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[Sabrblade]

I'm genuinely surprised people are still complaining that RotB was too 'woke' or that the director was pushing some evil agenda.

It comes primarily from his comments about how he was going to use the movie to highlight black/Latino culture

And after seeing the movie, there really wasn't much of that in the movie anyway.

This. the comments on "woke" are incredibly stupid after seeing the movie, since there was basically NOTHING of that nature. The closest you get is the whole "family cannot afford the medical bills to save a kids life" deal, but that is hardly limited to one specific ethnicity.

Yeah, that's more of a social class thing than anything. That the main family in this movie belonged to the lower-middle class instead of just the middle class.

[-Kanrabat-]

I'm genuinely surprised people are still complaining that RotB was too 'woke' or that the director was pushing some evil agenda.

It comes primarily from his comments about how he was going to use the movie to highlight black/Latino culture

And after seeing the movie, there really wasn't much of that in the movie anyway.

This. the comments on "woke" are incredibly stupid after seeing the movie, since there was basically NOTHING of that nature. The closest you get is the whole "family cannot afford the medical bills to save a kids life" deal, but that is hardly limited to one specific ethnicity.

This.
But the director's prejudices are still apparent when all the "assholes bosses" were all white.
For more realism and to "proves" that there was no biases, the posh jet-set museum boss should have been also black, at the very least. Because in reality, no matter the races, there's people "on top" and people "on the bottom." Classism is the most important vector of prejudices.

As for that bit about "celebrating "black" and "latino" culture, that's the most nonsensical statement ever from that director. Because in the movie, the only "black culture" thing I could see is the "street criminals culture" (oh boy, way to go, Hollywood.) As for the "latino" culture, there was none. There was a South American country festival, but that's not "latino" culture, that's Peru's culture.
Labelling any culture with a "color" is something that makes no sense.

Regardless, to see any "agenda" in this movie appart the desire to sell toys, one must need a heavy duty tinfoil hat and a big board with a tons of red strings.

[william-james88]

just quoting you to get your attention

Ok, so it seems the tf wiki entry missed a fun easter egg in the trivia section for this film. They mention Mirage turning into an F1 car as an homage to G1, but then he also says he can turn into a Ferari (and might turn into one at the moment, but the camera is on Noah). That's a nod to Bayverse Dino. Or it could be. Either way, that element is mising from the wiki, they only mention the F1 car and the Lambo, not the Ferari.

[Sabrblade]

just quoting you to get your attention

Ok, so it seems the tf wiki entry missed a fun easter egg in the trivia section for this film. They mention Mirage turning into an F1 car as an homage to G1, but then he also says he can turn into a Ferari (and might turn into one at the moment, but the camera is on Noah). That's a nod to Bayverse Dino. Or it could be. Either way, that element is mising from the wiki, they only mention the F1 car and the Lambo, not the Ferari.

Added.

Though, it was mentioned on Mirage's page.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

just quoting you to get your attention

Ok, so it seems the tf wiki entry missed a fun easter egg in the trivia section for this film. They mention Mirage turning into an F1 car as an homage to G1, but then he also says he can turn into a Ferari (and might turn into one at the moment, but the camera is on Noah). That's a nod to Bayverse Dino. Or it could be. Either way, that element is mising from the wiki, they only mention the F1 car and the Lambo, not the Ferari.

Added.

Though, it was mentioned on Mirage's page.

I appreciate the fact that Mirage and Dino have separate pages now.

Now if only we could get to the point where we could do that with Wheeljack and Que, in a wiki acceptable manner.

[Sabrblade]

just quoting you to get your attention

Ok, so it seems the tf wiki entry missed a fun easter egg in the trivia section for this film. They mention Mirage turning into an F1 car as an homage to G1, but then he also says he can turn into a Ferari (and might turn into one at the moment, but the camera is on Noah). That's a nod to Bayverse Dino. Or it could be. Either way, that element is mising from the wiki, they only mention the F1 car and the Lambo, not the Ferari.

Added.

Though, it was mentioned on Mirage's page.

I appreciate the fact that Mirage and Dino have separate pages now.

Now if only we could get to the point where we could do that with Wheeljack and Que, in a wiki acceptable manner.

ROTB Wheeljack has already been given his own page, per interview comments from Caple stating ROTB Wheeljack is a new character.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

just quoting you to get your attention

Ok, so it seems the tf wiki entry missed a fun easter egg in the trivia section for this film. They mention Mirage turning into an F1 car as an homage to G1, but then he also says he can turn into a Ferari (and might turn into one at the moment, but the camera is on Noah). That's a nod to Bayverse Dino. Or it could be. Either way, that element is mising from the wiki, they only mention the F1 car and the Lambo, not the Ferari.

Added.

Though, it was mentioned on Mirage's page.

I appreciate the fact that Mirage and Dino have separate pages now.

Now if only we could get to the point where we could do that with Wheeljack and Que, in a wiki acceptable manner.

ROTB Wheeljack has already been given his own page, per interview comments from Caple stating ROTB Wheeljack is a new character.

Completely missed that, awesome!

I am glad we can finally separate Que/Dino from Wheeljack/Mirage more widely. I have always considered those 2 their own characters, it allows for so much more freedom.

[Sabrblade]

just quoting you to get your attention

Ok, so it seems the tf wiki entry missed a fun easter egg in the trivia section for this film. They mention Mirage turning into an F1 car as an homage to G1, but then he also says he can turn into a Ferari (and might turn into one at the moment, but the camera is on Noah). That's a nod to Bayverse Dino. Or it could be. Either way, that element is mising from the wiki, they only mention the F1 car and the Lambo, not the Ferari.

Added.

Though, it was mentioned on Mirage's page.

I appreciate the fact that Mirage and Dino have separate pages now.

Now if only we could get to the point where we could do that with Wheeljack and Que, in a wiki acceptable manner.

ROTB Wheeljack has already been given his own page, per interview comments from Caple stating ROTB Wheeljack is a new character.

Completely missed that, awesome!

I am glad we can finally separate Que/Dino from Wheeljack/Mirage more widely. I have always considered those 2 their own characters, it allows for so much more freedom.

Though, we're keeping BB Wheeljack on the same page as Que since the latter has had toys and fiction that gave him more G1 Wheeljack-based designs and used the "Wheeljack" name for him.

And because ROTB Wheeljack is portrayed as a youngster, with a voice that makes him sound like he just graduated high school, while BB wheeljack sounded middle-aged, with Steve Blum emulating Chris Latta's G1 Wheeljack voice, so it made little sense to consider the BB and ROTB Wheeljacks the same since aging doesn't work backwards.

[First-Aid]

just quoting you to get your attention

Ok, so it seems the tf wiki entry missed a fun easter egg in the trivia section for this film. They mention Mirage turning into an F1 car as an homage to G1, but then he also says he can turn into a Ferari (and might turn into one at the moment, but the camera is on Noah). That's a nod to Bayverse Dino. Or it could be. Either way, that element is mising from the wiki, they only mention the F1 car and the Lambo, not the Ferari.

Added.

Though, it was mentioned on Mirage's page.

I appreciate the fact that Mirage and Dino have separate pages now.

Now if only we could get to the point where we could do that with Wheeljack and Que, in a wiki acceptable manner.

ROTB Wheeljack has already been given his own page, per interview comments from Caple stating ROTB Wheeljack is a new character.

Completely missed that, awesome!

I am glad we can finally separate Que/Dino from Wheeljack/Mirage more widely. I have always considered those 2 their own characters, it allows for so much more freedom.

Though, we're keeping BB Wheeljack on the same page as Que since the latter has had toys and fiction that gave him more G1 Wheeljack-based designs and used the "Wheeljack" name for him.

And because ROTB Wheeljack is portrayed as a youngster, with a voice that makes him sound like he just graduated high school, while BB wheeljack sounded middle-aged, with Steve Blum emulating Chris Latta's G1 Wheeljack voice, so it made little sense to consider the BB and ROTB Wheeljacks the same since aging doesn't work backwards.

IT makes sense. If this bot is really younger, he could have taken Wheeljack's name in homage, or maybe it's just a common name on Cybertron and multiple bots are named Wheeljack. Like James, Elizabeth, David, Peter, etc.

[Coptur]

The nurse, the security boss and the museum boss. Even the gijoe guy was a smarmy sod.

Haha, so you see a woman in a hospital setting and can only imagine her being a nurse, WOW

ugh...clearly missing the main point, oh dear.

and sorry my bad

"hospital administrator"

I hope you're happy now and don't need anymore attention.

[Acevolts]

Bingo. Hollywood just keeps churning out their "representation" schlock "for modern audiences" and the audiences aren't playing along anymore. A lot of people are tired of seeing our favorite characters deconstructed to push an agenda. And Geriatric Jones and the Condescending Sidekick is expected to leave a crater when it drops. Top Gun Maverick, Spiderman No Way Home, and Super Mario Brothers prove that you give people what they want to see rather than what you want to force on them, they'll show up.

I've been a TF fan since the beginning and I've seen it all. What I haven't seen, but desperately want to, is a TF movie based on Lost Light. Show me a trailer with Ultra Magnus getting drunk in a bar and people jumping off a roof on him to force him to transform and my butt will be in a movie theater seat to see it. And I bet others would want to see, too.

Oh man, if that got made I would buy multiple tickets. Too bad these movies aren't made for us.

[william-james88]

This was a very interesting week at the box office. Due to the new Jennifer Lawrence film, No Hard Feelings, Rise of the Beasts (ROTB) slipped to 5th place on the domestic box office, bringing in 11M. Flash bombed harder than ROTB' terrible numbers from last week, but still beat it with 15M. This lackluster box office made Spider-verse regain the number 1 spot. You cans see the domestic numbers below.

Internationally, everyone got outdone by China with their new film Lost in the Stats which openned with close to 100M in China alone (which is more than ROTB got in its opening week-end in its home turf). Another big winner, internationally, was Elemental which more than doubled what it got last week, and making it the best performing western release in overseas markets this past week-end.

As of right now, it's still not looking good for ROTB, with projections still having it the worst performing live action TF film. However, the global market is showing that it won't be a total bomb either, just shy of breaking even. Which is more than what the Flash can say. Due to an estimated 150M marketing budget, it looks like the Flash would have been more profitable to simply be released on MAX (or VOD) than doing a global theatrical release.

The ROTB numbers are strong enough to suggest that the film would have been far more successful if released in at a less crowded time. Hence why a sequel may still happen.

Domestic Box Office for June 24 week-end

1. Spider-verse 19.3M
2. Elemental 18.4M
3. Flash 15.2M
4. No Hard Feelings 15.1M
5. ROTB 11.6M

International Box Office numbers for the same films for June 24 week-end

Elemental 31.3M
Flash 26.6M
ROTB 25.6M
Spider-verse 22M

Remember that this all pales in comparison to this week's number 1 global winner, Lost in the Stars, which made 97.1M, just in China, drowning out any momentum Rise of the Beasts (or any other western release) may have had there.

Global run so far of those same films

Spider-verse 560M
ROTB 341.2M
Flash 210.9M
Elemental 121M

Figures and predictions were compiled by Luis Fernando on Twitter.

[william-james88]

While we do not know when Transformers Rise of the Beasts will be released for home video, we do have preorders on Amazon for all its releases, including the collectible Steelbook. The cover art for that will be Prime's face in graffiti style, which was also used for posters. The other releases, which can all be accessed at the same link posted below, feature the more standard poster showing the autobot and maximal teams, done in a way to resembles the 86 movie cover.

Here is where all versions can be preordered in the US: https://www.amazon.com/dp/b0c5p7rlsc?ta ... formers-20

[Rodimus Prime]

Did people really sour on Flash this much because of Ezra Miller's antics? I saw the movie last weekend and it was a lot of fun. Great action and comedy, and a multiverse story done as well as the last Spider-Man.

[-Kanrabat-]

Did people really sour on Flash this much because of Ezra Miller's antics? I saw the movie last weekend and it was a lot of fun. Great action and comedy, and a multiverse story done as well as the last Spider-Man.

Maybe it's super hero fatigue?

[william-james88]

Did people really sour on Flash this much because of Ezra Miller's antics? I saw the movie last weekend and it was a lot of fun. Great action and comedy, and a multiverse story done as well as the last Spider-Man.

I don't know, I too thought it was a very well realized film. I preffered it to ROTB, far more entertaining.

[Rodimus Prime]

Did people really sour on Flash this much because of Ezra Miller's antics? I saw the movie last weekend and it was a lot of fun. Great action and comedy, and a multiverse story done as well as the last Spider-Man.

Maybe it's super hero fatigue?

If it was a Marvel movie, sure. But DC has had far fewer features than the MCU, especially with Flash. He had only been in Justice League, AFAIK.

[Brokebot]

Did people really sour on Flash this much because of Ezra Miller's antics? I saw the movie last weekend and it was a lot of fun. Great action and comedy, and a multiverse story done as well as the last Spider-Man.

From what I've heard, the CGI is half-assed and Miller himself is the weakest part of the film, and there's two of him. For me it was superhero fatigue. After the Infinity Saga, both Marvel and DC seem to just be flinging crap against the wall trying to see what sticks. Had they done a Batman Beyond movie with Keaton, my ass would have been there on opening night. As it is, I don't care enough about the Flash to spend money, and the Batman scenes will find their way to the internet eventually.

[blackeyedprime]

Didn't bother with flash or rise of the beasts, saw the boogeyman instead. Typically weak ending but it had actors I like enough to watch in it and it wasn't going to be dross that could or has been done better (kinda anyways).

If flash had been different actors I might have seen it bit both flash tv series had their good moments ans some of the animated. If rise of the beasts had been more bumblebee 2 or unassociated with everything before Id probably still wait to see it just because of the other live actions.

[Nexus Knight]

Did people really sour on Flash this much because of Ezra Miller's antics? I saw the movie last weekend and it was a lot of fun. Great action and comedy, and a multiverse story done as well as the last Spider-Man.

Maybe it's super hero fatigue?

If it was a Marvel movie, sure. But DC has had far fewer features than the MCU, especially with Flash. He had only been in Justice League, AFAIK.

I think it is partially due to Miller himself, bad word of mouth, and the fact the DC's audience has in large parts given up on it. At least Marvel as come up with stuff with more consistent and (at worst) passing quality. DC, though I personally have enjoyed some of the DCEU stuff, is just all over the place, more bad than good.


I am sad to see ROTB doing so poorly. I think it had the same problem as the DCs films, past movies caused too much brand damage (plus opening with so many blockbusters back to back certainly didn't help).

[william-james88]

To respond to the previous comment on ROTB not having opened in every market yet, well it's opened in Oceania now and that only added 3 million.

[Sabrblade]

Did people really sour on Flash this much because of Ezra Miller's antics? I saw the movie last weekend and it was a lot of fun. Great action and comedy, and a multiverse story done as well as the last Spider-Man.

Maybe it's super hero fatigue?

If it was a Marvel movie, sure. But DC has had far fewer features than the MCU, especially with Flash. He had only been in Justice League, AFAIK.

He appeared in Batman v. Superman, too.

And had a cameo in The CW's "Crisis on Infinite Earth" 5-part Arrowverse crossover.

[Sabrblade]

To respond to the previous comment on ROTB not having opened in every market yet, well it's opened in Oceania now and that only added 3 million.

It also still has yet to open in Japan, which I'm also wary of how well that release will do, since it's been confirmed that that the Japanese dub director for this movie is none other than Yoshikazu Iwanami, the same man who directed the voice acting and script localization for the Japanese gag dubs that were Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Animated, Prime, and Cyberverse.

Prepare for every dramatic moment in this movie to be undercut by fourth wall jokes, many more pop culture references, severe personality changes, and oodles of gag humor.

Nightbird's being voiced by Blackarachnia's Japanese voice actor. Expect her to be one of the silliest characters in the dub.

[griftimus prime]

man this is old

[Burn]

To respond to the previous comment on ROTB not having opened in every market yet, well it's opened in Oceania now and that only added 3 million.

Most of the fans would have hit the preview screenings two weeks ago. It was also the first weekend of school holidays in some States so people may have been travelling.

Plus you know ... every other movie out there at the moment.