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You should read the definition of that word. If anyone is racist, it's the movie's director and writer(s). He himself said in the newsed article itself that the movie's for his minority "homies" back in Brooklyn where he's from. Assuming I'm a racist just for pointing that out is very ignorant and could be racist as well.Stormshot_Prime wrote:Holy racism Batman!Rodimus Prime wrote::lol:![]()
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I knew it! I'm glad my instincts about this movie were right. Now I don't have to waste any more time being even mildly curious. After all, it's for "the homies."
Did you even read the news article? I think we're talking about 2 different things.People in these comments just seething over “oH iTs wOkE” because it’s going to (probably briefly) deal with culture outside of America.
Not at all. But there should have been less of it.Was it woke in the Bumblebee movie how it explores 80s American culture by showing us Hailey Steinfeld’s character’s life?
But it isn't. It's the same old human-centric garbage, except this time the main human is black. Whoop-dee-fvcking-doo. And the fact the director is beating his chest over that aspect is why I'm irked. He should have been focused on the Transformers characters, since, you know, it's a Transformers movie!Yeah yeah we all want a “100% on Cybertron zero humans plot” but it’s not the end of the world, more and different media will always be coming.
If you think human characters should be a priority over Transformers, then you should be ashamed.Man, some of these comments make me ashamed to be a Tf fan.
DeathReviews wrote:I can't speak for other people, but I would have the same angry reaction if the director claimed that the movie was made to "celebrate French people and Christian values".
For instance - in any of the previous TF movies, did the marketers ever say anything like that? Why then, do they feel the need to do so now? Why not simply allow admiration of a culture to happen organically on its own? Criticism of movies and stories is expected - there are entire industries built around being critical and skeptical of movies, their stories, and the motivations behind their being written and produced. What is it about skepticism/criticism of this one which causes some to say it's 'horrifying'...?
Rodimus Prime wrote:But it isn't. It's the same old human-centric garbage, except this time the main human is black.Yeah yeah we all want a “100% on Cybertron zero humans plot” but it’s not the end of the world, more and different media will always be coming.
-Kanrabat- wrote:william-james88 wrote:It's fine if those two films don't fit within your definition, but they did for others. People even coined the term "Woke-anda". And they had lots of articles like the one I newsed. That's why I mentioned them, they seem like a good comparison to what we see here. If you don't have an issue with those films, then I think you won't mind this next Transformers either. From everything I see, this film won't be a pure "woke" film. It will be a live action TF film though, with Bay involved in some aspect, which comes with everything people may or may not like about those. But that's another discussion.
I dont believe one bit that ROTB will be "woke". At all. What I take issue with is that the marketing is telling me that my all-dressed pizza was made to "celebrate" green peppers. I can only sigh at this.
DeathReviews wrote:I can't speak for other people, but I would have the same angry reaction if the director claimed that the movie was made to "celebrate French people and Christian values".
For instance - in any of the previous TF movies, did the marketers ever say anything like that? Why then, do they feel the need to do so now? Why not simply allow admiration of a culture to happen organically on its own? Criticism of movies and stories is expected - there are entire industries built around being critical and skeptical of movies, their stories, and the motivations behind their being written and produced. What is it about skepticism/criticism of this one which causes some to say it's 'horrifying'...?
SpaceEagle wrote:As a Mexican it is pretty neat seeing some representation in Transformers. While I'll probably keep focus on the big robots smashing things up, it's still neat.
Edit: Considering one of the replies above me, it seems like a good idea to ignore this thread for the most part. I'm just happy people of my race get some representation and I know my black friends are happy their race will get some focus too.![]()
Can't wait to see the film.
Rtron wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:As a Mexican it is pretty neat seeing some representation in Transformers. While I'll probably keep focus on the big robots smashing things up, it's still neat.
Edit: Considering one of the replies above me, it seems like a good idea to ignore this thread for the most part. I'm just happy people of my race get some representation and I know my black friends are happy their race will get some focus too.![]()
Can't wait to see the film.
Didn't they also film in Perú? Perú somehow has a HUGE Transformers community.
Would it bother you if they end up mishmashing Incans, Mayans and Aztecs like they always do? It's a huge pet peevee of mine.
william-james88 wrote:Loving the discussion by the way. We are all rather civil, and being all on this site, we approach it at least with the ultimate hope for a film we'd like added to the pantheon of great Transformers entertainment (whether it be this one or the next, or another film some day).
I have another article in mind since there has been some insider info coming from the special effects team. However, it is not good. Hasbro/Paramount switched their current films (this one and the upcoming Dungeons and Dragons) from using ILM to MPC for visual effects and people from MPC are saying that they are currently undergoing crunch time when they know they won't be able to provide the same level of effects as ILM. We already see it in the trailer with odd clipping that we never had before in any transformers film (even their early trailers).
Now I consider this pretty big news, it's are insider info. But it also comes across as a hit piece on the film and I don't know if it's worth writing something that only leads to more "sky is falling" from fans.
So you'll let me know, should I news that or not.
Cheesinator wrote:What's really bizarre about all this is that Bumblebee already set the precedent for this in a major way. Hailee Steinfeld's character was a huge focus (both in marketing and the movie itself), with the film going into her family, history, personality and trauma. People like you didn't seem to mind when it was a white girl, but apparently trying to do the same with nonwhite people is completely enraging?
TulioDude wrote:Though this interview does seen to forget guys like Tyrese Gibson and Amaury Nolasco.
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I knew it! I'm glad my instincts about this movie were right. Now I don't have to waste any more time being even mildly curious. After all, it's for "the homies."
DeathReviews wrote:For instance - in any of the previous TF movies, did the marketers ever say anything like that?
Michael bay wrote:The prep for the movie is going well. The military looks like it is going to support the film which is a big deal in giving the movie scope and credibility. The Pentagon has always been great with me because I make our military look good.
Michael bay wrote:I just want to say, people were not fortunate enough to read the script, and they don’t know that Churchill in this movie is a big hero. And Churchill would be smiling about Last Knight. They haven’t seen the movie, they don’t know the ending, and they don’t know how Churchill is a hero in this movie. So, as the staff said, ‘He’d be smiling right now.'When you see the movie, you’ll understand. I for one, probably more than any director in the world, have shot more veterans and more active military men and women in my movies. I would do nothing to disrespect veterans.
Travis Knight wrote:Hailee is extraordinary! When I first sat down with the producers and told them my vision for the film there was only one name of an actor that left my lips and that was Hailee Steinfeld. I knew that if we were going to have this extraordinary girl at the centre of the film then it could only be Hailee – she is the only person I could think of that could bring that character to life in a meaningful way. She’s incredibly gifted, is fearless, she can break your heart and lift your spirits. It was a real thrill to collaborate with her to bring this character to life.
"Neckbeardy?" Seriously? You pass judgment on me because I have a different opinion on the subject than you do even after I gave reasons for it? We don't have to agree but you assuming the worst right off the bat says something about your thought process rather than mine. At the least it makes you a hypocrite.Weirdly, this is the least neckbeardy take on this (from your side) that I've seen in this thread so far.Rodimus Prime wrote:But it isn't. It's the same old human-centric garbage, except this time the main human is black.Yeah yeah we all want a “100% on Cybertron zero humans plot” but it’s not the end of the world, more and different media will always be coming.
I have. Ever since Armada. The only exception was the Prime show, because it was well written and made the 3 kids a natural part of the story while limiting background characters and focusing on the Transformers. I gave a pass to the 1st Bay film because I understood that to appeal to general audiences it couldn't be *only* Transformers.It's fine to already be pissed at the movie because it will have any human focus at all (assuming of course you have equal vitriol for most of other Transformers movies/shows which also heavily feature humans).
Agreed. If they're TF fans, they should be upset there are main character humans, period.What's little more unsettling is the people who were fine with the previous stuff but are now enraged purely because the humans involved are not white.
I 2nd that. At the very least, they could have given us the Combaticons if the military *had* to be involved. Instead we got Dumbasstator and his balls.-Kanrabat- wrote:I' agree with will that the US Army glorification in the first Bay trilogy was indeed a heavy political message.
Including the Combaticons would have fixed some of that.And if I remember, most of us found it cringe. Especially when the human army could mow down Decepticons without much effort.
SpaceEagle wrote:As a Mexican it is pretty neat seeing some representation in Transformers. While I'll probably keep focus on the big robots smashing things up, it's still neat.
Edit: Considering one of the replies above me, it seems like a good idea to ignore this thread for the most part. I'm just happy people of my race get some representation and I know my black friends are happy their race will get some focus too.![]()
Can't wait to see the film.
Battletrap fires a barrage of blasts at Noah and Elena to secure the Transwarp Key.
Probably. But I'm thinking in terms of TF/human ratio on screen. If some of the TFs were military vehicles, it might have scratched Bay's itch a little, and he wouldn't have gone over the top on the military on the human side. Plus, it might have been a better outcome to have Bruticus than Devastator. Only my speculation (and wishful thinking) of course.ZeroWolf wrote:You do realise he would have had the humans still kill the combaticons just to say the US military is better?
Rodimus Prime wrote:"Neckbeardy?" Seriously? You pass judgment on me because I have a different opinion on the subject than you do even after I gave reasons for it? We don't have to agree but you assuming the worst right off the bat says something about your thought process rather than mine. At the least it makes you a hypocrite.Weirdly, this is the least neckbeardy take on this (from your side) that I've seen in this thread so far.Rodimus Prime wrote:But it isn't. It's the same old human-centric garbage, except this time the main human is black.Yeah yeah we all want a “100% on Cybertron zero humans plot” but it’s not the end of the world, more and different media will always be coming.
william-james88 wrote:Battletrap fires a barrage of blasts at Noah and Elena to secure the Transwarp Key.
Now will that be the main McGuffin? What does the Transwarp key open? We don't know, but this gives you an idea of what the film entails since the teaser trailer gave us nothing plot related, which is typical of teasers.
Accepted. And to be honest, maybe I could have worded my initial posts differently. I see how my posts might be misconstrued as detrimental to the cultural aspect of the main character. That's not the case at all.Cheesinator wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:"Neckbeardy?" Seriously? You pass judgment on me because I have a different opinion on the subject than you do even after I gave reasons for it? We don't have to agree but you assuming the worst right off the bat says something about your thought process rather than mine. At the least it makes you a hypocrite.Weirdly, this is the least neckbeardy take on this (from your side) that I've seen in this thread so far.Rodimus Prime wrote:But it isn't. It's the same old human-centric garbage, except this time the main human is black.Yeah yeah we all want a “100% on Cybertron zero humans plot” but it’s not the end of the world, more and different media will always be coming.
That's fair. I didn't mean to infer at any point that I'm not neckbeardy myself (I am afterall an adult arguing on a Transformers forum about whether anyone is allowed to be happy about ethnic representation in a scifi flick), but I apologise for causing offense.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:Cheesinator wrote:TulioDude wrote:I think you guys are giving too much weight to this interview.
The impression I got from this, is how they are proud of their work, and how someone who came from their paths of life can now contribute and be part of Transformers.
Though this interview does seen to forget guys like Tyrese Gibson and Amaury Nolasco.
Agreed. But it's the fact that people are reacting with such disgust to even the possibility of nonwhite culture having a focus that is troubling.
It’s downright horrifying. All because the latest political buzzword has come to be used as a “safe” avenue to express general bigotry. A franchise about change on a fundamental level seems to have a lot of people mad that things dare change. ALL OF THIS for a movie that, overall, will probably be relatively generic (not to discredit my excitement, just a realistic expectation).
I can't speak for other people, but I would have the same angry reaction if the director claimed that the movie was made to "celebrate French people and Christian values".
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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