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Sabrblade wrote:Was he, though? He certainly disappeared into obscurity for over a decade after Hasbro lost his name. Like it or not, the first movie is what brought Bumblebee back into prominence and made him a household name for the brand. Before then, Bumblebee was just another name in a long list of Average Joes that only the hardcore fans cared about, with his role having since been replaced by the likes of Cheetor and Hot Shot. And it was the movie version of Bumblebee that became the standout version of the character, then one that made Hasbro boatloads of money. He and his dumb voice gimmick are too valuable to Paramount for them to give up either, especially after the most recent TF movie they made was specifically for him and his gimmick. Like it or not, we're stuck with him being a poor man's E.T. in these movies all thanks to one Mr. Steven Spielberg.transformers_va wrote:It's funny that this could be considered "iconic", as Bee was around long before the Bay movies, but I agree with you that they won't do thatSabrblade wrote:You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.
Yes, he was most definitely around, granted not in the same shining spotlight that he is nowSabrblade wrote:Was he, though? He certainly disappeared into obscurity for over a decade after Hasbro lost his name. Like it or not, the first movie is what brought Bumblebee back into prominence and made him a household name for the brand. Before then, Bumblebee was just another name in a long list of Average Joes that only the hardcore fans cared about, with his role having since been replaced by the likes of Cheetor and Hot Shot. And it was the movie version of Bumblebee that became the standout version of the character, then one that made Hasbro boatloads of money. He and his dumb voice gimmick are too valuable to Paramount for them to give up either, especially after the most recent TF movie they made was specifically for him and his gimmick. Like it or not, we're stuck with him being a poor man's E.T. in these movies all thanks to one Mr. Steven Spielberg.
Oh? Where was he during Beast Wars? Beast Machines? Robots in Disguise '01? Armada? Energon? Cybertron? As in, where the brand's main focus was before the movies.transformers_va wrote:Yes, he was most definitely around, granted not in the same shining spotlight that he is now
Simple. Spielberg wanted a mascot, a focal kid-appeal character for his "A boy and his car" premise for the first movie, one that they could milk for all its worth in a foolhardy attempt to recapture the magic of E.T.'s whimsical appeal. Since the kid in the movie was gonna be named Witwicky, they chose the name of the Autobot who was the original Witwicky boy's best friend.transformers_va wrote:I don't understand the focus he gets these days.. he was a crappy character in G1, and is still a crappy character (even worse is he's lost his Bug charm, and is now a POS Camaro). I don't recall anyone in the 80s saying, "Man, Bee is my favourite character"... almost EVERY character was cooler/better than he was
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
-Kanrabat- wrote:I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.
Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.
Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.
ZeroWolf wrote:This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.
Simple. Spielberg wanted a mascot, a focal kid-appeal character for his "A boy and his car" premise for the first movie, one that they could milk for all its worth in a foolhardy attempt to recapture the magic of BABY WEE WEE. whimsical appeal.[/quote]Sabrblade wrote:
Really? So are you saying that it was specifically the Bay movies that did this, or could it be that the Transformers already have a huge fanbase, and any movies would have done this?ZeroWolf wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.
Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.
Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.
This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.
transformers_va wrote:Really? So are you saying that it was specifically the Bay movies that did this, or could it be that the Transformers already have a huge fanbase, and any movies would have done this?ZeroWolf wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.
Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.
Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.
This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.
Well, since you're the one who finds "whimsical appeal" in that toy, who am I to stop you from liking it?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Yes, it's inevitable that with new generations of ppl being born, the fanbase grew, but hard to judge due to the infancy of the internet. It's interesting that the site we're on was created -7 years BEFORE Bayverse-Kanrabat- wrote:I don't think that the fanbase was that huge before 207. It was pretty nice, but it could have been bigger. Then the 2007 movie happened and it was MAGICAL enough to revitalise the franchise into a new prosperity, like Beast Wars did back then.
Again, can be attributed to the existing fanbase, not Bay specifically-Kanrabat- wrote:Hasbro tried it a few more times for other brands like GI Joe but they couldn't recreate what the 2007 Bay movie did.
Because it's NOT a fact-Kanrabat- wrote:I find hilarious that to this day, there's still "Bay haters" who just refuse to acknowledge this fact.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Are the movies garbage?
Yes.
Are the bots just a pite of random scrapmetal thrown into a blender?
Yes.
Did the movies brought more fans than ever?
Also yes.
Checkmate atheist.
Hahaha can't/won't disagree on this-Kanrabat- wrote:Are the bots just a pite of random scrapmetal thrown into a blender?
There were some redeeming qualities, so I can't agree that they were complete garbage.. but they could have been a million times better than Bay-Kanrabat- wrote:Are the movies garbage?
Can't say that for certain, unless you have the metrics of before and after.. again hard because of the internet's infancy-Kanrabat- wrote:Did the movies brought more fans than ever?
Can't say that for certain, unless you have the metrics of before and after.. again hard because of the internet's infancy[/quote]-Kanrabat- wrote:Did the movies brought more fans than ever?
blackeyedprime wrote:As for new fans due to Bay my son wouldn't even watch the bumblebee film because of how bad the bay ones were (I only watched it due to laika). I subjected him to 07 at imax but realised I didn't want him watching that kinda crap as a lot of it was inappropriate (and pretty much got worse). He did however really enjoy prime which is kinda baynus based though he favors armada/energon. There's been plenty of media to bring in new fans since g1 and that will continue even if the live actions continue to be terrible but the baynus approach lost a lot of fans too and some of them might never find their way back.
The toys rely HEAVILY on the media, whether it be movies, TV, comics, video games, etc., so to disassociate doesn't make sense. When crappy movies are actually turning fans away from the franchise, that is a problem that Hasbro should not ignore. I want to see Transformers continue for decades and generations to come, and it annoys me that stupid Hollywood/Hasbro decision making puts that into jeopardycloudballoon wrote:TF to me, and I'm pretty sure for Hasbro too, are never about the TV/movies first. It's about the TOYS.
transformers_va wrote:The toys rely HEAVILY on the media, whether it be movies, TV, comics, video games, etc., so to disassociate doesn't make sense. When crappy movies are actually turning fans away from the franchise, that is a problem that Hasbro should not ignore. I want to see Transformers continue for decades and generations to come, and it annoys me that stupid Hollywood/Hasbro decision making puts that into jeopardycloudballoon wrote:TF to me, and I'm pretty sure for Hasbro too, are never about the TV/movies first. It's about the TOYS.
I agree, proof is definitely in the money. Transformers (2007) brought in roughly 320 million in North America, but fell to roughly 130 million for TLK.. doesn't strike me as "a minority of a minority"-Kanrabat- wrote:However, the fans that are being "turned away" by the Bay movies must be a minority of a minority.
Proof is in the MONEY.
transformers_va wrote:I agree, proof is definitely in the money. Transformers (2007) brought in roughly 320 million in North America, but fell to roughly 130 million for TLK.. doesn't strike me as "a minority of a minority"-Kanrabat- wrote:However, the fans that are being "turned away" by the Bay movies must be a minority of a minority.
Proof is in the MONEY.
Because this thread/discussion is about about the movies-Kanrabat- wrote:Y U just look at the movies while conveniently ignoring the toys and merchs sales?
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