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Deadput wrote:I've looked at the design a fair bit and it's just way different from the 2007 one.
Deadput wrote:Why should I care if Jazz is in the next film if ultimately he dies as an underdeveloped character in a movie that's already came out?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
william-james88 wrote:If you had to look at it a fair bit to figure that out then it kind of proves my point. If the film really wanted to distance itself, then dont turn him into a camarro.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
SillyMcGilly wrote:I think Travis Knight intended it as a reboot, but all the TF movie vets involved were like "oh no no no! Not our baby!" So Travis had to be more sneaky or something. Plus a full reboot so soon after TLK was probably too risky according to Paramount.
Anyway, prequel, reboot, I don't care. I'm just scared rn that this won't do well enough, and the franchise will be toast. Even our cartoons and new comics are just the same old rehashes of old stories and characters, and even though I wanted the movies to be G1, I want NEW CARTOONS to at LEAST give something else interesting for the brand to hobble on until hopefully a new movie franchise by all new creators (and even oversee-ers) comes about to peak curiosity after some old wounds heal.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:SillyMcGilly wrote:I think Travis Knight intended it as a reboot, but all the TF movie vets involved were like "oh no no no! Not our baby!" So Travis had to be more sneaky or something. Plus a full reboot so soon after TLK was probably too risky according to Paramount.
Anyway, prequel, reboot, I don't care. I'm just scared rn that this won't do well enough, and the franchise will be toast. Even our cartoons and new comics are just the same old rehashes of old stories and characters, and even though I wanted the movies to be G1, I want NEW CARTOONS to at LEAST give something else interesting for the brand to hobble on until hopefully a new movie franchise by all new creators (and even oversee-ers) comes about to peak curiosity after some old wounds heal.
As it appears here that while the film isn't done making money or anything it's not looking good.
http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/12/23/tran ... -in-379582
So Bumblebee loses to the lamest well known super hero. (I mean if Aquaman is a really good movie then that's fine and all, I just think Aquaman as a character is sort of lame, as in the dorkish way not that Aquaman is a bad character)
I'm sure Hasbro and Paramount will take the wrong lesson from here and find a way to screw it up even more.
15ngcs1 wrote:Now we just need to look at the total gross. Word of mouth can help a lot like it did for The Greatest Showman last year. Losing to Aquaman is obvious, just see how many movie theatres were showing Aquaman compared to showing Bumblebee. Bumblebee has better critical acclaim than Aquaman. Word of mouth can really help bring up the total gross of Bumblebee. Plus having critical acclaim is already a big win for the Transformers franchise. Sometimes you've got to look on the bright side.
15ngcs1 wrote:Sometimes you've got to look on the bright side.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
SillyMcGilly wrote:If Bumblebee does poorly, it will truly be our darkest hour in this franchise.
Burn wrote:SillyMcGilly wrote:If Bumblebee does poorly, it will truly be our darkest hour in this franchise.
You mean darker than that time in the 90's when there was NOTHING Transformers related?
Yeah, okay ...
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:I'm starting to look at this not as a reboot or prequel, but as a nice solid retcon.
ZeroWolf wrote:Also someone mentioned the humans contacting shatter and Dropkick and saying its first contact...well its hard to contact someone frozen in ice isn't itI don't see as a contradiction at all. As for why they didn't sense all spark or megs...they only found them in the first movie because Frenzy told them exactly where to look. There is a line about the dam blocking radiation afterall.
william-james88 wrote:Yeah, that sounds exactly like what it is. And I am hapy for it, because the TLK retcon was dumber than a bag of bricks.
Anyways, just so we have all the facts in this thread too, here are the 2 articles where Travis Knight confirms that the film adheres to the Bay continuity.
That later one specifically says that Megatron is on earth during the events of Bumblebee. Also, about that bit, the decepticons only figured out where Bee was due to a power surge. If Megatron is under ice and not active, then it makes sense that he would not be noticed. But I dont think anyone cared enough aout that part as long as he wasnt in the film.
And lest we forget Bumblebee is a Bay film (literally, Bay's company produced it)
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeroWolf wrote:I don't know, it seems very easy to say that s7 kept things from themI mean you always keep aces up your sleeve. Also the asethic isn't a big deal as it's a way to sell more toys
jokes aside, this movies status has already been decided. Let's just see what happens. You're also over-egging the impact the movies have as Paramount pays hasbro for the license, Bumblebee flops will hurt paramount more than hasbro. The toyline will be unaffected...if you want to worry about anything, watch the price of oil as that will cause mors disruptions.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Sabrblade wrote:Besides, the two were specifically searching for Autobot energy signatures, not those of their own kind.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Countless previous series have shown the differing factions to have their own respectively unique energy signatures. Beast Wars showed Predacon technology programmed to target Maximal energy signatures, and Beast Machines especially made use of this as the Vehicons would detect Maximal energy signatures whenever the Maximals would enter robot mode, hence Rattrap eventually creating scrambled field generators to mask their energy signatures in robot mode.Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Besides, the two were specifically searching for Autobot energy signatures, not those of their own kind.
What would the difference even be, their the same species right?
A smart person would be looking for any abnormal signals, not just one specific one.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Countless previous series have shown the differing factions to have their own respectively unique energy signatures. Beast Wars showed Predacon technology programmed to target Maximal energy signatures, and Beast Machines especially made use of this as the Vehicons would detect Maximal energy signatures whenever the Maximals would enter robot mode, hence Rattrap eventually creating scrambled field generators to mask their energy signatures in robot mode.Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Besides, the two were specifically searching for Autobot energy signatures, not those of their own kind.
What would the difference even be, their the same species right?
A smart person would be looking for any abnormal signals, not just one specific one.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I don't know, it seems very easy to say that s7 kept things from themI mean you always keep aces up your sleeve. Also the asethic isn't a big deal as it's a way to sell more toys
jokes aside, this movies status has already been decided. Let's just see what happens. You're also over-egging the impact the movies have as Paramount pays hasbro for the license, Bumblebee flops will hurt paramount more than hasbro. The toyline will be unaffected...if you want to worry about anything, watch the price of oil as that will cause mors disruptions.
I'm just really worried about Hasbro/Paramount passing up a good opportunity to start fresh, when I get worried I get panicky and that effects my posts.
Hollywood has rebooted super hero movies like Batman and Spiderman when their not doing well and it was for the better most of the time (When it wasn't they rebooted it again, not try to salvage it)
Like wouldn't it make everyone (not literally but a grand majority) happy if they started fresh?
Hell G1 didn't last as long as the Bayverse has back in the 80's so it's sort of the longest non stop running part of the brand.
ZeroWolf wrote:Depends on your view point of G1 continuity, toyline in America folded about 1989 but elsewhere kept on going till G2 launched. Even then G1 molds were regularly used in Japan (for other shows and then in BWII and Car Robots)
In terms of Fiction, things kept getting added on to G1, like BW and BM, and in the case of Japan...there was that attempt to squash everything into G1, but that went as well as you would expect.
So yeah, G1 has had a variable lifethen you could argue it never went away and has always been with us in one form or another (be it toys, reissues, non-tf mold usage, comics, cartoons, cartoon re-runs etc)
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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