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It's rumored on wikipedia they'll release Ironhide, Prowl, Jazz, Silverstreak, Smokescreen too. They might release a Ratchet repaint too.

Ramrider wrote:

darknightdown wrote:Hello new guy here

Does anyone know if these are going to be available in the U.K, as the old universe line was never released over here at mass retail.

AVAST THERE! Local off the starboard bow! Welcome ye t' the good ship Seibertron (or the Jolly Ryan, as we ought t' be callin' her!). Ye be mindful of those nuts, y'hear? Me bosun was skiddin' all over the deck...

Auto Bot wrote:Hasbro has to go back to Classics.

Has to? I believe ye be preachin' t' Hasbro's poncey male-voice choir, since they be goin' back to th' Classics, an' all...

I can't preach, for i am not a preacher.

Let's face it. G1 stuff is an undying money-maker for Hasbro. Be it reissue or a remodel (spelled as "Classics").

Windsweeper wrote:Since they are more than likely going to be Deluxes, I won't be touching the Lambo Bros.

Just hate the lack of scale between Hot Rod and Starscream in the earlier line. If they'd only repainted Cybertron Clocker/Swerve as Hot Rod, I'd be well pleased. I mean, Classics had 2 Primes and Megatrons anyway.

That said, I'd love a nice Voyager Octane. Looking forward to Galvatron too.

Classics need basics even if they are repaints.

Clocker for Hot Rod

Shortround for Seaspray

E Strongarm for Roadbuster

Cybertron Swindle for Ruckus

Overhaul for Crankcase

And while I'm at it, Titanium WW Starscream for G1 Windsweeper

Please don't encourage Hasbro to reapaint old moulds instead of making new ones. And if Swindle gets reapainted as anyone, it's Beachcomber, savvy?

Sledge wrote:Rumble/Frenzy (RIBFIR)

Not likely to happen now. Hasbro's sticking to RIRFIB, if the Alt Rumble is any indication. Probably more of a coincidence, but movie Frenzy even has blue eyes. For some reason I was under the impression that there was another recent toy source pointing to this preference by Hasbro, but I'm not sure what. It's not Ramble, seeing as the name went to a red, blue AND yellow one.

Alternators Rumble is red, if that's what you were thinking of. But that doesn't mean I have to call him Rumble.

Too many repaints from old molds that were made before can be a bad thing by encouraging Hasbro on doing so. I'm not into other kinds repaints. Other than these like Ironhide ,and Ratchet for instance are bascially the same mold but repainted. The only difference Ironhide has a mowhawk, where Ratchet has some kind of a black like browl or crown design on his forehead. Also Prowl, Silverstreak, and Smokescreen are the same molds too but repainted as well. Also Sideswipe and RedAlert. But not SunStreaker. Also Grapple and Inferno. Along with Trailbreaker and Hoist. Battlechargers Runnamuck and Runnabout. The same goes for the Decepticon seekers. I'm tolerant over this cause I'm used to it. I'd rather see them make more different molds of other g1 characters as well.

Sledge wrote:

Windsweeper wrote:Since they are more than likely going to be Deluxes, I won't be touching the Lambo Bros.

Just hate the lack of scale between Hot Rod and Starscream in the earlier line. If they'd only repainted Cybertron Clocker/Swerve as Hot Rod, I'd be well pleased. I mean, Classics had 2 Primes and Megatrons anyway.

That said, I'd love a nice Voyager Octane. Looking forward to Galvatron too.

Classics need basics even if they are repaints.

Clocker for Hot Rod

Shortround for Seaspray

E Strongarm for Roadbuster

Cybertron Swindle for Ruckus

Overhaul for Crankcase

And while I'm at it, Titanium WW Starscream for G1 Windsweeper

Please don't encourage Hasbro to reapaint old moulds instead of making new ones. And if Swindle gets reapainted as anyone, it's Beachcomber, savvy?

That's right. Let's not encourage Hasbro to do repaints.

We're paying the same money for each toy character. At least we deserve same amount of creativity for each toy.

People have said it before, but as a fanbase we never seem to have a problem with the repaints that populate the G1 toyverse. We have 6 jets that are the same thing barring color and three with different wings. Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen and Ironhide/Ratchet and Hoist/Trailbreaker and Grapple/Inferno and Rumble/Frenzy and on and on and on. G1 toys before the animated movie was populated by repaints. And then who doe people want to see released in the Classics/Universe line? Prowl/Smokescreen/Bluestreak and Ironhide/Ratchet and Rumble/Frenzy and Huffer/Pipes and........

Dagon wrote:People have said it before, but as a fanbase we never seem to have a problem with the repaints that populate the G1 toyverse. We have 6 jets that are the same thing barring color and three with different wings. Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen and Ironhide/Ratchet and Hoist/Trailbreaker and Grapple/Inferno and Rumble/Frenzy and on and on and on. G1 toys before the animated movie was populated by repaints. And then who doe people want to see released in the Classics/Universe line? Prowl/Smokescreen/Bluestreak and Ironhide/Ratchet and Rumble/Frenzy and Huffer/Pipes and........

The world is much simpler back then in the 80s. And most of us are kids. Some not even born yet.

So repaints are quite ok during that time. When toys are not as abundant as the modern times.

But this is the new millenium. There's so much advancement in everything. Why settle for repaints?

Auto Bot wrote:But this is the new millenium. There's so much advancement in everything. Why settle for repaints?

Because we'd probably never see certain characters made if they weren't repaints? Just because toys are more advanced now doesn't mean they cost any less to make. Each mold has a lot of R&D cost associated with it, and if every character had a unique mold you see the lines populated with far fewer figures than we have now.

Repaints are fine, and sometimes they even make the original figure look much better.

Dagon wrote:People have said it before, but as a fanbase we never seem to have a problem with the repaints that populate the G1 toyverse. We have 6 jets that are the same thing barring color and three with different wings. Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen and Ironhide/Ratchet and Hoist/Trailbreaker and Grapple/Inferno and Rumble/Frenzy and on and on and on. G1 toys before the animated movie was populated by repaints. And then who doe people want to see released in the Classics/Universe line? Prowl/Smokescreen/Bluestreak and Ironhide/Ratchet and Rumble/Frenzy and Huffer/Pipes and........

It didn't hurt that they were all different characters on the TV show.

What kid actually wanted all those repaints anyway? If I had even one of those jets, it'd be Starscream regardless. Of course I didn't at the time....

lanzajr26 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:But this is the new millenium. There's so much advancement in everything. Why settle for repaints?

Because we'd probably never see certain characters made if they weren't repaints? Just because toys are more advanced now doesn't mean they cost any less to make. Each mold has a lot of R&D cost associated with it, and if every character had a unique mold you see the lines populated with far fewer figures than we have now.

Repaints are fine, and sometimes they even make the original figure look much better.

It's ok if they make little modifications to the twin toy. NOT just repaint. Like the case of Classics Ramjet. He's done exquisitely good.

But something like Classics Cliffjumper & Movie Allspark Cliffjumper, is a big joke.

I'm sure those small modifications won't cost a lot of R&D.

Auto Bot wrote:

lanzajr26 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:But this is the new millenium. There's so much advancement in everything. Why settle for repaints?

Because we'd probably never see certain characters made if they weren't repaints? Just because toys are more advanced now doesn't mean they cost any less to make. Each mold has a lot of R&D cost associated with it, and if every character had a unique mold you see the lines populated with far fewer figures than we have now.

Repaints are fine, and sometimes they even make the original figure look much better.

It's ok if they make little modifications to the twin toy. NOT just repaint. Like the case of Classics Ramjet. He's done exquisitely good.

But something like Classics Cliffjumper & Movie Allspark Cliffjumper, is a big joke.

I'm sure those small modifications won't cost a lot of R&D.

If they had just remoulded the head on CJ, I would be 100% sold. But I'm buying him regardless.

The Master Blaster wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

lanzajr26 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:But this is the new millenium. There's so much advancement in everything. Why settle for repaints?

Because we'd probably never see certain characters made if they weren't repaints? Just because toys are more advanced now doesn't mean they cost any less to make. Each mold has a lot of R&D cost associated with it, and if every character had a unique mold you see the lines populated with far fewer figures than we have now.

Repaints are fine, and sometimes they even make the original figure look much better.

It's ok if they make little modifications to the twin toy. NOT just repaint. Like the case of Classics Ramjet. He's done exquisitely good.

But something like Classics Cliffjumper & Movie Allspark Cliffjumper, is a big joke.

I'm sure those small modifications won't cost a lot of R&D.

If they had just remoulded the head on CJ, I would be 100% sold. But I'm buying him regardless.

Exactly!
I bought Classics CJ anyway. He was the last piece to complete the series.
Half-heartedly, though.

There's an image somewhere detailing how you can use CJ's trailer thing to customise his head to be G1-accurate.

I thought I had it saved to my pc, but I guess I don't. Damn.


EDIT:- Found it.

That's actually pretty awesome Master Blaster, thanks for putting that up. I don't like the jet pack anyway!

The Master Blaster wrote:There's an image somewhere detailing how you can use CJ's trailer thing to customise his head to be G1-accurate.

I thought I had it saved to my pc, but I guess I don't. Damn.


EDIT:- Found it.

WOW cool, that's real grate!
(looking at his little brothers CJ)

Dead Metal wrote:

The Master Blaster wrote:There's an image somewhere detailing how you can use CJ's trailer thing to customise his head to be G1-accurate.

I thought I had it saved to my pc, but I guess I don't. Damn.


EDIT:- Found it.

WOW cool, that's real grate!
(looking at his little brothers CJ)

YOU KNOW YOU WANTS TO. DO IT!!!!



And you're welcome guys. We all deserve that little extra awesome.

Auto Bot wrote:

Dagon wrote:People have said it before, but as a fanbase we never seem to have a problem with the repaints that populate the G1 toyverse. We have 6 jets that are the same thing barring color and three with different wings. Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen and Ironhide/Ratchet and Hoist/Trailbreaker and Grapple/Inferno and Rumble/Frenzy and on and on and on. G1 toys before the animated movie was populated by repaints. And then who doe people want to see released in the Classics/Universe line? Prowl/Smokescreen/Bluestreak and Ironhide/Ratchet and Rumble/Frenzy and Huffer/Pipes and........

The world is much simpler back then in the 80s. And most of us are kids. Some not even born yet.

So repaints are quite ok during that time. When toys are not as abundant as the modern times.

But this is the new millenium. There's so much advancement in everything. Why settle for repaints?

If we as a fandom don't want to settle for repaints, why do we fill threads like this with hopes for Classics figures that will invariably be repaints? I'm just saying, is all. People hate the repaint parade but then they want Prowl and Smokescreen and a full set of classic seekers.

I don't think the simplicity or birthdates really factors into this. I was born in 1978, but I like the music from the 60s.

Dagon wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Dagon wrote:People have said it before, but as a fanbase we never seem to have a problem with the repaints that populate the G1 toyverse. We have 6 jets that are the same thing barring color and three with different wings. Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen and Ironhide/Ratchet and Hoist/Trailbreaker and Grapple/Inferno and Rumble/Frenzy and on and on and on. G1 toys before the animated movie was populated by repaints. And then who doe people want to see released in the Classics/Universe line? Prowl/Smokescreen/Bluestreak and Ironhide/Ratchet and Rumble/Frenzy and Huffer/Pipes and........

The world is much simpler back then in the 80s. And most of us are kids. Some not even born yet.

So repaints are quite ok during that time. When toys are not as abundant as the modern times.

But this is the new millenium. There's so much advancement in everything. Why settle for repaints?

If we as a fandom don't want to settle for repaints, why do we fill threads like this with hopes for Classics figures that will invariably be repaints? I'm just saying, is all. People hate the repaint parade but then they want Prowl and Smokescreen and a full set of classic seekers.

I don't think the simplicity or birthdates really factors into this. I was born in 1978, but I like the music from the 60s.

By the way, please don't misunderstand me here. I too am rabidly looking forward to the new Universe line, and I love new molds more than repaints, and I do happen to like repaints when they appeal to me. I'm just pointing this out. I'm not anti-Classics or new molds in any capacity. I'm stoked like hell that Galvatron will be a new figure and not a repaint, but I might buy a repainted Classics Megatron named Galvatron because I like the Classics Megatron figure.

The Master Blaster wrote:There's an image somewhere detailing how you can use CJ's trailer thing to customise his head to be G1-accurate.

I thought I had it saved to my pc, but I guess I don't. Damn.


EDIT:- Found it.

Damn, don't know how I missed this, but I can't wait to try it.

Dagon wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Dagon wrote:People have said it before, but as a fanbase we never seem to have a problem with the repaints that populate the G1 toyverse. We have 6 jets that are the same thing barring color and three with different wings. Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen and Ironhide/Ratchet and Hoist/Trailbreaker and Grapple/Inferno and Rumble/Frenzy and on and on and on. G1 toys before the animated movie was populated by repaints. And then who doe people want to see released in the Classics/Universe line? Prowl/Smokescreen/Bluestreak and Ironhide/Ratchet and Rumble/Frenzy and Huffer/Pipes and........

The world is much simpler back then in the 80s. And most of us are kids. Some not even born yet.

So repaints are quite ok during that time. When toys are not as abundant as the modern times.

But this is the new millenium. There's so much advancement in everything. Why settle for repaints?

If we as a fandom don't want to settle for repaints, why do we fill threads like this with hopes for Classics figures that will invariably be repaints? I'm just saying, is all. People hate the repaint parade but then they want Prowl and Smokescreen and a full set of classic seekers.

I don't think the simplicity or birthdates really factors into this. I was born in 1978, but I like the music from the 60s.

By the way, please don't misunderstand me here. I too am rabidly looking forward to the new Universe line, and I love new molds more than repaints, and I do happen to like repaints when they appeal to me. I'm just pointing this out. I'm not anti-Classics or new molds in any capacity. I'm stoked like hell that Galvatron will be a new figure and not a repaint, but I might buy a repainted Classics Megatron named Galvatron because I like the Classics Megatron figure.

I'm NOT ok with pure repaints. Especially for those who should not have been siamese twins. I prefer repaints with some resculpt. CJ is one example. To be an accurate CJ, you have to change the hood, and rear and the head. But i'm not too demanding. If only Hasbro did resculpt just the head, then i'll be satisfied.

For the seekers, Ramjet is a step in the right direction. I love the way he was modified from the Starscream mold. Thrust should be ok too, because you really have to change his wings. As for Thundercracker and Skywarp, they are exceptions, because both were exact twin of Starscream in the cartoons.

Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen. Bluestreak is the only pure stock car. Prowl has the sirens. Smokescreen has the skirts and spoilers. So i hope if they do these guys, they don't just repaint the exact mould without any modifications.

Sideswipe and Sunstreaker have the same alt mode. That's ok. But DON'T make the mistake of giving them the same face and the same transformation. They're very far apart in terms of robot design.

Get the idea?

I'm not starting a new religion to preach repaints are bad. But do it properly. It does not cost much to do minor modifications. As what was done to Ramjet.

CJ's is a case of extreme cost cutting, to squeeze every drop of juice out of BB's mould.

The Master Blaster wrote:There's an image somewhere detailing how you can use CJ's trailer thing to customise his head to be G1-accurate.

I thought I had it saved to my pc, but I guess I don't. Damn.


EDIT:- Found it.

Thanks for this. Very good idea.

You gave me another idea. I'm gonna try something new. I'll post it here if its successful.

Auto Bot wrote:
I'm NOT ok with pure repaints. Especially for those who should not have been siamese twins. I prefer repaints with some resculpt. CJ is one example. To be an accurate CJ, you have to change the hood, and rear and the head. But i'm not too demanding. If only Hasbro did resculpt just the head, then i'll be satisfied.

For the seekers, Ramjet is a step in the right direction. I love the way he was modified from the Starscream mold. Thrust should be ok too, because you really have to change his wings. As for Thundercracker and Skywarp, they are exceptions, because both were exact twin of Starscream in the cartoons.

Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen. Bluestreak is the only pure stock car. Prowl has the sirens. Smokescreen has the skirts and spoilers. So i hope if they do these guys, they don't just repaint the exact mould without any modifications.

Sideswipe and Sunstreaker have the same alt mode. That's ok. But DON'T make the mistake of giving them the same face and the same transformation. They're very far apart in terms of robot design.

Get the idea?

I'm not starting a new religion to preach repaints are bad. But do it properly. It does not cost much to do minor modifications. As what was done to Ramjet.

CJ's is a case of extreme cost cutting, to squeeze every drop of juice out of BB's mould.

So, just for clarity here, you would be alright with a repaint as long as there has been some modification to the mold then? I'm only asking. Like if Sideswipe and Sunstreaker were the same basic mold but had been altered to show that they are two separate beings and not just different colors, becuase BB and CJ were the same thing except for color and head sculpt. In that case, I can and do agree with you.

The Master Blaster wrote:There's an image somewhere detailing how you can use CJ's trailer thing to customise his head to be G1-accurate.

I thought I had it saved to my pc, but I guess I don't. Damn.


EDIT:- Found it.

Well, I'll give Valkfan another week or so to come back to me with a price on shipping to the UK for his custom Cliffjumper heads, but failing that it looks like I've found the solution to the Cliffjumper/Tapout question.