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Nexus Knight wrote:So... Unicron is coming to Earth... but he is also Earth... and this isn't a reboot... ow my head.
Sidebar: This looks epic... other than likely continuity slipsadoodle (seriously, the Bay films were moneymakers and the my first exposure to Transformers, but let them go, pleeeeease), I'm hoping for big things.
Nexus Knight wrote:So... Unicron is coming to Earth... but he is also Earth... and this isn't a reboot... ow my head.
Sidebar: This looks epic... other than likely continuity slipsadoodle (seriously, the Bay films were moneymakers and the my first exposure to Transformers, but let them go, pleeeeease), I'm hoping for big things.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Immortal Starscream wrote:I don't know why people are that surprised. The phrase "Transformers Continuity" has almost always been an oxymoron.
o.supreme wrote:Everyone has their own view. But for me, until Car Robots/Rid there were basically only 2 continuities. The Marvel Comic, and Marvel/Sunbow animated series.
UK, & G2 comics were part of Marvel comics continuity.
All the Japanese series, Manga, as well as BW and BM could be tied to the original Sunbow series. It wasn't *perfect* but it made a heck of a lot more sense than the live action films.
Sure in the 21st century we have literally dozens of TF continuities now, but nobody is saying they Are all in the same universe. We acknowledge they are all different.
It's just certain producers at Paramount trying to say all the live action films take place in the same continuity when that clearly isn't possible.
william-james88 wrote:You should read the article you posted, they didn't call it a reboot, that's just fan interpretation of generic corporate speak which was never even made official.
Google: Is Bumblebee a prequel or reboot?
Answer: Overall Bumblebee was developed as a prequel to Bayverse but later on decision was made to make it a reboot of the franchise so they changed some scenes at the beginning of the movie and at the end of the movie.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:If any previous movie is getting retconned by all this, it could just be TLK alone, since it was the only one of the movies that bombed.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Simple. Wipe clean the terrible post-AOE slate we have now, to make room for a future movie to pick up the pieces and try making better AOE follow-up.Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If any previous movie is getting retconned by all this, it could just be TLK alone, since it was the only one of the movies that bombed.
What would the point of that be when all it would do is just make Age of Extinction a cliffhanger if they don't follow up on the ending when it already had a sequel movie as unsatisfying as it was at actually following up on the plot threads there especially when Unicron was never mentioned to be a thing until TLK?
This film doesn't seem to be doing anything with Creators or whatever so that idea just seems jarring.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
SpaceEagle wrote:Trailer looked pretty cool, seems like it'll at least have some good action scenes. Kinda surprised they jumped to the biggest bad of them all with Unicron, though.
o.supreme wrote:It's just certain producers at Paramount trying to say all the live action films take place in the same continuity when that clearly isn't possible.
Munkky wrote:Unicron being in this movie makes me think they're doing a sort of "half-way" reboot-prequel that only acknowledges one or two past movies as canon and ignores everything else. Slasher movie franchises do this a lot, Halloween is notorious for it, being like a Choose Your Own Adventure book with the various timelines at this point, and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre does it too. It seems like Rise of the Beasts is at the very least ignoring The Last Knight, and possibly Age of Extinction too, which I don't mind too much.
Sabrblade wrote:Simple. Wipe clean the terrible post-AOE slate we have now, to make room for a future movie to pick up the pieces and try making better AOE follow-up.Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If any previous movie is getting retconned by all this, it could just be TLK alone, since it was the only one of the movies that bombed.
What would the point of that be when all it would do is just make Age of Extinction a cliffhanger if they don't follow up on the ending when it already had a sequel movie as unsatisfying as it was at actually following up on the plot threads there especially when Unicron was never mentioned to be a thing until TLK?
This film doesn't seem to be doing anything with Creators or whatever so that idea just seems jarring.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Unicron is risky though. He's usually been the final act of a Transformers story. Alternatively, the whole idea is to keep him dormant to mitigate those stakes.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Every time they make tie-in comics for the movies to try and explain things that the movies didn't, a later movie comes along and makes those comics null and void.Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Simple. Wipe clean the terrible post-AOE slate we have now, to make room for a future movie to pick up the pieces and try making better AOE follow-up.Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If any previous movie is getting retconned by all this, it could just be TLK alone, since it was the only one of the movies that bombed.
What would the point of that be when all it would do is just make Age of Extinction a cliffhanger if they don't follow up on the ending when it already had a sequel movie as unsatisfying as it was at actually following up on the plot threads there especially when Unicron was never mentioned to be a thing until TLK?
This film doesn't seem to be doing anything with Creators or whatever so that idea just seems jarring.
Just make new movies with a clean slate, we got comics and other mediums to give us a follow up on TLK and such that can answer the AOE plot threads, imo it would be more ideal for the movies to actually go into new directions not try to salvage a continuity that isn't much of a coherent one.
Major reason AOE didn't bomb was because of China boosting it's numbers, it was still dwindling overall and was still critically viewed as a "not good" film.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Every time they make tie-in comics for the movies to try and explain things that the movies didn't, a later movie comes along and makes those comics null and void.
The first three films had comics that helped piece everything together in a nice neat way that those three films never even bothered to try doing. And then AOE came along just threw all of those comics out the window, with TLK further burying them in the ground. Then some new comics came along to try and smooth things over between TLK and the then-upcoming Bumblebee movie, but the final version of the Bee movie ended up chucking those comics into the trash.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
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