Flashwave wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:How about a VHS of a different order? Everybody's been mentioning Combiner Heads, especially CW Hot Spot's. I'll up them one with this:
RiD 2001 Railspike
This toy doesn't even attempt to hide Rail Racer's head, having it stare at Railspike's crotch instead.
I guess In my head I wrote that off as being more or less like how some transformers have their beast mode had on their chest. But yeah, contrasting that against the cleverly-disguised head of CW Defensor shows that the designs are still evolving.munkimus prime wrote:Also does Skylinx count?. But I think he has one of the better cases of VHS since you can't actually tell that the cockpit is his robots head.
That's basically what I meant with Defensor, the head's right there but you can't tell it's a head.
Still not fond of Defensor's head. I guess it's "hidden", but I really feel like it's in the way ofg the ladder boom, but eh.
For Sky Lynx, I think he falls under the same category as the Vehicon drones: The head is there, but it does something. Unliek Movie Megs, who's head is sorta hood ornement
Railbomb wrote:Flashwave wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:How about a VHS of a different order? Everybody's been mentioning Combiner Heads, especially CW Hot Spot's. I'll up them one with this:
RiD 2001 Railspike
This toy doesn't even attempt to hide Rail Racer's head, having it stare at Railspike's crotch instead.
I guess In my head I wrote that off as being more or less like how some transformers have their beast mode had on their chest. But yeah, contrasting that against the cleverly-disguised head of CW Defensor shows that the designs are still evolving.munkimus prime wrote:Also does Skylinx count?. But I think he has one of the better cases of VHS since you can't actually tell that the cockpit is his robots head.
That's basically what I meant with Defensor, the head's right there but you can't tell it's a head.
Still not fond of Defensor's head. I guess it's "hidden", but I really feel like it's in the way ofg the ladder boom, but eh.
For Sky Lynx, I think he falls under the same category as the Vehicon drones: The head is there, but it does something. Unliek Movie Megs, who's head is sorta hood ornement
I wasn't fond of Defensor's head until after a few minutes of messing with him combined that his head could open up for the bucket in his truck mode.
Nemesis Primal wrote:
I was impressed by that. How many transformers have their heads actually transform rather than just try to hide them (or leave them out in the open)?
william-james88 wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:
I was impressed by that. How many transformers have their heads actually transform rather than just try to hide them (or leave them out in the open)?
Cyberton Unicron does that too. His head flips and becomes a dish/laser.
Nemesis Primal wrote:Railbomb wrote:Flashwave wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:How about a VHS of a different order? Everybody's been mentioning Combiner Heads, especially CW Hot Spot's. I'll up them one with this:
RiD 2001 Railspike
This toy doesn't even attempt to hide Rail Racer's head, having it stare at Railspike's crotch instead.
I guess In my head I wrote that off as being more or less like how some transformers have their beast mode had on their chest. But yeah, contrasting that against the cleverly-disguised head of CW Defensor shows that the designs are still evolving.munkimus prime wrote:Also does Skylinx count?. But I think he has one of the better cases of VHS since you can't actually tell that the cockpit is his robots head.
That's basically what I meant with Defensor, the head's right there but you can't tell it's a head.
Still not fond of Defensor's head. I guess it's "hidden", but I really feel like it's in the way ofg the ladder boom, but eh.
For Sky Lynx, I think he falls under the same category as the Vehicon drones: The head is there, but it does something. Unliek Movie Megs, who's head is sorta hood ornement
I wasn't fond of Defensor's head until after a few minutes of messing with him combined that his head could open up for the bucket in his truck mode.
I was impressed by that. How many transformers have their heads actually transform rather than just try to hide them (or leave them out in the open)?
Megatron Wolf wrote:Ok i still cant see why galaxy force/cybertron optimus is this praised figure. Dont get me wrong its not a bad figure but its no way the be all end all of transformers. Prime himself has had better figures than that
RiddlerJ wrote:Yeah, on a mode that's cybertronian, I don't fret about a visible head. In those cases, the alt mode isn't a disguise, it's just a mode to get around, or fight, or perform some other purpose.
If anything, cockpits or passenger areas on cybertronian forms make less sense. Who are they for? Maybe after they met humanoids, it might make sense to install one but I don't think too many Decepticons would feel the need for one.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:In my humble opinion:
1) Having the head designed as part of the vehicle mode should not count. The movie Megs designs are quite cool, especially since he can see everything he demolishes with his own optics. Plus, on the argument of what is the point of transformation, isn't it easier for us to get around on skates or jetpacks? that is the role of his altmode to me.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:In my humble opinion:
1) Having the head designed as part of the vehicle mode should not count. The movie Megs designs are quite cool, especially since he can see everything he demolishes with his own optics. Plus, on the argument of what is the point of transformation, isn't it easier for us to get around on skates or jetpacks? that is the role of his altmode to me.
Yes, particularly in the case of Cybertronian altmodes. Barring a few special cases, every time fiction has tried to pass Cybertronian altmodes off as disguises it's felt super clunky and awkward.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Yeah, on a mode that's cybertronian, I don't fret about a visible head. In those cases, the alt mode isn't a disguise, it's just a mode to get around, or fight, or perform some other purpose.
If anything, cockpits or passenger areas on cybertronian forms make less sense. Who are they for? Maybe after they met humanoids, it might make sense to install one but I don't think too many Decepticons would feel the need for one.
This is a fair point. And in point of fact I think it was on the minds of the movie designers too: Why would alien vehicle modes have gratuitous human-scale cockpits/windshields? These are noticeably absent on all Cybertronian altmodes seen onscreen. Working from there, I think this is the actual reason for Megatron's partially-exposed head on his Movie 1 and ROTF bodies: Not "to stick it to the man" (like Will suggested for some reason) but because with the usual "Gratuitous cockpit" convention discarded (eliminating the "See via windshield" method), that's how the movieverse designers decided that Transformers should see to navigate in their Cybertronian altmodes. I don't know that you can really call that lazy.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:Yeah, on a mode that's cybertronian, I don't fret about a visible head. In those cases, the alt mode isn't a disguise, it's just a mode to get around, or fight, or perform some other purpose.
If anything, cockpits or passenger areas on cybertronian forms make less sense. Who are they for? Maybe after they met humanoids, it might make sense to install one but I don't think too many Decepticons would feel the need for one.
This is a fair point. And in point of fact I think it was on the minds of the movie designers too: Why would alien vehicle modes have gratuitous human-scale cockpits/windshields? These are noticeably absent on all Cybertronian altmodes seen onscreen. Working from there, I think this is the actual reason for Megatron's partially-exposed head on his Movie 1 and ROTF bodies: Not "to stick it to the man" (like Will suggested for some reason) but because with the usual "Gratuitous cockpit" convention discarded (eliminating the "See via windshield" method), that's how the movieverse designers decided that Transformers should see to navigate in their Cybertronian altmodes. I don't know that you can really call that lazy.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:In my humble opinion:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Well... Hum...
This should be at the #1 spot.
Star Convoy's base mode. Impossible to be more in-your-face than this. sure, that head could be hidden, but having it this way is the OFFICIAL way.
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