs and Soundwave shrinking is mass shifting.

News Credits: 3 · Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:27 pm

Gimmicks in the toyline. For me, the transformation is the only gimmick needed.
Prime needing to combine with his trailer or another autobot to be able to stand against Megatron.
Headmasters and Targetmasters. I don't mind the version where the heads/guns are other robots though, I just don't like the idea of them being organic beings.

News Credits: 3 · Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:35 pm

Yeah, that's screwed up. Every time I see a Headmaster for sale, it has no head. How the hell do you lose an accessory like that? And if you lose the head, the toy's useless! At least with targetmasters, if you lose the gun, you've still got a toy.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:37 pm

i always hated the very inaccurate scale in G1; Cybertron the size of city and then the size of saturn

I also hated how in the original they never showed any generics (thought it would give a bigger battle with more transformers to kill)

Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:43 pm

I dislike the
-G1 Season 3 animation and art.
-Hardcore G1 fans with minds of a six year old
-Endless complaints form hardcore G1 fans.
-G1 fan love to think that G1 cartoon is best of the best. :BOOM:

Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:19 am

The scale issues will always be number one for me. Motormaster is just too damn SMALL!!!

I've also never really been a Simon Furman fan. (though Thunderwing and Bludgeon really are much more compelling characters because of him!)

Repaints... of the same character... BLECH!

Why not just start a toyline called "Transformers: Optimus Prime vs. Megatron"?
"I just got the Scout, Deluxe, and Leader scale Optimus Primes! Really, I only have a Voyager scale Megatron so far!!!"

News Credits: 4 · Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:54 pm

Stormwolf wrote:I don't like:

- Kids
- Pat Lee
- Animal TF's that get turned into retards (the cartoon Dinobots come to mind).
- Japanese TF cartoons that turn Decepticons into idiots.
- The shouting of attacks and transformations.
- The lack of Xaaron and/or Impactor in the more recent media.

i've read a lot of people disliking pat lee. why is that? i thought his art was aight.