Thank you. My point precisely.First Aid wrote:If the overarching theme in the movie is black and Latino culture and NOT Transformers, then it is a failure.
Thank you. My point precisely.First Aid wrote:If the overarching theme in the movie is black and Latino culture and NOT Transformers, then it is a failure.
First-Aid wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I can't speak for other people, but I would have the same angry reaction if the director claimed that the movie was made to "celebrate French people and Christian values".
This. SO MUCH this.
We all WANT a Transformers movie like the cartoons, focusing on the Transformers themselves. It's our dream. This shouldn't "celebrate" ANY racial, religious, or sexual aspects, it should celebrate TRANSFORMERS.
So, in other words, you want a movie version of Cyberverse.-Kanrabat- wrote:If I want to see a movie about humans celebrating human culture, ANY culture of ANY "color", there's countless movies out there. But here we are promised a movie about EXTRATERESTRIAL ROBOTS and what do we know about their culture and their traditions? NOTHING. Nada. Transformers are supposed to be a species of sentient beings millions of years old. Yet all we see are empty shells that fight each others for no reasons.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Not necessarily. Though the concept of Transwarp technology was originally introduced in Beast Wars as involving time travel, later fiction of more recent years (beginning most prominently with Animated) has streamlined the concept to merely refer to the kind of technology used by space bridges simply for long-distance space travel.First-Aid wrote:Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:So, in other words, you want a movie version of Cyberverse.-Kanrabat- wrote:If I want to see a movie about humans celebrating human culture, ANY culture of ANY "color", there's countless movies out there. But here we are promised a movie about EXTRATERESTRIAL ROBOTS and what do we know about their culture and their traditions? NOTHING. Nada. Transformers are supposed to be a species of sentient beings millions of years old. Yet all we see are empty shells that fight each others for no reasons.
So, Cyberverse Seasons 2-4, then.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, in other words, you want a movie version of Cyberverse.-Kanrabat- wrote:If I want to see a movie about humans celebrating human culture, ANY culture of ANY "color", there's countless movies out there. But here we are promised a movie about EXTRATERESTRIAL ROBOTS and what do we know about their culture and their traditions? NOTHING. Nada. Transformers are supposed to be a species of sentient beings millions of years old. Yet all we see are empty shells that fight each others for no reasons.
More budget, better animation, skip going to Earth, and trim out the usual fillers?
YES PLEASE!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
So how was them traveling to prehistoric Earth explained away? Isn't Transwarp capable of time-travel as well? I don't remember details from Animated and I haven't read up on convention exclusive material.Sabrblade wrote:Not necessarily. Though the concept of Transwarp technology was originally introduced in Beast Wars as involving time travel, later fiction of more recent years (beginning most prominently with Animated) has streamlined the concept to merely refer to the kind of technology used by space bridges simply for long-distance space travel.First-Aid wrote:Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle.
Emphasis mine.Rodimus Prime wrote:So how was them traveling to prehistoric Earth explained away? Isn't Transwarp capable of time-travel as well? I don't remember details from Animated and I haven't read up on convention exclusive material.Sabrblade wrote:Not necessarily. Though the concept of Transwarp technology was originally introduced in Beast Wars as involving time travel, later fiction of more recent years (beginning most prominently with Animated) has streamlined the concept to merely refer to the kind of technology used by space bridges simply for long-distance space travel.First-Aid wrote:Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:So, Cyberverse Seasons 2-4, then.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, in other words, you want a movie version of Cyberverse.-Kanrabat- wrote:If I want to see a movie about humans celebrating human culture, ANY culture of ANY "color", there's countless movies out there. But here we are promised a movie about EXTRATERESTRIAL ROBOTS and what do we know about their culture and their traditions? NOTHING. Nada. Transformers are supposed to be a species of sentient beings millions of years old. Yet all we see are empty shells that fight each others for no reasons.
More budget, better animation, skip going to Earth, and trim out the usual fillers?
YES PLEASE!
Cheetron wrote:I'm just waiting for the day when we have a transformer movie. No humans. Just giant robots.
First-Aid wrote:This. SO MUCH this.
We all WANT a Transformers movie like the cartoons, focusing on the Transformers themselves. It's our dream. This shouldn't "celebrate" ANY racial, religious, or sexual aspects, it should celebrate TRANSFORMERS.
There is nothing wrong with celebrating those things, just doing it to the exclusion of a story or the main reason for the movie/tV series. Hopefully they will learn from the recent issues with Doctor Who. Doctors 9, 10/11, 12, and 13 were off the chart popular because of great writing. There are ALWAYS lessons in Doctor Who, but good writing disguises them in creative storylines and characters. When Jodie Whitaker came onboard, a new writer took over and, frankly, it was a lesson everytime but they no longer tried hiding it...or they tried to and just were horrible at it. The result? Doctor Who ratings globally are down dramatically, with Oprah re-runs outscoring them in some cases. The BLATANTNESS was the turn-off. It boiled down to horrible writing, making the "woke" lesson the story as opposed to disguising it in a fun or intense storyline. It was just, "Here you go. Sorry it's not entertaining in even the least bit." I loved the show, as did my wife- who actually got me into Doctor Who (I'm a sassy Nine fan, she's a Colin Baker person). We watched the first three with Jodie and she turned it off in disgust. Her opinion- it was just stupid and borderline offensive to old fans.
It's not the WHAT that matters. It's the HOW. If the overarching theme in the movie is black and Latino culture and NOT Transformers, then that is failure.
And I guess that means that the 1986 movie was never a Transformers movie either. Turns out the only Transformers movie to ever see release in theaters was the Japanese Beast Wars Second movie.Rysquad wrote:Cheetron wrote:I'm just waiting for the day when we have a transformer movie. No humans. Just giant robots.
Kinda makes the whole "robots in disguise" thing moot though.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:And I guess that means that the 1986 movie was never a Transformers movie either. Turns out the only Transformers movie to ever see release in theaters was the Japanese Beast Wars Second movie.Rysquad wrote:Cheetron wrote:I'm just waiting for the day when we have a transformer movie. No humans. Just giant robots.
Kinda makes the whole "robots in disguise" thing moot though.
I get that BW started the time travel concept. But you said that later TFA and other material streamlined it to be space-travel only. I was just wondering how that was done.Sabrblade wrote:Emphasis mine.Rodimus Prime wrote:So how was them traveling to prehistoric Earth explained away? Isn't Transwarp capable of time-travel as well? I don't remember details from Animated and I haven't read up on convention exclusive material.Sabrblade wrote:Not necessarily. Though the concept of Transwarp technology was originally introduced in Beast Wars as involving time travel, later fiction of more recent years (beginning most prominently with Animated) has streamlined the concept to merely refer to the kind of technology used by space bridges simply for long-distance space travel.First-Aid wrote:Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle.
I meant they streamlined it in general for later fiction to use as space bridge tech. They didn't retroactively change how it worked back in Beast Wars.Rodimus Prime wrote:I get that BW started the time travel concept. But you said that later TFA and other material streamlined it to be space-travel only. I was just wondering how that was done.Sabrblade wrote:Emphasis mine.Rodimus Prime wrote:So how was them traveling to prehistoric Earth explained away? Isn't Transwarp capable of time-travel as well? I don't remember details from Animated and I haven't read up on convention exclusive material.Sabrblade wrote:Not necessarily. Though the concept of Transwarp technology was originally introduced in Beast Wars as involving time travel, later fiction of more recent years (beginning most prominently with Animated) has streamlined the concept to merely refer to the kind of technology used by space bridges simply for long-distance space travel.First-Aid wrote:Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:Cheesinator wrote:What's really bizarre about all this is that Bumblebee already set the precedent for this in a major way. Hailee Steinfeld's character was a huge focus (both in marketing and the movie itself), with the film going into her family, history, personality and trauma. People like you didn't seem to mind when it was a white girl, but apparently trying to do the same with nonwhite people is completely enraging?
Just to add to the diversity in Bumblebee, Hailee Stenifeld isn't white. She's a mix of lots of cultures, including African American and Filipino. The main All American white guy was John Cena, who was the "bad guy" for a big part of the film and who learns that not all giant robots are bad.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Randomhero wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Because that's getting its own spin off movie as a prequel. Hopefully showing shockwave's leadership of the cons in megs absence.
Will this be an actual thing?
And without any woke poison?
woke poison…wow. Sometimes you can just smell fans in their posts
Well, name a single "woke" movie with heavy "woke" marketing that got tremendous success and brought sales records. I'll wait.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Seibertron wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Randomhero wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Because that's getting its own spin off movie as a prequel. Hopefully showing shockwave's leadership of the cons in megs absence.
Will this be an actual thing?
And without any woke poison?
woke poison…wow. Sometimes you can just smell fans in their posts
Well, name a single "woke" movie with heavy "woke" marketing that got tremendous success and brought sales records. I'll wait.
That's enough. Those of you here that regularly toss around "woke" have really got some problems. If you feel that way, I assure you that you're on the wrong Transformers fansite. I support the majority of ideas that you consider to be "woke". I'm liberal. My business supports liberal ideas. I'm tired of providing a platform for those of you who are hung up on things that you consider to be "woke". Those of you using that term here as well as attacking anything and everything that's not part of your world or that you consider to be "woke" are nearing the end of your time here.
If you want to stay here on our forums, the "woke" comments need to end now and forever. I'm letting you know I'm tired of reading those comments here on Seibertron.com. Those comments are not welcome here. THOSE COMMENTS DO NOT BELONG HERE.
noctorro wrote:Gary Stue (yes there is the male variant of that, but less used).
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