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SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know it's something I'll never get, however I want a hard R Transformers movie
OptiMagnus wrote:Were the other films ever really kids movies? I don't think so. They were quite violent if I recall.
And I'm sick of hearing the whole "Mudflap and Skids are racist" crap. You must first associate their personalities with one specific race in order to say they are racist. They're green and orange for Primus' sake.
SlyTF1 wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know it's something I'll never get, however I want a hard R Transformers movie
Hell yes. That would be the most amazing thing ever.OptiMagnus wrote:Were the other films ever really kids movies? I don't think so. They were quite violent if I recall.
And I'm sick of hearing the whole "Mudflap and Skids are racist" crap. You must first associate their personalities with one specific race in order to say they are racist. They're green and orange for Primus' sake.
Also, this. They're more like wannabe gangsters like most kids now a days.
Sure because what this brand totally needs is more doses of drugs/language/sex/violence. That'll get the toys selling.SlyTF1 wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know it's something I'll never get, however I want a hard R Transformers movie
Hell yes. That would be the most amazing thing ever.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Seriously? This is something that really has to be spelled out? "Not a kids movie"? NO SLAGGING DUH! When have these movies EVER been seen as "kids movies"? In fact, when has there ever been ANY PG-13 movie that was meant to be a kids movie? Isn't the whole point of a film being made to be PG-13 that it appeals to the 13 and up crowd? That's not kids, that's teenagers. Anyone thinking that the first three were children's films are fooling themselves.
Sabrblade wrote:Seriously? This is something that really has to be spelled out? "Not a kids movie"? NO SLAGGING DUH! When have these movies EVER been seen as "kids movies"? In fact, when has there ever been ANY PG-13 movie that was meant to be a kids movie? Isn't the whole point of a film being made to be PG-13 that it appeals to the 13 and up crowd? That's not kids, that's teenagers. Anyone thinking that the first three were children's films are fooling themselves.
Sure because what this brand totally needs is more doses of drugs/language/sex/violence. That'll get the toys selling.SlyTF1 wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know it's something I'll never get, however I want a hard R Transformers movie
Hell yes. That would be the most amazing thing ever.
None of what you are wanting is going to give us an R-rated TF movie. The only things that are going to bump up the rating are the stuff that I listed: More sex, more F-bombs, more drug content, etc. because it's that stuff that helps determine film ratings.SlyTF1 wrote:Most of that, no. But I would like to see more... realistic portrayal of what the Autobot/Decepticon war would look like if brought to Earth. I think they've been pretty realistic so far, but I just want to see a straight up R rated TF movie. Especially one where the Cybertronians are the ones with some kinds of mental scaring and whatnot. Thousands of years fighting a war, you should be pretty screwed up. At least, I'd assume so.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:None of what you are wanting is going to give us an R-rated TF movie. The only things that are going to bump up the rating are the stuff that I listed: More sex, more F-bombs, more drug content, etc. because it's that stuff that helps determine film ratings.SlyTF1 wrote:Most of that, no. But I would like to see more... realistic portrayal of what the Autobot/Decepticon war would look like if brought to Earth. I think they've been pretty realistic so far, but I just want to see a straight up R rated TF movie. Especially one where the Cybertronians are the ones with some kinds of mental scaring and whatnot. Thousands of years fighting a war, you should be pretty screwed up. At least, I'd assume so.
Look at Disney's recent Saving Mr. Banks movie, for example. That film was rated PG-13, but was vastly more tame than any of the TF movies. And yet, it is a film that I would be very hesitant to take any child to see. Not because of any of the questionable content that scored it a PG-13 rating, but because of how mature it is. And I don't mean that in today's use of the word "mature", but in its most literal use in that it's written for adult-minded audiences. And, again, I don't mean "adult" by today's meaning, but by it's literally meaning of "grown ups".
What I'm trying to get at is, I wouldn't take a child to go see that movie because, even though it's a mostly child friendly film, it's not a film for kids. And I mean that in that a child likely wouldn't be able really get into the movie because it's simply too intelligent a movie to be for children. There's so much highbrow, so much emotional and inner character analytical stuff put into it that a child would need to have so much explained to them in order to fully appreciate it.
That is the kind of movie that you seem to want the TF movies to be like, in which there are TF characters with deep, complex exploration and thorough character analyses. Mental scarring and war trauma fits that description very well, but no matter how much of that one would put into a movie, unless it involves violence/drugs/sex/swearing, it won't bump it up to an R-rating. Meaning that to get the content you truly desire, asking for an R-rating isn't the way to go about it.
But with the film staff as it currently is, viewing the TFs as only special effects instead of three-dimensional characters like they think of the lead humans, we're likely not ever gonna get that good stuff with them since the humans currently are, have been, and will remain the stars of these movies for the foreseeable future.
Any worse than what DOTM did with that and you'd have to have all of humanity wiped out, and that's certainly not going to happen since that would jeopardize one of the things that these movies are trying to accomplish.SlyTF1 wrote:More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Any worse than what DOTM did with that and you'd have to have all of humanity wiped out, and that's certainly not going to happen since that would jeopardize one of the things that these movies are trying to accomplish.SlyTF1 wrote:More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."
Banjo-Tron wrote:Interesting article but it will take someone like Cuaron or Nolan to make anyone over the age of 11 take these movies seriously. Or maybe J.J. Abrahms, he did a bang-up job with another slightly hokey sci-fi property (no offence to any Trekkers intended)
To the Decepticons, humans are fodder. Whether or not a country wanted to side with the Cons in the war, the Cons wouldn't treat them as allies or even equals. They would be treated as slaves and pawns to be exploited, and no human wants that.SlyTF1 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Any worse than what DOTM did with that and you'd have to have all of humanity wiped out, and that's certainly not going to happen since that would jeopardize one of the things that these movies are trying to accomplish.SlyTF1 wrote:More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."
Humans aren't limited to running and being shot. If a race of sentient alien beings came to Earth in the form of two factions, I'm sure at least one country would want to side with the Decepticons, because they would see it as the most prudent way to deal with them. Just submit and do as they say. While, I'm guessing most countries, would side with the Autobots. There would undoubtedly be war between the human nations. Along with the war between Autobots and Decepticons. I know this will never happen in a movie, but I'm almost certain that it would happen in the real world. The Decepticons would probably just go about destroying the world by having us destroy ourselves, then go ahead and take care of the remaining Autobots.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
SlyTF1 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:While, I'm guessing most countries, would side with the Autobots.
Twice, but neither case was ideal.noctorro wrote:Back in the G1 day, middle eastern countries sided with the Decepticons right?![]()
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:To the Decepticons, humans are fodder. Whether or not a country wanted to side with the Cons in the war, the Cons wouldn't treat them as allies or even equals. They would be treated as slaves and pawns to be exploited, and no human wants that.SlyTF1 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Any worse than what DOTM did with that and you'd have to have all of humanity wiped out, and that's certainly not going to happen since that would jeopardize one of the things that these movies are trying to accomplish.SlyTF1 wrote:More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."
Humans aren't limited to running and being shot. If a race of sentient alien beings came to Earth in the form of two factions, I'm sure at least one country would want to side with the Decepticons, because they would see it as the most prudent way to deal with them. Just submit and do as they say. While, I'm guessing most countries, would side with the Autobots. There would undoubtedly be war between the human nations. Along with the war between Autobots and Decepticons. I know this will never happen in a movie, but I'm almost certain that it would happen in the real world. The Decepticons would probably just go about destroying the world by having us destroy ourselves, then go ahead and take care of the remaining Autobots.
You may think submission would be beneficial, but the Cons don't care about us and would gladly kill us all once are meager usefulness is over. Especially in the Movies, in which most of the Decepticons were portrayed as monstrous savages.
Sabrblade wrote:Any worse than what DOTM did with that and you'd have to have all of humanity wiped out, and that's certainly not going to happen since that would jeopardize one of the things that these movies are trying to accomplish.SlyTF1 wrote:More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."
noctorro wrote:Banjo-Tron wrote:Interesting article but it will take someone like Cuaron or Nolan to make anyone over the age of 11 take these movies seriously. Or maybe J.J. Abrahms, he did a bang-up job with another slightly hokey sci-fi property (no offence to any Trekkers intended)
wow,
The internet, full of opinions
That's because the Autobots are trustworthy and cooperative enough to want to work with humanity. They strive for peace and harmony, so it's only natural that they would benefit from human involvement.SlyTF1 wrote:I'm not talking about the movies that have been established. I mean, it's what I would want in a rated R TF movie. Decepticons who use humans to their advantage. They can wipe them all out when they're done with them, but for their time on Earth, it would be likely they would receive aid from humans, since the Autbots always seem to benefit from human involvement.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:That's because the Autobots are trustworthy and cooperative enough to want to work with humanity. They strive for peace and harmony, so it's only natural that they would benefit from human involvement.SlyTF1 wrote:I'm not talking about the movies that have been established. I mean, it's what I would want in a rated R TF movie. Decepticons who use humans to their advantage. They can wipe them all out when they're done with them, but for their time on Earth, it would be likely they would receive aid from humans, since the Autbots always seem to benefit from human involvement.
The Decepticons, however, see humans as nothing more than maggots and worms, as worthless as the scum on their feet. No matter how useful any humans may attempt to make them seem to the Cons, the Decepticons don't give two cents about humans and scoff at the idea of relying on puny fleshlings for aid.
The most good they see in humanity is, as I said before, slave labor and pawns to be exploited, and there is no way on Earth that any human would willingly give up themselves to be the Decepticons' fodder, especially knowing that there'd be nothing rewarding for them in the end, with death their only fate.
All those cartoons and comics that have Decepticons work together with humans usually depicted them in ways that were so far from being realistic and believable that several of them were just laughable. You're wanting realism, but a realistic portrayal isn't going to have humans and Decepticons on good terms with one another simply because of the very nature of the Decepticons putting them above such cooperation.
And even if there were to be a film with a Decepticon/human alliance, that concept in and of itself would not grant the film an R-rating because, as I said, that concept isn't crude enough. A film isn't rated based on how sophisticated and deep it is, but on how dirty and obscene it is.
So unless a human/Decepticon alliance were to have Decepticons having onscreen sex with humans or something, it wouldn't reach passed a PG-13 rating, which just goes to show how ludicrous it is to want an R-rating for a film to be taken seriously.
I mean, look at the original Star Wars trilogy. Those films are all well liked and treated with respect and serious admiration by the general masses and yet they're only PG, not even PG-13. And more recent examples being the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the Dark Knight Trilogy films, all of which are only PG-13 and still garner much acclaim and serious-mindedness. Likewise for Transformers, an R-rating is hardly warranted and would be counterintuitive to the more positive, good nature of the brand.
Banjo-Tron wrote:Good directors can make all the difference, the Dark Knight trilogy being a case in point, after the utterly awful batman and Robin. Bay got 3 Transformers movies, 3 more than he deserved. Quite why he was bought back for a 4th is beyond me. If you really want a reboot (soft or otherwise), change the damn director.
Below is Bay's rotten tomatoes profile:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/michael_bay/
And the profiles of the 3 I think could turn the franchise around so it could garner some critical acclaim rather than just sell toys:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/alfonso_cuaron/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity ... her_nolan/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/jeffrey_abrams/
Can any one of you, hand on heart, really say that Bay is a better option than these guys, or indeed pretty much any other director?
SlyTF1 wrote:In regards to the R rating: human army vs human army = graphic human violence. There definitely is possible for the violence to be not graphic, but if the movie were to be an R rating, it would be.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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