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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:-Elemental started out really slow, but somehow gained speed, and is now the highest grossing Pixar film in 4 years somehow. An example of a film that came out in heavy traffic, but had legs and good word of mouth.
First-Aid wrote:Can someone tell me if ROTB picked their date before or after Flash and Spidey? I have a feeling they picked first, and the other two studios added their dates afterwards.
It's set to be released there on August 4, this Friday.First-Aid wrote:On a side note, how has this not opened in Japan yet????
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:First-Aid wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Big Grim wrote:It was average at best with Murder Prime showing a new casual racism against humans that didn't make a lick of sense.
Additionally, we got beast formers who don't transform until the final battle where we don't see them worth a damn. Well done. Well done indeed.
~ Grim
No explanations for any of those too.
To the former, I don't think Prime has had much human interaction to this point, so the trust wouldn't be there. His talk with Bee about Bee's own history with human interaction demonstrates that. Yes, they could have explained it better. The Noah character did a lot for establishing a positive relationship with humanity for Prime, I think.
To the second point, they've been hiding for centuries. Hiding. So likely they haven't been OUT of their beast mode for that long. Likely, they simply feel more natural in them at this point. Transform ONLY if needed. Again, should have explained better, but that explanation makes sense to me.
On a side note, how has this not opened in Japan yet????
The robot modes are as big as the beast modes, I don't see how being in one is considered hiding compared to being in a different mode.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Funny you should mention that.DeathReviews wrote:Plus, their interpretation of Optimus has just veered so off-character. He's gone from compassionate hero, to a merciless butcher who rips off faces with hooks and blows off enemies' heads while they're down and helpless.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
I mean, even Peter Cullen sees him as the same Optimus that he's always played.First-Aid wrote:The issue is that people are seeing him as OUR Optimus when it isn't.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
First-Aid wrote:I don't think he is a psycho. I think he is a soldier who has been fighting in a war of pure survival for millions of years.
The issue is that people are seeing him as OUR Optimus when it isn't.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:First-Aid wrote:I don't think he is a psycho. I think he is a soldier who has been fighting in a war of pure survival for millions of years.
The issue is that people are seeing him as OUR Optimus when it isn't.
Personally, i really don't care? Having different flavors of Optimus is good. I like Animated Prime for the younger learning to lead type, but I also really like movie/Prime Optimus. And each personality fits the world that Optimus comes from.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
First-Aid wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:First-Aid wrote:I don't think he is a psycho. I think he is a soldier who has been fighting in a war of pure survival for millions of years.
The issue is that people are seeing him as OUR Optimus when it isn't.
Personally, i really don't care? Having different flavors of Optimus is good. I like Animated Prime for the younger learning to lead type, but I also really like movie/Prime Optimus. And each personality fits the world that Optimus comes from.
You, sir, NAILED IT. I salute you.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Spider5800 wrote:I still think this film was a victim of bad timing. Opening in the middle of Spiderverse 2, Flash and Elemental was just a dumb move, especially since two of those movies probably draw from the same target audience. Film had no breathing room, and basically won a single weekend before getting pushed out by other films. Exact same mistake they made with Bumblebee.
Agreed with this. Why they timed it like they did is beyond me, and we are witnessing a similar phenomenon with Mission Impossible. It opened at a bad time as well, and Oppenheimer and Barbie just absolutely destroyed it.
We've also been witnessing a very volatile and interesting movie market this year:
-Outside of Spiderverse and Guardians of the Galaxy, things related to superheroes are doing very poorly. I think we are up to 3 bombs now (Shazam, Quantumania, Flash), plus Secret Invasion on streaming just ended extremely badly.
-Oppenheimer, a 3 hour biopic related to nuclear warfare, has really blown expectations, especially as an R-rated movie. It has outgrossed I think Shazam, Flash, and is closing in on Transformers and Quantumania, and it only came out 11 days ago. Plus, it has been very well reviewed and received.
-Barbie is just a true case of madness, destroying any expectations and really throwing a grenade in the water, as well as being highly reviewed and received. Plus, ya know, barbenheimer.
-Elemental started out really slow, but somehow gained speed, and is now the highest grossing Pixar film in 4 years somehow. An example of a film that came out in heavy traffic, but had legs and good word of mouth.
-Then of course there is MI underperforming due to the release time, much like Transformers
-And we cannot forget that Super Mario Bros. is the highest grossing film by far this year, though Barbie stands a reasonable chance of catching it.
Needless to say, it's a madhouse at the theatre this year.
That's true. The world of the movies is gratuitously uber-violent, so Movie Optimus is also gratuitously uber-violent. And the world of Prime is dull and lifeless, so Prime Optimus is also dull and lifeless.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:but I also really like movie/Prime Optimus. And each personality fits the world that Optimus comes from.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeroWolf wrote:First-Aid wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:First-Aid wrote:I don't think he is a psycho. I think he is a soldier who has been fighting in a war of pure survival for millions of years.
The issue is that people are seeing him as OUR Optimus when it isn't.
Personally, i really don't care? Having different flavors of Optimus is good. I like Animated Prime for the younger learning to lead type, but I also really like movie/Prime Optimus. And each personality fits the world that Optimus comes from.
You, sir, NAILED IT. I salute you.
Agreed, it's good that we have different takes on the character.
Sabrblade wrote:That's true. The world of the movies is gratuitously uber-violent, so Movie Optimus is also gratuitously uber-violent. And the world of Prime is dull and lifeless, so Prime Optimus is also dull and lifeless.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:but I also really like movie/Prime Optimus. And each personality fits the world that Optimus comes from.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Leaving aside the matter of fatigue (one of the reasons they made this a REBOOT - diBonaventura is not a credible source, Will, and the people actually writing and directing have said it's a reboot and your efforts to twist their words otherwise aren't fooling anyone but you)...
1. Paramount prematurely putting the movie on stream and announcing "On streaming soon" around ONE WEEK IN is undoubtedly a major factor, and I'm sure exhibitors would love to have a "chat" with the Paramount higher-ups about that. In a soundproofed, windowless room.
2. Within the fandom, however, some additional blame falls on this very site. We had a full-movie spoiler synopsis up before the thing even opened. Whatever the motive, be it furthering Will's attempts at reboot-denial or simply ZOMG HOT SKEWP... it was selfish and stupid, and undoubtedly sabotaged fan attendance numbers to some degree or other; part of me wishes we'd been served a C&D over it. Thar article along with Will's increasingly deranged denial about it being a reboot... makes me want us to stop covering non-toy movie news entirely.
3. I think Will is grossly underestimating the potential of the Japanese box office performance. Takara's hype machine is doing a way better job to drum up interest than Hasbro and Paramount did, including milking the Japanese love for Beast Wars for everything it's worth.
Bay’s approval was tricky, because he was worried that merging the series would cheapen the other “Transformers” movies. “I called him 50 times,” Robbins says. “I would not let him off the hook. And when he finally stopped dodging my calls, we got him to sign off.”
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One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Leaving aside the matter of fatigue (one of the reasons they made this a REBOOT - diBonaventura is not a credible source, Will, and the people actually writing and directing have said it's a reboot and your efforts to twist their words otherwise aren't fooling anyone but you)...
1. Paramount prematurely putting the movie on stream and announcing "On streaming soon" around ONE WEEK IN is undoubtedly a major factor, and I'm sure exhibitors would love to have a "chat" with the Paramount higher-ups about that. In a soundproofed, windowless room.
2. Within the fandom, however, some additional blame falls on this very site. We had a full-movie spoiler synopsis up before the thing even opened. Whatever the motive, be it furthering Will's attempts at reboot-denial or simply ZOMG HOT SKEWP... it was selfish and stupid, and undoubtedly sabotaged fan attendance numbers to some degree or other; part of me wishes we'd been served a C&D over it. Thar article along with Will's increasingly deranged denial about it being a reboot... makes me want us to stop covering non-toy movie news entirely.
3. I think Will is grossly underestimating the potential of the Japanese box office performance. Takara's hype machine is doing a way better job to drum up interest than Hasbro and Paramount did, including milking the Japanese love for Beast Wars for everything it's worth.
Randomhero wrote:I’ve literally lost count of many of these pointless articles this site has written about how Rise the beasts didn’t perform well
Randomhero wrote:I’ve literally lost count of many of these pointless articles this site has written about how Rise the beasts didn’t perform well
william-james88 wrote:I'm like to write an article about its opening numbers in Japan, since fans are curious and it's been brought up a lot. Should I only publish that article if the film performs well in Japan?
cloudballoon wrote:william-james88 wrote:I'm like to write an article about its opening numbers in Japan, since fans are curious and it's been brought up a lot. Should I only publish that article if the film performs well in Japan?
For me weekend box office updates are appreciated. But the pessimistic tone is a little heavy though bth.
Sure ROTB performs below expectations, and might be a loser for Paramount at the box office at the end of the day. But digital/physical media will play a bigger ratio for ROTB than any previous movies in recuperating costs because I bet more fans want to stream it than watch at the cinema nowadays. I am one of them. But I'm an outlier from the start as I can count on one hand how may times I go to the theatre in a year (my wife doesn't care about dumb blockbusters, nor I).
But in terms of pure losses, ROTB can't be worst than the DC/Marvels/Indy. It's jsut a weird movie year.
But that full script post... man... that a buzz killer IMO.
And besides, Box office numbers isn't that big a deal anyway. Profitable? Great! Paramount lost money on a film? Tax writeoff! AND (hopefully) lesson learned!
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