1. You have one myopic view of design if you can brush off SIEGE Jetfire's engineering as "Deluxe level" - despite the complex migrations of some of the parts during transformation, and the amount of features present - yet blithely excuse T30 Jetfire's Silverbolt-simple transformation that makes little-to-no use of the robot mode bits in jet mode (all because the figure tries to have its cake and eat it too).Rodimus Prime wrote:No, not all of them. Just Siege Jetfire. With his deluxe level engineering.
As I said before, you see it your way, I see it mine. And that's okay.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Jetfire certainly feels like he's got at least 3 SIEGE Voyagers' worth of meat on his bones.
IMO, The Classics Voyager belongs on this list way the hell more than the T30 Leader. Thanks to its hybrid design, that one pulls off the "budget Macross" thing without sacrificing an integrated transformation. And it does it objectively better than the T30 Jetfire, since it has better-looking removable arm guards (that fire missiles, no less!), the helmet has articulated Battroid-style gun antennae, the boosters (which have built-in cannons for added fun) look more like the Valkyrie's, and those boosters point the right way in robot mode without having to be taken off and turned around.leokearon wrote:What no mention of the Classics Jetfire? A fantastic toy which does everything you want with a Jetfire but doesn't take up as much space. After buying him, I've never need another Jetfire, that's how good he is
The head-fins, arm wings, engine/undercarriage legs, and jet mode shape look Cyclonus-ish to me. Like a BM-ized version of Cyclonus. I don't see how the missiles reduce the resemblance in jet mode, either. What do you mean by popping them up? They're loaded and out in every pic of his jet mode I could find here. Oh, and another point of G1 Cyclonus resemblance: the cockpit canopy ends up on his back.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The redeco itself doesn't work as Cyclonus. Squint and superficially, it fits. As soon as you pop the missiles up in Jet Mode though, it doesn't. The bot mode even less so.
Buddy, how the heck is Storm Jet with his prominent black accents (which are not something Strafe has at all) and his Valkyrie-esque black cockpit canopy surrounded by red and located on his chest in robot mode, closer to looking like Strafe than like Jetfire?AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Meanwhile, as someone who has all the variants for the BM Jetstorm, that is closer to Strafe than, Jetfire:
Plus I was only talking about the Ultra Class which is a completely different mold. Size-wise, more suited to Jetfire.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Buddy, how the heck is Storm Jet with his prominent black accents (which are not something Strafe has at all) and his Valkyrie-esque black cockpit canopy surrounded by red and located on his chest in robot mode, closer to looking like Strafe than like Jetfire?
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And I know that that's a different mold. I even said it was.
You didn't say you had multiple Cyclonus variants, you said you had multiple Jetstorm variants.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As I said, superficially it can pass as a Cyclonus. From very far away. Details are what matters and in the details they don't match up. Again, as I have 9 Cyclonus' on my Desk beside me (including G1) these are things glaringly apparent to me. The multi-purple colour scheme certainly doesn't match, either.
So your logic here is, "Storm Jet looks more like Strafe than like an homage to the G1 Jetfire toy that he matches color-wise, despite Storm Jet not having any orange and despite Strafe NOT HAVING ANY BLACK IN HIS COLOR SCHEME, because the cartoon version of Jetfire didn't have any black"?AllNewSuperRobot wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Buddy, how the heck is Storm Jet with his prominent black accents (which are not something Strafe has at all) and his Valkyrie-esque black cockpit canopy surrounded by red and located on his chest in robot mode, closer to looking like Strafe than like Jetfire?
Because when it comes to G1, the colour palette of the toy is largely irrelevant in later homage.
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^This is the default colour palette of Jetfire most commonly associated with the character. The "cartoon colours". Storm Jet looks nothing like that.
I initially brought it up because it was a Jetfire-inspired redeco (albeit toy-based rather than cartoon-based) of a BM Jetstorm toy. I'm arguing over it because you claim that it somehow looks more like Strafe and I don't see how you can justify that claim.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And I know that that's a different mold. I even said it was.
Then why even bring up the smaller Jetstorm? Let alone argue over it? It is a weird hill to die on.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You didn't say you had multiple Cyclonus variants, you said you had multiple Jetstorm variants.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Still waiting on your explanation for how he resembles G1 Jetfire more, by the way.
When his design always screamed Jetfire to me: All he was missing was a Jetfire paint job.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And I know that that's a different mold. I even said it was.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Then why even bring up the smaller Jetstorm? Let alone argue over it? It is a weird hill to die on.
I initially brought it up because it was a Jetfire-inspired redeco (albeit toy-based rather than cartoon-based) of a BM Jetstorm toy.
I'm arguing over it because you claim that it somehow looks more like Strafe and I don't see how you can justify that claim.
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