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News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:25 am

This IS the most fun I've had over a pair of points of articulations since I immobilzed and injured VA patient in the highway during a collision between a truck and a motorcycle. :lol:

News Credits: 8 · by **NuclearConvoy** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:25 am

william-james88 wrote:Has anyone actually cancelled their preorderd for Hasbro's Devy with this news of the Takara one.

I didn't have a Hasbro preorder to begin with, but the elbows and guns of the Takara version tempt me greatly.

by **Dagon** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:34 am

william-james88 wrote:While those pics are at TFW, that's not the actual source (they dont have anyone on hand and all the pictures are from either twitter or facebook accounts). And there are clearly more where those came from. If anyone finds them, please send them to us.

For now here are those pics that I guess will make all the difference. So the interest in the SDCC version must have dwindled right? This is not at all like the Metroplex deal where the difference between all versions is a few paint apps. There is some serious engineering at play here.

Does Seibertron have someone at the Tokyo Toy Show? Some of these same pictures are in another thread witht he Seibertron watermark, and according to TFW, there is a board member at the TTS who's at least commenting on these things. Can't Seibertron only watermark pictures that Seibertron itself produces? If these are just from Twitter and such places for TFW, then how is Seibertron staff taking them and watermarking them?

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:38 am

The ones we posted were from Alfes2010 (who was credited), are slightly different than those you posted, and I watermarked them by accident. I posted many things yesterday >:oP

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:42 am

Dagon wrote:
Does Seibertron have someone at the Tokyo Toy Show? Some of these same pictures are in another thread witht he Seibertron watermark, and according to TFW, there is a board member at the TTS who's at least commenting on these things. Can't Seibertron only watermark pictures that Seibertron itself produces? If these are just from Twitter and such places for TFW, then how is Seibertron staff taking them and watermarking them?

Neither Seibertron nor TFW have a staff member at the show. Everyone is at Botcon this week-end instead and all pictures come from facebook or twitter.

by **Dagon** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:47 am

shajaki wrote:The ones we posted were from Alfes2010 (who was credited), are slightly different than those you posted, and I watermarked them by accident. I posted many things yesterday

william-james88 wrote:
Neither Seibertron nor TFW have a staff member at the show. Everyone is at Botcon this week-end instead and all pictures come from facebook or twitter.

Sorry fellas. I was only curious.

News Credits: 4835 · by **william-james88** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:07 am

Dagon wrote:
Sorry fellas. I was only curious.

Hey dude its all good. You asked a good question that other people might have had and I took the opportunity to answer it. I wish we had someone on site in Tokyo. I would gladly volunteer to go if my plane and hotel was paid for

by **Dagon** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:37 am

william-james88 wrote:
Dagon wrote:
Sorry fellas. I was only curious.

Hey dude its all good. You asked a good question that other people might have had and I took the opportunity to answer it. I wish we had someone on site in Tokyo. I would gladly volunteer to go if my plane and hotel was paid for

Well hey, if that's all it would take, let me just look between the old couch cushions for some change....

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:58 pm

If the gods smile on me ill just stick with the hasbro version rather then pay through the nose for takara. Elbows aren't such a big deal to me

News Credits: 3 · by **DedicatedGhostArt** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:04 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:If the gods smile on me ill just stick with the hasbro version rather then pay through the nose for takara. Elbows aren't such a big deal to me

Agreed.

by **Syn_13** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:11 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:If the gods smile on me ill just stick with the hasbro version rather then pay through the nose for takara. Elbows aren't such a big deal to me

Not sure how much more he'll cost, particularly if you're from the UK (I think you are, aren't you?). Depends on how easily available he becomes.

If you look at the price of the Takara Leader class figures and Unite Warriors sets that have come out, they're only a few quid more than Hasbro's versions (and generally more accurate to boot). The only exception being Defensor who, because of Groove, is a whopping 30 quid more. That's only because it's being touted as an exclusive. Kapow have already said that if Defensor becomes available at general retail, rather than exclusive, his price will go back down. If Devestator is an exclusive then he may end up costing a good £30-40 more than Hasbro's, in which case it may not be worth the extra cash considering it isn't a whole mould change, just paint apps and extra elbow joints. However, if he's only a tenner more, for example, then I'd say that's worth it.

I'm going to hold out until I see Takara Devestator's price come out on the UK sites.

News Credits: 3 · by **DedicatedGhostArt** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:29 pm

Syn_13 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:If the gods smile on me ill just stick with the hasbro version rather then pay through the nose for takara. Elbows aren't such a big deal to me

Not sure how much more he'll cost, particularly if you're from the UK (I think you are, aren't you?). Depends on how easily available he becomes.

If you look at the price of the Takara Leader class figures and Unite Warriors sets that have come out, they're only a few quid more than Hasbro's versions (and generally more accurate to boot). The only exception being Defensor who, because of Groove, is a whopping 30 quid more. That's only because it's being touted as an exclusive. Kapow have already said that if Defensor becomes available at general retail, rather than exclusive, his price will go back down. If Devestator is an exclusive then he may end up costing a good £30-40 more than Hasbro's, in which case it may not be worth the extra cash considering it isn't a whole mould change, just paint apps and extra elbow joints. However, if he's only a tenner more, for example, then I'd say that's worth it.

I'm going to hold out until I see Takara Devestator's price come out on the UK sites.

I'm in the U.S. so...
I don't know, usually Takara stuff is SUPER EXPENSIVE where I shop online, so I'll just get the Hasbro version, unless the Takara version happens to show up for a good price online.

by **Syn_13** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:44 pm

SillySpringer wrote:
Syn_13 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:If the gods smile on me ill just stick with the hasbro version rather then pay through the nose for takara. Elbows aren't such a big deal to me

Not sure how much more he'll cost, particularly if you're from the UK (I think you are, aren't you?). Depends on how easily available he becomes.

If you look at the price of the Takara Leader class figures and Unite Warriors sets that have come out, they're only a few quid more than Hasbro's versions (and generally more accurate to boot). The only exception being Defensor who, because of Groove, is a whopping 30 quid more. That's only because it's being touted as an exclusive. Kapow have already said that if Defensor becomes available at general retail, rather than exclusive, his price will go back down. If Devestator is an exclusive then he may end up costing a good £30-40 more than Hasbro's, in which case it may not be worth the extra cash considering it isn't a whole mould change, just paint apps and extra elbow joints. However, if he's only a tenner more, for example, then I'd say that's worth it.

I'm going to hold out until I see Takara Devestator's price come out on the UK sites.

I'm in the U.S. so...
I don't know, usually Takara stuff is SUPER EXPENSIVE where I shop online, so I'll just get the Hasbro version, unless the Takara version happens to show up for a good price online.

Fair enough, but in the UK these figures are more expensive even at retailers like TRU. You're looking at about $25 for a Deluxe figure and anywhere up to $47 for a Voyager depending if it's commercial retailer or independent. It's even more expensive on the continent so we've got it lucky in comparison.

The Takara figures are just a little more expensive, but not so much that it's not worth it at the moment. For example, the Leader class CW figures are retailing at about £50 (just under $80), whereas the Takara version are only £5 more for what is generally better paint apps and more accurate detailing.

News Credits: 3 · by **DedicatedGhostArt** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:39 pm

Syn_13 wrote:
Fair enough, but in the UK these figures are more expensive even at retailers like TRU. You're looking at about $25 for a Deluxe figure and anywhere up to $47 for a Voyager depending if it's commercial retailer or independent. It's even more expensive on the continent so we've got it lucky in comparison.

The Takara figures are just a little more expensive, but not so much that it's not worth it at the moment. For example, the Leader class CW figures are retailing at about £50 (just under $80), whereas the Takara version are only £5 more for what is generally better paint apps and more accurate detailing.

WOW, Uk is the place to be to get Takara stuff!

News Credits: 8 · by **NuclearConvoy** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:49 pm

I've been given permission from my lady to spend whatever I want to get the version of Devastator I want. And she agrees that lack of elbows is stupid. I love her.

News Credits: 331 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:20 pm

That Bot wrote:Someone needs to talk to Hasbro at Botcon about elbowgate.

Usually the people who would ask those kinds of questions are weeded out and not allowed near the question line and/or are so overcome with newshinnyitis that they forget what they wanted to say.

News Credits: 19 · by **Stuartmaximus** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:09 pm

SillySpringer wrote:
Syn_13 wrote:
Fair enough, but in the UK these figures are more expensive even at retailers like TRU. You're looking at about $25 for a Deluxe figure and anywhere up to $47 for a Voyager depending if it's commercial retailer or independent. It's even more expensive on the continent so we've got it lucky in comparison.

The Takara figures are just a little more expensive, but not so much that it's not worth it at the moment. For example, the Leader class CW figures are retailing at about £50 (just under $80), whereas the Takara version are only £5 more for what is generally better paint apps and more accurate detailing.

WOW, Uk is the place to be to get Takara stuff!

Aye....online....like Kapow Toys...or at Comicons that are held in the UK!(that's where I got my Takara Generations Metroplex) I've not seen any Takara stuff sold at TRU at least here in Scotland anyway! dunno about the rest of the country.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:49 pm

I would love to see takara stuff here in blighty

but sadly not, I just wish hasbro UK did more to help get us the same toys as our counterparts in the states.

News Credits: 4 · by **King Kuuga** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:46 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
That Bot wrote:Someone needs to talk to Hasbro at Botcon about elbowgate.

Usually the people who would ask those kinds of questions are weeded out and not allowed near the question line and/or are so overcome with newshinnyitis that they forget what they wanted to say.

Maybe one of our trusty news staff could bring it up during their one-on-one interviews that they like to get.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:59 pm

That Bot wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
That Bot wrote:Someone needs to talk to Hasbro at Botcon about elbowgate.

Usually the people who would ask those kinds of questions are weeded out and not allowed near the question line and/or are so overcome with newshinnyitis that they forget what they wanted to say.

Maybe one of our trusty news staff could bring it up during their one-on-one interviews that they like to get.

Well, BotCon's over by now, so...

News Credits: 4 · by **King Kuuga** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:06 pm

Could be done at SDCC if they get a chance....

by **Robogeek1973** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:40 pm

Scavenger and Bonecrusher have remolding done to them as well. They have lower knee joints that aren't as far up their hips as the Hasbro ones are, but I don't know if it's just a lower knee joint, or if it gives them double jointed knees..

News Credits: 16 · by **It Is Him** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:15 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
That Bot wrote:Someone needs to talk to Hasbro at Botcon about elbowgate.

Usually the people who would ask those kinds of questions are weeded out and not allowed near the question line and/or are so overcome with newshinnyitis that they forget what they wanted to say.

I talked to the designers about this after the reveals panel. I shared this in another thread, but basically it came down to business side making the call, not the designers.

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:56 pm

It Is Him wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
That Bot wrote:Someone needs to talk to Hasbro at Botcon about elbowgate.

Usually the people who would ask those kinds of questions are weeded out and not allowed near the question line and/or are so overcome with newshinnyitis that they forget what they wanted to say.

I talked to the designers about this after the reveals panel. I shared this in another thread, but basically it came down to business side making the call, not the designers.

Sounds about right.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:05 pm

Cobotron wrote:
It Is Him wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
That Bot wrote:Someone needs to talk to Hasbro at Botcon about elbowgate.

Usually the people who would ask those kinds of questions are weeded out and not allowed near the question line and/or are so overcome with newshinnyitis that they forget what they wanted to say.

I talked to the designers about this after the reveals panel. I shared this in another thread, but basically it came down to business side making the call, not the designers.
Sounds about right.

Same complaint by Mr. Masterpiece himself (the Takara designer involve with MP-10). It's the suits upstairs that always remind the engineers not to go full nerdgasm and break the bank at the same time.