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[william-james88]

Going by what's been said about the movie both before and after release, this is one I'm definitely passing on. (Which is too bad; I grew up on Beast Wars as a child and was curious to see how they'd work on the big screen despite being Bayformers.)

Yeah, I with you. Regardless of the main plot and other characters, I don't have a good feeling about the Maximals. Maybe towards the end they'll reveal at least 1 or 2 Predacons.

The only predacons are a horde of robot scorpions. They aren't an actual faction in this film.

[Rodimus Prime]

Going by what's been said about the movie both before and after release, this is one I'm definitely passing on. (Which is too bad; I grew up on Beast Wars as a child and was curious to see how they'd work on the big screen despite being Bayformers.)

Yeah, I with you. Regardless of the main plot and other characters, I don't have a good feeling about the Maximals. Maybe towards the end they'll reveal at least 1 or 2 Predacons.

The only predacons are a horde of robot scorpions. They aren't an actual faction in this film.

Right. That's why I said maybe a couple of them get revealed somehow at the end, as a setup for the next movie, which *crosses fingers* will be all about Beast Wars. Wishful thinking, I'm sure.

[ZeroWolf]

Going by what's been said about the movie both before and after release, this is one I'm definitely passing on. (Which is too bad; I grew up on Beast Wars as a child and was curious to see how they'd work on the big screen despite being Bayformers.)

Yeah, I with you. Regardless of the main plot and other characters, I don't have a good feeling about the Maximals. Maybe towards the end they'll reveal at least 1 or 2 Predacons.

The only predacons are a horde of robot scorpions. They aren't an actual faction in this film.

Right. That's why I said maybe a couple of them get revealed somehow at the end, as a setup for the next movie, which *crosses fingers* will be all about Beast Wars. Wishful thinking, I'm sure.

There was one announced a while back with the guy who directed Blue Beetle in the chair. If its still coming out however us a different question.

[griftimus prime]

why have gi joe when they have nest? what a trainwreck

[Munkky]

- The end credit scene is a hint to a future crossover between Transformers and GI Joe

Because Hasbro and Paramount's last few attempts to revive GI Joe worked sooooo well, didn't they?

[Sabrblade]

why have gi joe when they have nest? what a trainwreck

N.E.S.T. doesn't form until the 2000s. This movie is set in the '90s.

[Deadput]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MfMFxv ... onsoNation

And yet the Director says Reboot. "reboot for sure," is something that can't mean anything else.

So frankly it's conflicting information because Lorenzo so desperately wants it to not be, so ultimately we seem to be in a strange middle ground.

But we'll see what happens with the next film or in future news stories, it depends who's staying on board for future films.

[Rodimus Prime]

- The end credit scene is a hint to a future crossover between Transformers and GI Joe

Because Hasbro and Paramount's last few attempts to revive GI Joe worked sooooo well, didn't they?

Maybe if they included Transformers from the start, since the 2007 movie was critically and financially successful, the 2013 Joe movie could have been a crossover of sorts, off the heels of DoTM's big success.

[MaximalNui]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MfMFxvT_-Q&t=2445s&ab_channel=TheAlfonsoNation

And yet the Director says Reboot. "reboot for sure," is something that can't mean anything else.

So frankly it's conflicting information because Lorenzo so desperately wants it to not be, so ultimately we seem to be in a strange middle ground.

But we'll see what happens with the next film or in future news stories, it depends who's staying on board for future films.

And this right here is my main issue: the constant flip-flopping. This guy says it's a reboot, this guy says it's the same universe, this guy says it's a "new storytelling universe" - whatever that is -, the other guy says it's a reboot again; can't everyone involved with these films just pick one answer to the question and stick with it?!

Anyways, on lighter notes, guess Caple Jr. wasn't kidding when he said he wanted to evoke the feelings of Unicron's first appearance; he even borrowed the music! And good thing he did; that theme always gave me chills.

And it's nice to see how careful and respectful they were with a historical site like Machu Pichu. I really hope the same care reflects in the final product.

[Sabrblade]

Watching the part in that video where he says it's a reboot, he's very wishy-washy about it, and continues by saying things like "There's things you could probably connect to it," and emphasizes Bumblebee as "clearly" a "huge connection to all the movies". When spelling out what he means by "reboot", he speaks of the movie's direction and such, never actually specifying it as a completely separate "reality" or "universe".

And there remains the possibility that he may end up not being the director of the next live-action movie to come after ROTB, and that new director could choose to spin things closer to the continuity (soup) of the Bay movies.

It honestly feels to me that he's using the word "reboot" like how Age of Extinction had been described as a "reboot", and we all know how that movie turned out in relation to Dark of the Moon.

[84everfan]

Yes it is a reboot, it says it right here in the "I'm not blind or deaf, and I've seen the first 5 movies" handbook.

[william-james88]

- The end credit scene is a hint to a future crossover between Transformers and GI Joe

Because Hasbro and Paramount's last few attempts to revive GI Joe worked sooooo well, didn't they?

I think that is indeed the reason. They have this IP that hasn't worked in the past so maybe attaching it to TF is the way to finally get everyone excited about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MfMFxvT_-Q&t=2445s&ab_channel=TheAlfonsoNation

And yet the Director says Reboot. "reboot for sure," is something that can't mean anything else.

You say that and yet the context when he mentions that leaves a lot to interpretation. It is not cut and dry. At least not as cut and dry as Lorenzo's comments in the film's press conference. He's being very wishy washy. And as others have pointed out, while he did direct the film, he does not have final say, and might not direct the next one (or have final say on the next one, ect). It's Paramount and the producers who are keeping this in limbo, keeping it vague, on purpose. But I said it before and I'll say it again, it doesn't really matter regardless. If you can't be sure when watching the film, then whatever someone tells you won't change that. The film should speak for itself.

[Deadput]

For sure but it's just another piece that doesn't confirm it one way or another, can't say it's either a reboot or not with 100 percent certainty so saying "officially confirmed not a reboot" is just as uncertain especially in an interview/livestream where some people in it seemed actually stoned.

Really says something when the directors of both Bumblebee and ROTB approach the film with a reboot like mind despite the producer doing literally anything he can to keep it not as a reboot.

Regardless of it all just can't stand Lorenzo as far as being a producer goes and not just in regards to his involvement in Transformers films, no faith in the Transformers x Gi-Joe idea considering Snake Eyes.

[Rodimus Prime]

And there remains the possibility that he may end up not being the director of the next live-action movie to come after ROTB, and that new director could choose to spin things closer to the continuity (soup) of the Bay movies.

Fingers crossed for a new director and actually finishing the story started in The Last Knight.

[-Kanrabat-]

- The end credit scene is a hint to a future crossover between Transformers and GI Joe

Because Hasbro and Paramount's last few attempts to revive GI Joe worked sooooo well, didn't they?

I think that is indeed the reason. They have this IP that hasn't worked in the past so maybe attaching it to TF is the way to finally get everyone excited about it.

The only way this Joe X-over can work is if they give them the Bee Movie treatment. Keep the Joes as much "G1" as possible, including the little bits of nonsensical silliness that comes with the Sunbow classic.

NOT trying to "reinvent the wheel" and making them "full mature edgy" like they did for the previous Joe 3 movies.

[william-james88]

The Transformers Rise of the Beasts film has premiered and will be out soon for all to see. In the meantime, we have some fun images for you. These are scans from two books for children based on the film. While they may be based on earlier versions of the script, it is fun to see the ideas that were brought into the film and what may have been dropped. For instance, we see that the Freezer character is called a sweep and we see that Airazor brings up the concept of the Maximals being the Autobots' future (ALA the Kingdom cartoon).

We'll see if that sticks at all. But the best part is that below you will see some great art from TF artist extraordinaire Guido Guidi. Enjoy!

[-Kanrabat-]

I love that idea that the Freezers are Scourge's "Sweeps."

[william-james88]

For sure but it's just another piece that doesn't confirm it one way or another, can't say it's either a reboot or not with 100 percent certainty so saying "officially confirmed not a reboot" is just as uncertain especially in an interview/livestream where some people in it seemed actually stoned.

Really says something when the directors of both Bumblebee and ROTB approach the film with a reboot like mind despite the producer doing literally anything he can to keep it not as a reboot.

Regardless of it all just can't stand Lorenzo as far as being a producer goes and not just in regards to his involvement in Transformers films, no faith in the Transformers x Gi-Joe idea considering Snake Eyes.

Yes, I agree with all of that, because that's basically the truth to it all. This franchise is in continuity limbo on purpose to both give creativity to the new people on board but also retain any pre established fanbase. Personally, not a fan. I'd rather have something end and then do something clearly new.

I do want to clarify one thing though, regarding your quote. While we can see what's going on, the question was asked at the global press conference and the answer was that this is not a reboot. That is an official stance from the producer, speaking to the global press, after being asked to confirm how the film should be interpreted. So it's a fact that the production team does not consider this film to be a reboot when compared to the other films in the franchise.

And that piece of info helps us understand what can happen going forward. It means that Paramount can tie things up later if they want and it means that there won't be a clear severance from the other movies in the series.

[Quantum Surge]

For kids books, they have better artwork than most comic books today do.

[Rodimus Prime]

For kids books, they have better artwork than most comic books today do.

Thanks to Guidi. My favorite TF artist followed by Andrew Wildman.

[chuckdawg1999]

For kids books, they have better artwork than most comic books today do.

Way, way, better.

[william-james88]

I will start a spoiler thread.

[-Kanrabat-]

I will start a spoiler thread.

Good call.
Especially when we're getting so close.

I bought my tickets for June 10th afternoon so I do hope that no smart-asses will spoil me major details on Youtube or here. I'll have to get off the grid for almost 48 hours.

[griftimus prime]

he seems off his game here. this stuff is really up and down in quality

[Sabrblade]

FWIW, just a few minutes ago on Entertainment Tonight, their Summer Movie Preview just referred to Rise of the Beasts as both a sequel to Bumblebee and a prequel to "the original film".