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Just Negare wrote:With that said, I'd rather they focused on the important things, like plot and dialogue and not pooping on all the Transformers mythos

They did focus on that in the first and third movies.

instead of where they shove doorwings.

They don't give half a damn where the kibble is, really.

Hey Just Negare, you forgot the problem of having minimal screen time and dialogue for the actual Transformers... like poor Jazz and Wheeljack, who spoke maybe two lines.

(Bumblebee getting no dialogue in lieu of R2-D2-rip-off beeps didn't help.)

But I digress.

Giant codpiece = Bumblebee has official entered adolescence. Expect some pimples and voice cracking in this fourth movie.

gothsaurus wrote:Hey Just Negare, you forgot the problem of having minimal screen time and dialogue for the actual Transformers... like poor Jazz and Wheeljack, who spoke maybe two lines.

Because Transformers are a plot device in the live action films rather than the central focus. You're lucky any of them spoke at all, really.

(Bumblebee getting no dialogue in lieu of R2-D2-rip-off beeps didn't help.)

R2-D2 beeps were in Prime (which are actually quite a pain in the ass to produce). Bee spoke using a radio in the films.

Both of which is dialogue regardless.

Giant codpiece = Bumblebee has official entered adolescence. Expect some pimples and voice cracking in this fourth movie.

Bumblebee's getting younger!

you think noises = dialogue??? I guess we'll agree to disagree there.

Thanks for the correction on the beeps. You're right, the movie was more of a buzzy noise. Reminded me of the teachers from the old Charlie Brown specials.

gothsaurus wrote:you think noises = dialogue??? I guess we'll agree to disagree there.

Perhaps, but when he's using actual words (the movies) or his lines are recorded by Frank Welker in the studio and other characters and the audience can understand him fine (Prime for 64 episodes), it pretty much counts as dialogue.

You have some valid points... but when I can't understand it, it might as well be the Swedish Chef... or Beaker... or the Teletubbies.

My point is it's difficult to get across CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT if there are no spoken words. The robots read as background characters, which is a bummer to any fan of the franchise... and I didn't pay to see Sam Witwicky: the Movie.

I'm specifically speaking about developing the robots as characters in the movie, not who is getting paid, etc. I'm saying it sucks they don't get more screen time and aren't developed more as characters... and yes, I'm saying it's a bummer they don't get more right-real spoken English wordy words.

gothsaurus wrote:You have some valid points... but when I can't understand it, it might as well be the Swedish Chef... or Beaker... or the Teletubbies.

My point is it's difficult to get across CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT if there are no spoken words. The robots read as background characters, which is a bummer to any fan of the franchise... and I didn't pay to see Sam Witwicky: the Movie.

I'm specifically speaking about developing the robots as characters in the movie, not who is getting paid, etc. I'm saying it sucks they don't get more screen time and aren't developed more as characters... and yes, I'm saying it's a bummer they don't get more right-real spoken English wordy words.

I'd like for them to get more screen time as well, I just don't see it happening. The technology to allow them to do that amount of cgi at a reasonable cost just doesn't exist yet.

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Deathscythetransform wrote:I for one don't know a **** what they are trying to do to the franchise with those horrible robot modes styles, but if their goal is to kill it, they sure are doing it well

The brand has survived worse.

maybe, but the point is that a lot of people are sick and tired of bumblebee taking so much place.

and the new designs are totally ugly.

sorry I swore but damn I really dont like where they are going with this new revamping...
sure thing: hasbro/takara wont make much money with me with these toys...