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Rodimus Prime wrote:I wonder how many people will buy the new Kup and switch it with the older Kup before returning it.

Sadly, I forsee that happening quite a bit.

And Emerje, I don't get why someone reporting news would not want to provide correct info. People correct me often and I do my best to edit things so that my info is correct.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:*snip*

Sabrblade wrote:Cliffjumper's windows are solid opaque plastic instead of painted translucent plastic,

Which is a massive downgrade because it makes him look like a candy toy or Happy Meal toy. Seriously, where the actual smeg did people get this unholy fetish for downgrading to cheap opaque windows?

Sabrblade wrote:his red is brighter and so much more vibrant, his arms and legs are the correct gray and black instead of red and black, his bazooka is metallic blue, he's got an Autobrand on his chest and on the front end of his car hood...

All of which is undercut by the poopy Happy Meal toy windows.

You never had clear plastic break on you, did you?

No, I have. I very much have. But it's generally more robust on modern TFs when present in sufficient thickness and not idiotically used for ball joints or ittybitty tabs (Looking at you, Soundbarrier and SS86 Hot Rod).
And I somehow doubt this is about the durability or not of the clear plastic, considering A. Sabrblade was saying it looked better and B. All the cel-shaded window stickers Toyhax keeps slapping on Generations sheets.

primalxconvoy wrote:Perhaps some clear blue paint, over the solid light blue paint, would give a "best of both worlds" look?

Oh hardy har har har. Veeery funny.

I'm wondering if I can cobble what I like from new Cliffjumper and mix / match with old Cliffjumper to make the best of both worlds: correct colors of arms / legs with the clear windows.

On the other hand, part of me is going "you're going to buy that same mold AGAIN? AGAIN???"

Black Bumblebee wrote:I'm wondering if I can cobble what I like from new Cliffjumper and mix / match with old Cliffjumper to make the best of both worlds: correct colors of arms / legs with the clear windows.

On the other hand, part of me is going "you're going to buy that same mold AGAIN? AGAIN???"

Honestly, the Earthrise Cliffjumper mold just prints money for Hasbo at this point.

Well I'm going to get both.

I'm upset about getting another Kup though but I do like this new one so much more. Maybe I wouldn't mind so much if they looked radically different from each other. Like the difference between Titans Return Kup and Takara Legends Char. The bright colors for Kup always reminded me a bit of Turbofire...if his colors were more subdued and less garish. Bright turquoise, red and pink are not a good color scheme. Bright turquoise and grey are a fair bit better like a G1 version to the original deco's G2. PRID Kup is my current favorite stand-in for Turbofire. I always wanted to paint the lime green on him, pink.

Getting a second Cliffjumper won't bother me though. I'll just swap and repaint some heads. I have two Bugbites already so I'll get a second Hubcap (which is what I intended but forgot/didn't). Then give Bugbite Hubcap's head after painting it white, give ER CJ Bugbite's head after painting it red and give Hubcap CJ's head after painting it yellow. Maybe some Reprolabels for Bugbite. So I'll have red BB (Volks maybe? Stinger?), yellow CJ (Carrera maybe even though he's either gold, white or green and not yellow. and Rest-Q from my customizing. Or something like that.

william-james88 wrote:And Emerje, I don't get why someone reporting news would not want to provide correct info. People correct me often and I do my best to edit things so that my info is correct.

Some people are just that insecure I guess. I'm the same as you, I want my mistakes pointed out, it's the only way I can improve and be sure of accuracy.

Emerje

william-james88 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:It really is surprising that we're getting these figures now...
And is just so odd that this new Kup isn't what we initially got in SS86.
Is this Hastak's move to sell more of this mold because they weren't able to figure out a better way with something like a SG version?

Kup has the Orion Pax retool/redeco option, which looks like they will be doing anyways.
But I don't think it's about selling more of this mold per se but rather ensure that retailers have constant stock on their shelves for anyone who wants to buy Transformers. And thus is what they settled on as the low effort product.

Seems to me that making the most use of any and every mold possible is one of Hastak's top priorities.
Which isn't a complaint at all.
But I don't think keeping pegs and shelves full is the main goal of repaints and retools.
Thankfully I think Hastak is doing a pretty decent job with using molds where it works at least decently well.
And when SG Blurr, Sweep, Jackpot, this new CJ and Kup, a Junkion, etc. (hopefully a magenta Hot Rod), help make new molds like SS86 Sludge possible, I appreciate those repaints that much more.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Black Bumblebee wrote:I'm wondering if I can cobble what I like from new Cliffjumper and mix / match with old Cliffjumper to make the best of both worlds: correct colors of arms / legs with the clear windows.

On the other hand, part of me is going "you're going to buy that same mold AGAIN? AGAIN???"

Honestly, the Earthrise Cliffjumper mold just prints money for Hasbo at this point.

Seriously, in my case I'm not buying it again, again, again, again, again. Throw in another again if you count Netflix Bee. Crazier than the seekers because of the 7 uses, 5 cover versions of just 2 characters.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Black Bumblebee wrote:I'm wondering if I can cobble what I like from new Cliffjumper and mix / match with old Cliffjumper to make the best of both worlds: correct colors of arms / legs with the clear windows.

On the other hand, part of me is going "you're going to buy that same mold AGAIN? AGAIN???"

Honestly, the Earthrise Cliffjumper mold just prints money for Hasbo at this point.

Seriously, in my case I'm not buying it again, again, again, again, again. Throw in another again if you count Netflix Bee. Crazier than the seekers because of the 7 uses, 5 cover versions of just 2 characters.

I do hope we get another shot at Netflix VW Bumblebee, though. I'd be willing to double dip if they brightened up the shade of yellow used and maybe swapped out Cliffjumper's bazooka for some more accessories/props from the cartoon.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Black Bumblebee wrote:I'm wondering if I can cobble what I like from new Cliffjumper and mix / match with old Cliffjumper to make the best of both worlds: correct colors of arms / legs with the clear windows.

On the other hand, part of me is going "you're going to buy that same mold AGAIN? AGAIN???"

Honestly, the Earthrise Cliffjumper mold just prints money for Hasbo at this point.

Seriously, in my case I'm not buying it again, again, again, again, again. Throw in another again if you count Netflix Bee. Crazier than the seekers because of the 7 uses, 5 cover versions of just 2 characters.

I do hope we get another shot at Netflix VW Bumblebee, though. I'd be willing to double dip if they brightened up the shade of yellow used and maybe swapped out Cliffjumper's bazooka for some more accessories/props from the cartoon.

If we're just making up our dream bumblebee, then I also want it to have the headsculpt they gave the Origin toy. Way nicer and more G1 accurate.

So basically what I said about Cliff yesterday is the consensus: Yes, he's more accurate, but the old one looks better.

sol magnus wrote:So basically what I said about Cliff yesterday is the consensus: Yes, he's more accurate, but the old one looks better.

I'm more on the "Yes, he's more accurate, AND he looks better" side of things with BB Cliffjumper.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

sol magnus wrote:So basically what I said about Cliff yesterday is the consensus: Yes, he's more accurate, but the old one looks better.

I'm more on the "Yes, he's more accurate, AND he looks better" side of things with BB Cliffjumper.

Truth be told, I'm probably going to buy it anyway, because I have issues.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wonder how many people will buy the new Kup and switch it with the older Kup before returning it.

Sadly, I forsee that happening quite a bit.

The bellends who do that deserve getting their collections stolen.

I do however look forward to the ones who are more honest selling their older Kups on. Because buying an SS86 Kup would beat paying Voyager price (after shipping) to get a rounded-arms kit for TR Kup off Shapeways (and that seems to be the only such kit for him out there).

Wolfman Jake wrote:

sol magnus wrote:So basically what I said about Cliff yesterday is the consensus: Yes, he's more accurate, but the old one looks better.

I'm more on the "Yes, he's more accurate, AND he looks better" side of things with BB Cliffjumper.

Afraid I can't agree with the second part. I REALLY don't get what people see in toony-looking opaque cel-shaded/flat light blue windows, why they've started glamorizing them especially on stuff like G1 Earth mode figures. To me, it makes the toys look like cheap model kits or Happy Meal toys.

I like both but I can't help but think Kup would've been better if they included its Targetmaster and Cliffjumper came with its Glass-Gas gun from the accessory set, painted of course.

Sowndwave76 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:It really is surprising that we're getting these figures now...
And is just so odd that this new Kup isn't what we initially got in SS86.
Is this Hastak's move to sell more of this mold because they weren't able to figure out a better way with something like a SG version?

Kup has the Orion Pax retool/redeco option, which looks like they will be doing anyways.
But I don't think it's about selling more of this mold per se but rather ensure that retailers have constant stock on their shelves for anyone who wants to buy Transformers. And thus is what they settled on as the low effort product.

Seems to me that making the most use of any and every mold possible is one of Hastak's top priorities.
Which isn't a complaint at all.
But I don't think keeping pegs and shelves full is the main goal of repaints and retools.
Thankfully I think Hastak is doing a pretty decent job with using molds where it works at least decently well.
And when SG Blurr, Sweep, Jackpot, this new CJ and Kup, a Junkion, etc. (hopefully a magenta Hot Rod), help make new molds like SS86 Sludge possible, I appreciate those repaints that much more.

Giving Target more product for their shelves is the whole point of this Buzzworthy line.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

sol magnus wrote:So basically what I said about Cliff yesterday is the consensus: Yes, he's more accurate, but the old one looks better.

I'm more on the "Yes, he's more accurate, AND he looks better" side of things with BB Cliffjumper.

Afraid I can't agree with the second part. I REALLY don't get what people see in toony-looking opaque cel-shaded/flat light blue windows, why they've started glamorizing them especially on stuff like G1 Earth mode figures. To me, it makes the toys look like cheap model kits or Happy Meal toys.

Believe me, I don't think the painted windows are ideal at all. The Cliffjumper on the back of his package is my ideal, but that's not what's really available, unfortunately. The upgrades to Cliffjumper, though, including the brighter red paint, Autobot symbols, correctly colored limbs, and even the metallic blue painted bazooka, altogether outweigh the issue with the windows, especially in robot mode. There's a balance between character model accuracy and realistic detail that I enjoy in my figures, and BB Cliffjumper doesn't quite fit that perfectly for me, but it comes much closer than the Earthrise release.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

sol magnus wrote:So basically what I said about Cliff yesterday is the consensus: Yes, he's more accurate, but the old one looks better.

I'm more on the "Yes, he's more accurate, AND he looks better" side of things with BB Cliffjumper.

Afraid I can't agree with the second part. I REALLY don't get what people see in toony-looking opaque cel-shaded/flat light blue windows, why they've started glamorizing them especially on stuff like G1 Earth mode figures. To me, it makes the toys look like cheap model kits or Happy Meal toys.

Believe me, I don't think the painted windows are ideal at all. The Cliffjumper on the back of his package is my ideal, but that's not what's really available, unfortunately. The upgrades to Cliffjumper, though, including the brighter red paint, Autobot symbols, correctly colored limbs, and even the metallic blue painted bazooka, altogether outweigh the issue with the windows, especially in robot mode. There's a balance between character model accuracy and realistic detail that I enjoy in my figures, and BB Cliffjumper doesn't quite fit that perfectly for me, but it comes much closer than the Earthrise release.

Ah, well, see, for me the issue with the windows completely outweighs the good done by the other things. The original version's darker red and black limbs don't look nearly as bad to me as those hideous windows.
But there's more to it: not only do the windows massively offset the positive changes in looks by making him look like a bootleg or Happy Meal toy (especially in vehicle mode, where the limbs being more accurately colored is absolutely meaningless; the reduced detail paint doesn't help)... they're something that can't be readily fixed.
With Earthrise Cliffjumper, I could paint the limbs and weapons and whatnot, and change the red to a brighter shade if I were so inclined (although I'd have to see some comparisons with a G1 CJ toy to evaluate there). It'd be work, but it would be doable.
But paint can't magically turn opaque red plastic transparent. Which makes the windows not only a massive downgrade in looks, but a hard-to-fix massive downgrade in looks.

TLDR, for me this new CJ trades relatively-minor (and relatively easy to amend) cosmetic problems... for a major cosmetic problem that's hard to amend.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:TLDR, for me this new CJ trades relatively-minor (and relatively easy to amend) cosmetic problems... for a major cosmetic problem that's hard to amend.

I'd just customise my ER Cliffy by painting the parts in the "correct" colors. As for the windows, I'd paint the BACK of the window in silver to make them brighter like they did for many of the Sideswipe/Sunstreaker molds. Finally, a repros on the chest.

I'd do the same with SS86 Kup.

Money saved and some fun projects to do.

william-james88 wrote:Giving Target more product for their shelves is the whole point of this Buzzworthy line.

Even if Hastak released a statement with this claim,
I believe that Hastak's profits are the whole point.

Sure, more product on the shelves/pegs helps Target because there are plenty of consumers that view "more" equaling "better". Which also most likely means this is considered a sound business practice for b&m retailers.
But if this line didn't exist, that aisle space would be filled with something, even if it wasn't TF-related.
Not trying to split hairs, but your wording almost makes it sound like you think this is either some sort of sacrifice, hand-out, or favor on the part of Hastak,
or that this deal is more beneficial for Target.
Now, I don't know this line all that well, but the number of retools/repaints has to be exponentially more than new mold releases. In fact, other than Core class Bee w/ Spike, and Origins Bee, I can't even think of any new molds in Buzzworthy.
Meaning, I wouldn't even call this a mutually beneficial deal. That's not me suggesting Target is getting screwed. Or that Hastak is corporate evil.
But let's call a spade a spade.
You've even said it yourself-- that basically, this line is such a weird combination of releases...
To the point where these new SS86 releases are literally confusing.
Why such an odd mish-mash of releases? Because Hastak is using this line to sell a whole lot of repaints/retools.
All due respect, we can agree to disagree... I just think it's pretty myopic to think the whole point of this line is "giving Target more product for their shelves".

Hasbro sells Transformers to stores. Stores resell to us. Hasbro doesn’t directly sell us Transformers per se. Keeping Target stocked with Transformers directly increases Hasbro’s sales and makes them money. So, yes, Hasbro is in it for money, and the Buzzworthy Bumblebee line keeps that cash flowing. It really simple. You’re comparing two different things. One is the means to the other.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Why such an odd mish-mash of releases? Because Hastak is using this line to sell a whole lot of repaints/retools.

That's why I LOVE this line and many others do. Not only do we get nice repaints, but we often get a second chance to buy toys that we initially missed out. So it's all win.

Also, because this line is so weird and don't follow any rules, we can have reissues and repaints of much older toys like RiD, Animated, Prime, UT, classic Generations, and much more. Just imagine a re-release of Voyager Animated Blackout in Buzzworthy with an unique color scheme...

I'm not a big enough fan of Kup to rebuy him, though he does look a tad better, maybe they should have done this the first go round! As for Cliffjumper I wouldn't mind if ER had the lighter shade of red as well as the grey arms and legs, those windows are too hideous to even consider buying it. IMO So I'll stick with ER version.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Hasbro sells Transformers to stores. Stores resell to us. Hasbro doesn’t directly sell us Transformers per se. Keeping Target stocked with Transformers directly increases Hasbro’s sales and makes them money. So, yes, Hasbro is in it for money, and the Buzzworthy Bumblebee line keeps that cash flowing. It really simple. You’re comparing two different things. One is the means to the other.

My point is the bottom line.
Which is Hastak making money.
Sure, the steps of this process can be discussed and examined.
My posts have been in response to something pretty specific, so I wouldn't say that was me comparing anything. I was explaining my stance.

And I don't have any issues at all with the Buzzworthy line.
I'm not buying much from it, but I'm more than okay with that.
Same goes for Cyberverse, only I'm not buying any of those figures.

I'm not getting these re-releases, but I'm glad someone who missed them the first time around has another chance to.