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Every two weeks, Seibertron.com brings you a Top 5 list related to all things Transformers written by me, your fellow editor. These are my opinions (just like movie or game reviews hosted by sites are still just the opinion of one person) so what matters most is what you guys think of the topic or list, and I hope to see your own lists or comments on omissions and ranking. Let's have fun! All previous lists can be found here.


Top 5 Transformers Toys Better Than Their Updates

Let's face it, older Transformers toys can't really be compared to the modern toys due to the evolution in transformation, getting far more complex, the sleekness of the robot modes and the improved articulation. But that's fine, it doesn't take anything away from the older toys, it just makes us appreciate them in their own nostalgic bubble for the fun toys they were (and still are). We can respect the legacy of the original toys and have fun with the updates, be it in the Masterpiece or Classics line. However, 2016 taught me that there are original toys that not only hold up but offer so much more than their updates, and which I would definitely recommend getting over their updates. I looked for others that fit the bill and made a list so let's get to it!


5. Beast Machines Tankor compared to Generations Tankor

I have already raved about the original Tankor toy on three seperate lists: the best tanks, the best cybertronian vehicles and the best gimmicks since his double light piping gimmick is just too good, and that was just one of his 4 percfetly integrated gimicks which also included a spring loaded missile and optional twin buzzsaws which moved as you rolled him. He rightfully fits in all these lists since he is an excellent toy. The one thing he didn't do is look like the animation model, which plagued all Beast Machines toys, and that's it. I dont know about you, but that takes nothing away from this toy beign awesome. Proof of that comes with the update Tankor got in the Generations line. That toy looked show accurate and that was it. The articulation didnt seem to evolve in 15 years, all the gimicks were gone, the transformation was simplified (to reflect the show) and he just felt so light. And his accuracy was automatically gone when put next to any other figure since he was made into a puny deluxe, dwarfing him in size from what he looked like on the show. But that generations toy still has a place, I bought a few and made them the drones accompanying the awesome original Tankor toy.




4. G1 Megatron compared to MP05 Masterpiece Megatron

I have a hard time understanding what they were going for with the initial MP release. It's as if all they did was just make the G1 toy insanely more complex, fragile and annoying to transform. This reminds me of a bad third party toy. I am talking about the ones which look different from the animation model to avoid being sued and then overly engineer something to the point where it's not fun to transform and far too fragile to do so. So you just transform it once (or never if it's in robot mode) and then leave it on a shelf forever, hoping it doesn't fall since it doesn't stand too well. I am not saying the G1 toy is better at everything, but MP 05 doesn't improve anything about the G1 toy. It doesn't look more like Megatron than the G1 toy did, nor does it have better proportions (those legs, yeeesh). I made a chart to show you what I mean:



So all in all, I personally think the G1 toy is better. It's more fun to transform and has greater playability in both modes. Plus the gun mode is far more accurate to the actual gun size wise. If you had to choose between these two figures, you are better off with the G1 toy (they cost about the same anyway).




3. Beast Wars Cheetor compared to [url=[url=http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/classics-universe/cheetor/1677/1/]Universe - Classics 2.0 Cheetor[/url]

The pictures just work better than my words here. It looks like they just made it different for the sake of making him look different without thinking of making him visually appealing. The original was well articulated already and looked closer to the animation model, which the Universe toy doesn't look even close to, so I don't really know what purpose the Universe toys serves or who would want it.





2. G1 1986 Sky Lynx compared to Generations Combiner Wars Sky Lynx

I think Generations Skylynx has a really cool looking combiner torso, I can't deny that. It acts as a fun what if, for sure, but that toy cannot in anyway replace the G1 toy as a decent representation of Skylynx in a collection (unlike Titans Return Blurr, who is a great update regardless of the gimmick he comes with). As described two weeks ago, there is a great history regarding G1 Skylynx and how it is different from every other Transformer toy, like his robot mode being the combination of two beasts . There is a ton of play value with that G1 toy, with it having 6 separate modes: Shuttle, transport rig, shuttle on transport rig, bird, lynx, mecha dinosaur. Also, the size works well for a toy that turns into a space shuttle. The update reduces the impressive size and while gutting the electronics feature is expected and not the worst thing, it removes the fact that he is the combination of two beasts. We don't get a separate Lynx component (which kind of blows when your toy is called Sky Lynx) and instead of the unique combination reinvented, we just have him turn into a combiner torso like every other voyager in the line. Or right, and it's a voyager, not the size I would expect for the magnificent skylynx (who transports Autobots through space).










1. G1 1987 Fortress Maximus compared to Generations Titans Return Fortress Maximus

My opinion here is very similar to what I said abut Skylynx regarding playability being gutted but it is augmented here due to this toy not even being an original mold and being stuck with random vestigial features of Metroplex. I think this quote that I found on the boards sums it up well:

partholon wrote:Am I the only one that finds it baffling that the G1 bot with probably the MOST guns has bugger all in this update?
It's just mad.
I do agree that his city mode sucks. I mean Jesus! And I dont see why they couldn't have added a flap to the ramps so they cover his hands in city mode and actually touch the ground. I get ya can say its aircraft landing strips in battlestation mode, but it just looks weak in city mode. If I get the guy I'm going with some of the fan modes to try and ape his original better- bar that mess around with the surperfluous joints to come up with something I think looks better myself as just having his battlesation mode do the splits isnt up to scratch.
I agree with what some have said about not giving a toss about electronic lights and sounds. I'm buying a transformer- the alt modes the most important thing to me, not some "whoop whooop" nonsense.

You are not the only one Partholon. I know many say he has a great robot mode and that's how they will be keeping him, but that kind of defeats the point of him being a Transformer. The only kind of Transformer that makes him is an oversized action master. However, there is a silver lining. This lackluster release for what was once an iconic toy ends up bringing the original G1 toy back in the spotlight and lets it keep it's well earned place on the pedestal. There was no toy like G1 Fortress Maximus and now we know he cannot be defeated. No one has as glorious a base mode with as many fun playability features. And lucky us, since an Encore reissue of the original toy was released in very big numbers, owning the G1 toy is no longer a pipe dream. The G1 toy is now affordable and I strongly recommend it as it is one of the greatest Transformers toys of all time and definitely the number one toy which is better than its update.

Can someone lend me a gun?

Honourable Mentions:

I would like to mainly discuss the Titanium line here since that in general is my honorary mention. I dis have a Titanium toy on the list at first, it was Titanium Optimal Optimus. From a nice big toy, we get a small one with lame articulation and the lack of a Beast Mode (on a freaken Beast Wars character!). But then I saw that it didn't gel with the rest of the list. It didn't feel like Hasbro trying to update anything, just present characters in a different way. Kinda like the World's Smallest TFs line. They came after the G1 toys, but aren't trying to better them or update them, just present them differently (in this case, that means all die cast). That's how I feel about the Titanium line. Because or else, this whole list would be that line right? Like Fire Convoy and Optimal Optimus who are missing modes and Soundwave, which doesnt hold a candle to the original. Even though they are legitimate updates, they don't feel to have the same intentions as the other ones on the list. At least to me.

I usually agree with a lot of these lists, but I have to disagree with every one of these. I think 5 better examples of superior original toy vs inferior upgrades would include:

• G1 Perceptor vs. Reveal the Shield Perceptor
• G1 Dinobots vs. Stupid Movie Dinobots
• G1 Insecticons vs Prime Beast Hunters Insecticons
• G1 Sideswipe vs. RiD Sideswipe
• G1 Wheeljack vs. Combiner Wars Wheeljack

Speaking of fort Max - remembering how the original had those launch cradles and the ability to fold the arm ramps up.

I think the perfect part to fix his ramp issue is to make a part that replaces the ramp connection to the upper arm has the sliding car launcher on it and also allow the old ramps to fit on the stub end and fold up. so you still use the ramps he came with but you pop them off and move them.

There are likely a lot of examples where a weaker toys was released after a better original - a prize example of that would be the Transformers Prime 1st Edition line being mostly better than the RID-12 that replaced it.

And some would say that RID-12 is better than the Arms Micron toys derived from them (in many instances).

I do personally have more fun with the RID-12 Arcee than the 1st edition version though.
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I would also point out that Skylynx still has a lynx mode - they just didn't make it official just as he also has a dinobird mode too.

I was going to buy generations fort max but i have to admit that other than the rebirth style titan master and articulation he didn't look better, or even as good as the G1 version. I mean I've even seen people make better customs of metroplex as Fort Max.
Also it occurred to me that he was among the characters up for the vote that made the Star Saber masterpiece. Therefore takara were willing to make a masterpice fort max, something that would likely be superior to anything in generations, not least because while the other toylines are aimed more towards kids while the masterpieces are aimed towards the more serious fans like us.
Therefore while unlikely I would not outright say that it is impossible that, possibly for the 35th anniversary in 2 years, takara MAY bless us with a masterpiece fortress maximus.
I hope.
Touch wood.
Fingers Crossed.

Nik Hero wrote:I usually agree with a lot of these lists, but I have to disagree with every one of these. I think 5 better examples of superior original toy vs inferior upgrades would include:

• G1 Perceptor vs. Reveal the Shield Perceptor
• G1 Dinobots vs. Stupid Movie Dinobots
• G1 Insecticons vs Prime Beast Hunters Insecticons
• G1 Sideswipe vs. RiD Sideswipe
• G1 Wheeljack vs. Combiner Wars Wheeljack

See, the Insecticon and Sideswipe ones are unfair. They aren't meant to be updates of their G1 character; they are meant to be wholly different characters.

I think the wave 4 and 6 bots are not very good examples of updates wither cause, except for Ironhide, they all have pretty good classics toys that people like more.

But I definitely think Fort Max should have been handled better. the G1 toy may look derpier in robot mode to me, but he had guns and alt modes.

Also, I think G1 Gnaw is better than his update. The TR one just looks bad in robot mode, despite the adorable Sharkticon mode, which is how i keep him

Nik Hero wrote:I usually agree with a lot of these lists, but I have to disagree with every one of these. I think 5 better examples of superior original toy vs inferior upgrades would include:

• G1 Perceptor vs. Reveal the Shield Perceptor
• G1 Dinobots vs. Stupid Movie Dinobots
• G1 Insecticons vs Prime Beast Hunters Insecticons
• G1 Sideswipe vs. RiD Sideswipe
• G1 Wheeljack vs. Combiner Wars Wheeljack

The Movie Dinobots are not even the supposed to be updated or the same characters as the original G1 guys so that doesn't count.

The Prime insecticons don't even have toys besides a legends size figure who is not even the same character in anyway to the original guys and your comparing three characters to one how is that fair?

Rid Sideswipe is a bad toy yes but he is not G1 Sideswipe either why are you even listing this as such in the first place.

Totally agree with the Tankor one, I remember thinking at the time that a repainted voyager roadrunner from the same line would have made a better Tankor than the deluxe.

I personally disagree with Sky Lynx on the grounds that it's not supposed to be a re-creation of the G1 toy or do what it done - it's very clearly going for something different; in that it, of course, is a Sky Lynx that can combine.
I feel a lot of people rag on him for that which is unfair when, to combine, there likely isn't a way to incorporate his original separation gimmick. To me it's like trying to argue against CW Prowl or Trailbreaker for not being accurate representations or updates of the characters; that's not the point. They're supposed to be versions of the characters that you can combine rather than something that can stand on your CHUG shelf next to Classics Optimus and Universe Inferno (though admittedly some can actually work for that like Mirage and Hound, which is nice).
Of course, it all stems from the fact that this is the first update to Sky Lynx we've ever had. If there was a proper Leader Class update first that kept the separation gimmick and impressive size, I doubt many people would have a problem with this one. So to me the only real debate is whether or not a proper update should in every case be given to a character before making a version that has a new gimmick like combination. While I understand that stance; I simply feel it's too limiting on play value and uniqueness in a toyline (especially in a toyline that re-used molds as much as CW; Sky Lynx being so amazingly different from everything else gave a real breath of fresh air) and is simply a symptom of impatience. We'll get a proper update eventually, so while this might not be ideal for now, enjoy that Sky Lynx can combine with four random autobots to become a huge badass cat god.

Generally agree with everything else on your list though. But I'd also like to add that Generations Tankor also retroactively ends up with another place in a collection; being one of the regular side characters in the Windblade comics.

its like they removed the playability and the fun factor to make the robot mode more articulate, i like the robot mode on TR fortress maximus i dont like the city mode and the spaceship mode is too floppy dont know what they were thinking with MP megatron

Tankor is wrong for this list as the Generations version is best compared to Beast Machines Tank Drone, NOT Tankor (the General)

Generations Metroplex is also a total fail.

jungletron wrote:Generations Metroplex is also a total fail.

Really? I actually think he was a pretty great success and had a more interactive city mode than fort max, and his vehicle mode actually made sense (a giant mobile, land-based, fortress-like, flat top) you could slap a whole army onto him at that scale!

Burn wrote:Tankor is wrong for this list as the Generations version is best compared to Beast Machines Tank Drone, NOT Tankor (the General)

I agree with this, I'd still love to get my hands on the universe variant of the tank drone

And I agree with Will, Fort Max was a complete failure on all levels, if I could find him for $50, I might bite, but I'd rather have several other figures before him, which really says something about how he fell flat on his face (and no, I wasn't talking about either of his 'transformations' )

No honorable mentions? No wonder Sky Lynx made the picture.

Very good list.

What about Doubledealer, Abominus, Jetfire (not by much, but at best breaks even), and Thunderwing for honorable mention?

And Kurona, would you say that CW Sky Lynx is a better toy for the character than the original in any way, shape, or form?

kurthy wrote:And Kurona, would you say that CW Sky Lynx is a better toy for the character than the original in any way, shape, or form?

Heck yeah, the cw one turns into a scramble city torso with a giant lion head for a face! I would put cw liokaiser on there, that actually feels like it belongs there - no matter how much I like him.

I have to say I was a little surprised by the list, too. I like the CW Sky Lynx at least as well as the original. Sure, there are things I might tweak, but it's a solid figure, certainly not top-5 cringe worthy. Likewise, I like Titans Fort Max, and mine arrived with the electronics not working. I was toying around with sending it back, but realized I *never* leave batteries in after pushing noise/light buttons once, when I first get a Transformer, so probably not worth returning to BBTS. Anyway, yeah I would have liked Ramos to cover the hands, but it was still a decent toy, even if it isn't perfect.

I guess I tend to be less critical than most collectors. I don't care for the Masterpiece line, mostly due to the scale, but sticking with original vehicles isn't big on my list. I tend to prefer my Transformers in the "deluxe" scale, with a couple Voyager figs where appropriate. While I agree CW Sky Lynx could have been bigger, I was still pleased to add him to my collection and liked the entire CW line more than anything since Classics popped up. I have been pretty pleased with the Titans Return series, as well, though I would have been happy to get a few more CW figures first, like Sideswipe, for example.

Anyway, I think this topic is more subjective than many. I disliked the Generations Tankor figure (the original being one of my favorite figures). I thought the Cheetor and MP Megs figures were mediocre, but there have been a lot of updates I disliked significantly more. Titans leader Optimus comes to mind as a pretty lousy figure with terrible legs and a pretty shaky vehicle and base mode. Titans Soundwave and Blaster are mediocre. The voyage class Optimus (Octane) feels like a really forced recover (admittedly, before Octane came out). Anyway, I don't entirely disagree with the list in the sense that these updates are so-so, but they hardly seem list topping. *Shrugs*

Nik Hero wrote:I usually agree with a lot of these lists, but I have to disagree with every one of these. I think 5 better examples of superior original toy vs inferior upgrades would include:

• G1 Perceptor vs. Reveal the Shield Perceptor
• G1 Dinobots vs. Stupid Movie Dinobots
• G1 Insecticons vs Prime Beast Hunters Insecticons
• G1 Sideswipe vs. RiD Sideswipe
• G1 Wheeljack vs. Combiner Wars Wheeljack

I can totally see why you disagree, I dont think I was clear in what I meant with my list. I was hoping the criteria would speak for itself through my selection but I was focusing on the same characters being redone, not just characters with the same name. Your Perceptor example is great though and works very well since that is the same character done differently. But RID Sideswipe is not G1 Sideswipe just like RID Bumblebee is not G1 Bumblebee or Movie Bumblebee. Its not like Hasbro is basing RID Sideswipe's toy design on the previous one and trying to reintroduce it. RID Sideswipe is not an Update to G1 Sideswipe but more of a reinterpretation of the character or quite possibly just another totally different character that just happens to have the same name (like Beast Wars Megatron and G1 Megatron).

serial_dirge wrote:Anyway, I don't entirely disagree with the list in the sense that these updates are so-so, but they hardly seem list topping. *Shrugs*

Yeah, I can see that we have similar opinions but you just dont feel as strongly about them. Its wasnt the most obvious list and aside from MP Megatron and TR Fort Max, the rest werent as clear cut. I mostly picked examples where the articulation didnt matter as much since thats usually the best argument for a toy's age. Its a very grey area all around, but I thank you greatly for your list!

kurthy wrote:No honorable mentions? No wonder Sky Lynx made the picture.

Haha, yeah. I couldnt think of any aside from those 5 that were as egregious for how much more we were getting from the initial release. most other update at least gave you something different instead of making me feel like I would miss out by choosing it over the original. But thanks to the helpful comments, there are others which could have been honourary mentions, like TR Power Master Optimus Prime.

Very good list.

Thanks!

What about Doubledealer, Abominus, Jetfire (not by much, but at best breaks even), and Thunderwing for honorable mention?

Double Dealer is a great one! But the rest to me do break even. And I didnt really consider Beast Hunters Abominus to be an update until you mentioned it. He's not bad though, I actually found the designs really cool and the articulation is comparable. And I am sure that if the generations Thunderwing was bigger he wouldnt even be a contestant.

jungletron wrote:Generations Metroplex is also a total fail.

Please tell me more if possible. I thought at least his base mode was very close to the original.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Burn wrote:Tankor is wrong for this list as the Generations version is best compared to Beast Machines Tank Drone, NOT Tankor (the General)

I agree with this, I'd still love to get my hands on the universe variant of the tank drone

I think saying that the gen Tankor cant compare to the General from Beast Machines is proof that the original is a much superior toy. But they both represent the exact same character, so its fair.
And I too want that Tank Drone, he looks cool.

Kurona wrote:Of course, it all stems from the fact that this is the first update to Sky Lynx we've ever had. If there was a proper Leader Class update first that kept the separation gimmick and impressive size, I doubt many people would have a problem with this one. So to me the only real debate is whether or not a proper update should in every case be given to a character before making a version that has a new gimmick like combination.

That is my problem with Gen Skylynx. After all these years this was finally his time for an update in the line that is all about updating G1 toys for a new generation. And hasbro had to stick him with a gimmick. Now I wouldnt mind the gimmick if it didnt hinder anything, like with CW Prowl and Tralbreaker or TR Blurr which doesnt stop these characters from doing everything the G1 toys did (transform from vehicle to robot) and even gives them more stuff to do. But with Sky Lynx, we lose features and they get replaced. So if someone wants a toy to represent the G1 show in some way, then CW is not the way to go. But its not just that, the idea is that Sky Lynx is different from all the rest, he is unique. By making his only real update part of a gimick line, they remove that uniqueness and give him something many others have and definitely turn that G1 toy into a must have if you want to experience his original transforming gimick.

william-james88 wrote:

jungletron wrote:Generations Metroplex is also a total fail.

Please tell me more if possible. I thought at least his base mode was very close to the original.

Maybe it’s just me and we all know that it’s already been debated to death in the other threads, but I still prefer my Autobot City to have their east and west sections running parallel to each other and have the ramp touch the ground without resorting to third-party upgrades that nonetheless do not remedy the ‘giant-robot-doing-yoga’ look in base mode, which is also the problem with Generations Fort Max. The point is, with modern toy engineering and its sheer size I don’t think it’s too much to expect for Generations Metroplex to have been better designed. Sorry, but it is my honest opinion that G1 Metroplex is still better than his Generations version. Having said that, I admit that up to now I’m still on the fence as to getting Generations Metroplex considering that he’s now on clearance and Generations Trypticon is going to be released later this year though I truly wish that this debacle isn’t repeated. How could it? A spread-eagled T-Rex can’t possibly be that terrible.

CW Sky Lynx somewhat makes up for the lack of splitting by having a neat winged Lynx mode (and bonus "CatDog" mode). It's not perfect, but it at least tries to capture some of the spirit of the original.
I think I'm more annoyed he didn't have his own dedicated Combiner team, though. They could've went crazy with the Space Shuttle theme and had rockets and rovers and whatnot, but no, they went and repainted yet another team of cars...



I remember people tried justifying Tankor's size, even going so far as to say he should be SMALLER. I'm sorry, but

I can affirm that owning a G1 Megatron is a MUST for any TF fan. Sure, the bot mode look like a goblin. But it's so FUN to play with, and the transformation is pretty advanced even for today.

As for Fortmax, the G1 IS the superior toy. His transformation is way more complete than the TR and he's armed like MAD. Also, it have solid play value with an elevator, extra guns and vehicles, plus secret nook and crannies. The modern Titant Return is just Max lazying around on the ground. Still, the modern robot mode look way better.

Noideaforaname wrote:CW Sky Lynx somewhat makes up for the lack of splitting by having a neat winged Lynx mode (and bonus "CatDog" mode). It's not perfect, but it at least tries to capture some of the spirit of the original.
I think I'm more annoyed he didn't have his own dedicated Combiner team, though. They could've went crazy with the Space Shuttle theme and had rockets and rovers and whatnot, but no, they went and repainted yet another team of cars...

How about Sky Reign Beast Mode as shown in Baldigus Chapter 2? Nothing special if you've seen Safari Gaoh from ToQ-ger, but still...

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Burn wrote:Tankor is wrong for this list as the Generations version is best compared to Beast Machines Tank Drone, NOT Tankor (the General)

I agree with this, I'd still love to get my hands on the universe variant of the tank drone

I think saying that the gen Tankor cant compare to the General from Beast Machines is proof that the original is a much superior toy.

Does it though? The original figure was a unique design not based on anything, while cartoon Tankor would be designed later. The original figure is a good figure simply because it's a good figure, but not being bound to cartoon accuracy gives it an unfair advantage. If you want a nice tank figure then sure, go for the original, but if you want a cartoon-accurate Tankor figure then it isn't even an option, you're either getting the original drone or the Generations mold (and probably loving them because they're both fun). It all depends on your criteria for a good Tankor figure.

Personally I'd call Gen Tankor better than the original just based on cartoon accuracy (though I enjoy all three quite a bit).

Emerje

Universe Countdown. What were they thinking?! Joke! It was just repurposed so he's not the actual modern version.

jungletron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

jungletron wrote:Generations Metroplex is also a total fail.

Please tell me more if possible. I thought at least his base mode was very close to the original.

Autobot City.JPG

Autobots 12.JPG

Maybe it’s just me and we all know that it’s already been debated to death in the other threads, but I still prefer my Autobot City to have their east and west sections running parallel to each other and have the ramp touch the ground without resorting to third-party upgrades that nonetheless do not remedy the ‘giant-robot-doing-yoga’ look in base mode, which is also the problem with Generations Fort Max. The point is, with modern toy engineering and its sheer size I don’t think it’s too much to expect for Generations Metroplex to have been better designed. Sorry, but it is my honest opinion that G1 Metroplex is still better than his Generations version. Having said that, I admit that up to now I’m still on the fence as to getting Generations Metroplex considering that he’s now on clearance and Generations Trypticon is going to be released later this year though I truly wish that this debacle isn’t repeated. How could it? A spread-eagled T-Rex can’t possibly be that terrible.

I agree with you with one aspect. G1 Metroplex had a gravity powered vehicle ramp launcher. Two extra vehicles/figure in Slammer and Sixgun. The remake lacked those.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Burn wrote:Tankor is wrong for this list as the Generations version is best compared to Beast Machines Tank Drone, NOT Tankor (the General)

I agree with this, I'd still love to get my hands on the universe variant of the tank drone

I think saying that the gen Tankor cant compare to the General from Beast Machines is proof that the original is a much superior toy.

Does it though? The original figure was a unique design not based on anything, while cartoon Tankor would be designed later. The original figure is a good figure simply because it's a good figure, but not being bound to cartoon accuracy gives it an unfair advantage. If you want a nice tank figure then sure, go for the original, but if you want a cartoon-accurate Tankor figure then it isn't even an option, you're either getting the original drone or the Generations mold (and probably loving them because they're both fun). It all depends on your criteria for a good Tankor figure.

Personally I'd call Gen Tankor better than the original just based on cartoon accuracy (though I enjoy all three quite a bit).

Emerje

Just like to add that as far as I'm concerned, they're two different characters. Generations Tankor is more representative of Beast Machines Tank Drone.

If we're going to debate it because of the name ... well ... lets not forget Skinny Tankor

fenrir72 wrote:

jungletron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

jungletron wrote:Generations Metroplex is also a total fail.

Please tell me more if possible. I thought at least his base mode was very close to the original.

Autobot City.JPG

Autobots 12.JPG

Maybe it’s just me and we all know that it’s already been debated to death in the other threads, but I still prefer my Autobot City to have their east and west sections running parallel to each other and have the ramp touch the ground without resorting to third-party upgrades that nonetheless do not remedy the ‘giant-robot-doing-yoga’ look in base mode, which is also the problem with Generations Fort Max. The point is, with modern toy engineering and its sheer size I don’t think it’s too much to expect for Generations Metroplex to have been better designed. Sorry, but it is my honest opinion that G1 Metroplex is still better than his Generations version. Having said that, I admit that up to now I’m still on the fence as to getting Generations Metroplex considering that he’s now on clearance and Generations Trypticon is going to be released later this year though I truly wish that this debacle isn’t repeated. How could it? A spread-eagled T-Rex can’t possibly be that terrible.

I agree with you with one aspect. G1 Metroplex had a gravity powered vehicle ramp launcher. Two extra vehicles/figure in Slammer and Sixgun. The remake lacked those.

As does TR Fort Max! coz the Hasbro one doesn't come with Gasket & Grommet/Cog(although i still think that they could've repainted Gen Plex's Scamper as Cog), nor does it come with the sword(Takar Tomy sorted that though), nor the 2 guns that the original came with, nor does it have it's hip cannons(although a 3p company now has made one of his 2 guns & hip cannons, that's all very well & good! but it still doesn't detract from the fact that those items should've came supplied as standard with the figure in the first place instead of having to fork out extra on some 3p company to supply those as upgrade kits)

as for Max's non G1 city mode...well..we all know the story by now as to why that is...coz they took a secondary alt city mode they saw in an old toy catalog & decided to go with that! also coupled with the fact that using the Gen Plex mold they couldn't quite pull off that g1 city mode accurately without more extensive modding + you can still pull off that weird alt city mode with other versions of Fort Max(G1, Kabaya, Bootleg & Toyworld Infinitor..interestingly the instruction booklet for Infinitor even has that as one of the official modes) without having to resort to buying this one.