transformers_va wrote:Because this thread/discussion is about about the movies-Kanrabat- wrote:Y U just look at the movies while conveniently ignoring the toys and merchs sales?
That wasn't the discussion since at least 20 posts and you know it.
transformers_va wrote:Because this thread/discussion is about about the movies-Kanrabat- wrote:Y U just look at the movies while conveniently ignoring the toys and merchs sales?
If you have verifiable metrics of toys/merch sales per movie, then I'd be happy to add that to the totals, but it will likely lead to the same conclusion - Bayverse drove fans away from the franchise, and NOT in small numbers.-Kanrabat- wrote:That wasn't the discussion since at least 20 posts and you know it.
100% agreed! I feel awful for the younger generation being introduced to Star Wars via Disney, rather than Lucasblackeyedprime wrote:Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did.
As a longtime fan of Transformers, this is heartbreaking.. hopefully he'll see it one day, and realise that the Bay movies were (hopefully) an anomalyblackeyedprime wrote:..my son wouldn't even watch the bumblebee film because of how bad the bay ones were"
transformers_va wrote:100% agreed! I feel awful for the younger generation being introduced to Star Wars via Disney, rather than Lucasblackeyedprime wrote:Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:transformers_va wrote:100% agreed! I feel awful for the younger generation being introduced to Star Wars via Disney, rather than Lucasblackeyedprime wrote:Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did.
And I feel awful for the generation that was introduced to Star Wars via Lucas prequel trilogy. (The generation I was introduced to it)
Seriously Star Wars movies are entertaining but there's only like 2-3 of the films that were actually "good", at least by the "high class" standards people have today.
ZeroWolf wrote:Deadput wrote:transformers_va wrote:100% agreed! I feel awful for the younger generation being introduced to Star Wars via Disney, rather than Lucasblackeyedprime wrote:Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did.
And I feel awful for the generation that was introduced to Star Wars via Lucas prequel trilogy. (The generation I was introduced to it)
Seriously Star Wars movies are entertaining but there's only like 2-3 of the films that were actually "good", at least by the "high class" standards people have today.
If we're being honest, that would only be Empire...which Lucas didn't direct.. also one of the best Star wars films, Rogue One, is a Disney film.
That sounds more like the AOE line. TLK was more "Dragons/Knights!!!!!!!" than "Dinosaurs!!!!!!!".cloudballoon wrote:The TLK toy line did well probably was due to the simplified transformation and Dinosaurs!!!!!!!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.transformers_va wrote:Too bad we're still getting that crappy Camaro Bee, and that he's probably still a main character. If they have to include him, I REALLY hope they at least finally drop that "Bee doesn't have a voice" crap
transformers_va wrote:If you have verifiable metrics of toys/merch sales per movie, then I'd be happy to add that to the totals, but it will likely lead to the same conclusion - Bayverse drove fans away from the franchise, and NOT in small numbers.
No doubt, the movies DID bring in fans, I have NEVER argued differently. However, it has also pushed a large number of fans away.. the very same fans that have a large amount of disposable income, when compared to a much younger fanD-Maximal_Primal wrote:Speaking as someone who got into Star Wars thanks to the prequels (still my favorite by far, Empire to me is one of the worst Star Wars films put to screen) and into Transformers thanks to the movies (and actually enjoyed all 6 live action ones to date, even TLK), I think some of you are massively underestimating those respective markets and their impact. All of the movie Bees I have are the reason you guys got a Haslab Unicron and 2 different iterations of your favorite Ark bots between Prime Wars and WFC. It's that simple.
If it weren't for the movies, we probably would have kept on the BW/BM/RiD2001/UT train, with some good series sprinkled in with some subpar, the bots always looking different and no one complaining about the "name slapping" (which to me is ridiculous to say).
Movies brought in fans. Movies made a crap ton of toys that a lot of people bought and brought them on board. My generation exists. We have had a huge impact. And if anything would make people want to jump ship, TLK probably would have the same impact as Prime Wars and WFC, because all 3 of those are of similar quality with a lot of the same issues.
Get off the entitlement horse. It's unbecoming. After 6 movies ya'd think it would have been better.
I'm sorry, are you so short-sighted as to not understand that those numbers could have been SO much higher had they NOT created such crappy movies/characters?william-james88 wrote:transformers_va wrote:If you have verifiable metrics of toys/merch sales per movie, then I'd be happy to add that to the totals, but it will likely lead to the same conclusion - Bayverse drove fans away from the franchise, and NOT in small numbers.
LOLOLOLOL
So I guess it wasn't fans giving Hasbro all this money for the increase output of toys that has lead to us now having at least 3 main lines at all times rather than 1 to satisfy increased demand for TF toys. Only 5 year olds and grandmas buy Studio Series figs, everyone knows that!
transformers_va wrote:
Scratch that, since it diverges from the main point that I was making, which is Bay movies drove away large numbers of fans
Sure.. I'll get right on that-Kanrabat- wrote:transformers_va wrote:
Scratch that, since it diverges from the main point that I was making, which is Bay movies drove away large numbers of fans
Please name each and everyone of them along their date of birth and social security number.
-Kanrabat- wrote:transformers_va wrote:
Scratch that, since it diverges from the main point that I was making, which is Bay movies drove away large numbers of fans
Please name each and everyone of them along their date of birth and social security number.
transformers_va wrote:I'm sorry, are you so short-sighted as to not understand that those numbers could have been SO much higher had they NOT created such crappy movies/characters?william-james88 wrote:transformers_va wrote:If you have verifiable metrics of toys/merch sales per movie, then I'd be happy to add that to the totals, but it will likely lead to the same conclusion - Bayverse drove fans away from the franchise, and NOT in small numbers.
LOLOLOLOL
So I guess it wasn't fans giving Hasbro all this money for the increase output of toys that has lead to us now having at least 3 main lines at all times rather than 1 to satisfy increased demand for TF toys. Only 5 year olds and grandmas buy Studio Series figs, everyone knows that!
Scratch that, since it diverges from the main point that I was making, which is Bay movies drove away large numbers of fans
It's not weakness, it's disappointment/anger/sadness because ppl know it could have been SO much better. Bay gave us crappy movies and crappy characters!Razorbeast88 wrote:If these large numbers of fans were driven away because of a couple of movies then they're weak and thats why noone will remember their names lol #fakefans
You can dislike the movies while still acknowledging that they were a net boon to brand (spoken as someone who does exactly that).transformers_va wrote:It's not weakness, it's disappointment/anger/sadness because ppl know it could have been SO much better. Bay gave us crappy movies and crappy characters!Razorbeast88 wrote:If these large numbers of fans were driven away because of a couple of movies then they're weak and thats why noone will remember their names lol #fakefans
transformers_va wrote:It's not weakness, it's disappointment/anger/sadness because ppl know it could have been SO much better. Bay gave us crappy movies and crappy characters!Razorbeast88 wrote:If these large numbers of fans were driven away because of a couple of movies then they're weak and thats why noone will remember their names lol #fakefans
No, in fact, you apparently missed the point entirely lol The point was that Bayverse drove away a large number of fans, which is evident by a 200 million dollar drop in box-office draw. The ask, which wasn't part of my original argunent, and ONLY brought in to humour Kanrabat, was:william-james88 wrote:I showed you the proof you asked for that the movies brought in a ton of money and new fans
The so-called metrics that you provided neither showed the breakdown, nor was it completetransformers_va wrote:If you have verifiable metrics of toys/merch sales per movie, then I'd be happy to add that to the totals, but it will likely lead to the same conclusion - Bayverse drove fans away from the franchise, and NOT in small numbers."
I've NEVER argued the opposite.. of course they were a boon to the brand, but they could have been MUCH better received had they NOT chosen Bay's crappy direction (as evident by Travis' Bumblebee)Autobot N wrote:You can dislike the movies while still acknowledging that they were a net boon to brand (spoken as someone who does exactly that).
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