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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby WreckerJack » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:26 am

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I think pretty much anyone can like a cute character. (Pokemon is popular with both guys and girls and it has a balance of cute and cool characters.) In RiD Fixit was the cute one and in the movies it was Sqweeks. A lot of the bots from TFA could fit the bill for cute too, Bee and Bulkhead come to mind with their friendly looking designs.

Humans like cute things. It's actually scientific. Vsauce explains it better than I do, but you can see why it is an effective marketing strategy. When we see cute things we just want to take them home :-D


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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Qwan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:32 am

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I think the only way you can really call Sqweeks cute is if you put like five sets of air-quotes around the word """""cute""""". :-P


I'm a big fan of 'clean' visual aesthetics; the more messy or grungy a style is, the more work the rest of a show will have to do to get me into it. Animated is probably once again the perfect example, where - arguments about whether Transformers should look that way aside - the style had me hooked from the get-go. Bright, colorful, smooth - nothing an eyesore to look at, neither too bright and saturated nor too grungy and ugly-looking - and it just exudes fun.

Fun is a big part of media's success, especially toy-based or children's media like Transformers shows, and nothing encapsulates a feeling of fun at a glance like a well-chosen style. While I still feel like Cyberverse could do a little more to differentiate itself from NuRID's style, it does capture that impression of pleasant fun that Transformers shows tend to do (especially the more child-targeted ones - not the same thing as the ones that only kids like).

Cute is a whole other matter, of course - it's probably why MLP's new generation got as big as it did, for one. I wouldn't necessarily call these characters particularly cute, personally. They're cute as far as Transformers go I guess, but they're not even that cute on the scale of cartoon robots in general. You wanna talk cute robots, let's talk Jenny Wakeman or Nano Shinonome (technically), not Bumblebee or Windblade IMO. (And especially not Optimus. That face is not cute, however you slice it. :P )
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Prowl4 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:11 am

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Skritz wrote:You know, just because I've got five minutes to kill I'll expand a bit on my previous knee-jerking post about how this didn't seem good. I'm fairly certain it was probably left alone because knee-jerking fans are the bread and butter of this fanbase as we all know. So why am I bummed about Bumblebee and Windblade? Because neither are generally interesting characters and both have been overused as the franchise mascot for, in my very biased opinion, a bit too long. You could argue the same for Optimus and Megatron but they're the respective faction leader even if personally I'd never mind a TF show where neither is a main character so long as its good.

The problem is...I'm just tired of Bee. Generally speaking he has no particularly interesting trait beyond being the young, hot-headed kid appeal character or a generic kid sidekick with no personality who speak in bleeps and bloops. Not only that but he's just been on shelves so long that its hard for me to even care about the toyline collection part and it make me wonder if even the kids won't get tired of yet another yellow-and-black-car-transformers. That and we can assume that he'll be available in all size class and then some.

As for Windblade I'm really cold on her. She's a fan-voted character and generally is rather forgettable in personality not to mention that she reminds me of Rey from Star Wars in that she's the character we are SUPPOSED to find cool and want to be the new heroine. Now granted, its entirely possible Cyberverse may end up a decent show with a decent Windblade which may make me appreciate the character more but right now I can't really find anything notable or interesting in her: she's a female jet-autobot with big wind fans and a geisha makeup face. Admittedly, a pretty unique design but design alone does not sell me on a character. Overall I'm just left with a big old 'meh' on people trying so badly to push Windblade and telling me she's cool. Don't TELL me she's cool SHOW me she's cool and maybe then I might like her. Until then it sound like Hasbro is trying to shove a character down my throat.

As for the art style itself? Hardly care, given I loved Animated and that was one weird-looking show.


Agreed with bee which is probably why I'd lean more towards hot shot with flamethrowers like animated or even hot rod who'd fill that gap of idolising prime.

Windblade has been a bad idea since concept. Not to mention she's a very unlikeable character in IDW and then they cranked that unlikablilty to the maximum in robots in disguise.

Rescue bots show an all new band of bots can be successful with small links to the leader when needs be. Mtmte showed that in comics too and I honestly can't believe hasbro still haven't done a Mtmte tv show in a similar way to star trek.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Knight » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:40 am

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I for one haven't seen The Last Knight or any of RiD and I don't plan on watching Machinima's TR show. I can't see that pattern stopping with this cartoon either.

Indeed, the premise seems a little... displeasing. Laser Guided Amnesia on the protagonist plus yet another main-character appearance from a character that hasn't done the best job building goodwill among fans... admittedly, aside from the characters involved and the whole 'amnesia' thing, there's nothing actually wrong with the premise and this show might end up being alright. Who can tell for certain at this point (nobody, that's who).



However. If you're going to do a show where the main protagonist has amnesia and is trying to recover their old memory, why not make it more interesting? I know the real answer, because if the main character is Bumblebee then it'll be more popular or whatever, but picture for a second: An amnesiac hero (and I guess Windblade) going around saving people and helping the Earth. But the hero isn't Bumblebee, it's Starscream. Sent to the Earth to destroy it, he ended up losing his memory banks on landing and was found by Windblade, who informed him that he was a hero who was sent to protect the Earth. As he gains more of his memories back, he starts to realize that maybe before he came to Earth he wasn't a hero, but was instead one of the villains. How would he deal with that? The "new" Starscream is a good 'bot dedicated to helping people, but he finds out he wasn't always that way and was tricked by Windblade into joining her side of the war. Think G1 Skyfire in reverse, fittingly.

Interesting character dynamics! Windblade trying to prevent Starscream from regaining his memory, without tipping him off that she's hiding something from him. Starscream slowly discovering that Windblade is lying to him, maybe then trying to avoid tipping her off until he has the whole story (like a chain of who-knows-that-I-know-that-you-know). The two of them eventually becoming genuine friends despite previous animosity (remembered by Windblade, unremembered by Starscream), but it being strained as Starscream's new memories start to push them apart again.

Interesting story! Maybe the Decepticons they're fighting are sent to retrieve Starscream, but as they get captured and put into stasis (I'm assuming that's what's gonna happen) they can't relay the information back to Decepticon command that Starscream has defected, so command starts to assume there's an all-out war taking down their best troops on Earth before they can free Starscream.

Dramatic irony! The audience knows exactly what Starscream used to be like, and maybe even why the Decepticons are attacking, but Starscream knows none of it. Windblade is halfway in between, putting her in an interesting position where she's still withholding vital info from Starscream but she also doesn't have the full story either.

Anyways, I think I went a little overboard but, do we see how an amnesiac protagonist could be done in a much more interesting way than "Oh Bumblebee forgot what he's doing so he has to try and remember while he beats up the bad guys"? (The MC wouldn't have to be Starscream either, but I think his character best fits the story I threw together. Almost like an inversion of Armada Scream's arc, in some ways.) Not saying the show is gonna be bad, and I know that Bee's the protag for reasons beyond good storytelling, but I just wish such overused tropes could be done with a more unique spin.


(Also, if each of Bumblebee's regained memories lead him further him toward a dark and dangerous mission, does that mean his Amnesia is sending him on a Dark Descent? :-P Okay I'll get out now.)


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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:46 am

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Yeah, I'm not entirely sure about these guys being 'cute'. I'd reserve that for Nickel, or the Rescue Bots, or even Aileron. Or Thundercracker's dog.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby BattleConvoy » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:23 am

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Octobotimus wrote:got to love how transformers shows look like they are getting lower and lower in animation budget.....wether the story is good or not, the animation looks to be cringe worthy on its own.


What's wrong with the animation? It looks fine, at least in stills. Don't got anymore to go on until we get a trailer/teaser of some kind. Even so, there's not much, or anything really, wrong with the style. Guess it's a bit simplistic in look, but so?


Animated looked bad, but it turned out to be (imo) the best transformers cartoon.

I really think the hasbro should stop with all the bumblebees and windblades - because it might as well be RiD (2015, not 2001 :P) just with IDW added.
Maybe it might be good though - like Doctor Who (series 11) - it will be different - but it could go either way.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximus_Prime » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:47 am

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SO, the designs look pretty good, as do the animation. It doesn't look that bad. The story premise sound kinda sucky, but we'll see.

I consider Animated, Prime, and Beast Wars to be the best 3 series, so I hope it ends up more like those shows. Beast wars was the first with really good storytelling and amazing characters with good animation (it was the 90's, that was good animation), Prime was probably the best show visually, and had some good stories, though not perfect. Animated is the pinnacle show in my opinion though, with great animation and great stories.

If this show can end up close to any of those 3 shows, it will be good
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:35 am

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:SO, the designs look pretty good, as do the animation. It doesn't look that bad. The story premise sound kinda sucky, but we'll see.

I consider Animated, Prime, and Beast Wars to be the best 3 series, so I hope it ends up more like those shows. Beast wars was the first with really good storytelling and amazing characters with good animation (it was the 90's, that was good animation), Prime was probably the best show visually, and had some good stories, though not perfect. Animated is the pinnacle show in my opinion though, with great animation and great stories.

If this show can end up close to any of those 3 shows, it will be good


I agree with this assessment up till the comment on Animated having good animation. I quite enjoyed Animated story wise despite the Decepticons being a bland and goofy bunch, but the animation was just barely standard issue for early 2000s features. Cartoons with the likes of Teen Titans and Avatar: The Last Airbender had much more aesthetically pleasing and, most importantly, FLUID animation than Transformers: Animated. The show seemed to run at 10 frames a second most of the time. Very choppy and unappealing, which bogged down its more action-orientated segments
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:38 am

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:SO, the designs look pretty good, as do the animation. It doesn't look that bad. The story premise sound kinda sucky, but we'll see.

I consider Animated, Prime, and Beast Wars to be the best 3 series, so I hope it ends up more like those shows. Beast wars was the first with really good storytelling and amazing characters with good animation (it was the 90's, that was good animation), Prime was probably the best show visually, and had some good stories, though not perfect. Animated is the pinnacle show in my opinion though, with great animation and great stories.

If this show can end up close to any of those 3 shows, it will be good


I agree with this assessment up till the comment on Animated having good animation. I quite enjoyed Animated story wise despite the Decepticons being a bland and goofy bunch, but the animation was just barely standard issue for early 2000s features. Cartoons with the likes of Teen Titans and Avatar: The Last Airbender had much more aesthetically pleasing and, most importantly, FLUID animation than Transformers: Animated. The show seemed to run at 10 frames a second most of the time. Very choppy and unappealing, which bogged down its more action-orientated segments
Didn't help that CN only aired the SD version instead of the HD version.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximus_Prime » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:44 am

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:SO, the designs look pretty good, as do the animation. It doesn't look that bad. The story premise sound kinda sucky, but we'll see.

I consider Animated, Prime, and Beast Wars to be the best 3 series, so I hope it ends up more like those shows. Beast wars was the first with really good storytelling and amazing characters with good animation (it was the 90's, that was good animation), Prime was probably the best show visually, and had some good stories, though not perfect. Animated is the pinnacle show in my opinion though, with great animation and great stories.

If this show can end up close to any of those 3 shows, it will be good

I agree with this assessment up till the comment on Animated having good animation. I quite enjoyed Animated story wise despite the Decepticons being a bland and goofy bunch, but the animation was just barely standard issue for early 2000s features. Cartoons with the likes of Teen Titans and Avatar: The Last Airbender had much more aesthetically pleasing and, most importantly, FLUID animation than Transformers: Animated. The show seemed to run at 10 frames a second most of the time. Very choppy and unappealing, which bogged down its more action-orientated segments

I think Animated did really well with animation. It was appealing visually, there were lots of transformations, and it fit the cartoony style the series was going for.

It fit the show perfectly, and the show was nearly perfect, though it was definitely the best
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:26 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Didn't help that CN only aired the SD version instead of the HD version.


I admittedly probably only share this viewpoint due to only seeing the SD versions. If I ever buy it on DVD, we'll see just how much it improves. Does it make the difference?

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I think Animated did really well with animation. It was appealing visually, there were lots of transformations, and it fit the cartoony style the series was going for.


Yeah, I don't have that much of a problem with the aesthetic of the series visually anymore considering I've...you know...grown up. I just think that the animation in and of itself fell flat. Also, to nitpick, I find stock footage transformations lazy and distracting. Glad that Beast Wars, Prime, and to an extent Beast Machines didn't bother doing this with their time, and I hope this series doesn't bother either. Regardless, I thought Animated was good overall.

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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:09 pm

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So...first reaction observations & thoughts.... ok I'm not going to *fanrage* as expected, but I will say this.

So many times we have heard from someone working on the show "this is like G1, or inspired by G1 etc...Z" this is basically the boy who cried wolf. We have gone rounds and rounds with this. I'd love a continuation of the original series, or something closely inspired by it, but its probably never going to happen, and I should stop getting my hopes up.

That said, my initial reaction is not a positive one. Will I give it a chance. Of course. But when Animated first came out, I hated the look, and as a result, counter to most fans, I really do not like that series. I wasn't thrilled with the first look at RiD15 either, and while its ok, its going to go down in history as something pretty mediocre and ultimately forgettable after the amazing Prime series.

So many words I understand get misused, "Mature" Adult" "Serious"...of course the show should cater to its core audience, children however...when you look at the original animated series (and it was just that a series NOT a cartoon, Bungs Bunny, and Animaniacs are cartoons if you get my meaning...). It was, for lack of a better term, played straight. There was very real danger, and threat in ach episode. I don't ever remember laughing while watching an episode of the original series, though humor at times is not unwelcome. BW at times had touches of humor which added to its palate.

However, is it too much to ask for a Transformers animated series that doesn't look cartoony? That does play it straight so to speak..? I mean in this day and age I know most shows have to be CG, or flash animated, but there are a few holdouts left. I believe Transformers should look and aspire to be the best it can possibly be, I as a kid back in the 80's appreciated this, not being pandered to by bright colors and friendly smiling faces.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:29 pm

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o.supreme wrote:However, is it too much to ask for a Transformers animated series that doesn't look cartoony? That does play it straight so to speak..? I mean in this day and age I know most shows have to be CG, or flash animated, but there are a few holdouts left. I believe Transformers should look and aspire to be the best it can possibly be, I as a kid back in the 80's appreciated this, not being pandered to by bright colors and friendly smiling faces.


Well their cartoons so uh probably not.

I doubt Hasbro is going to invest a lot in a new show after the disaster that was Prime and how the show staff had huge amounts of drama behind the scenes to the point of not even listening to Hasbro's plans such as that whole Binder of whatever that they wrote and how the Hub pretty much failed (Cable tv is dying anyways), They wasted a lot of money and time on things that never came to be (Transformers Universe is one thing that comes in mind)

Oh and Prime became way to expensive to continue there is that as well.

Maybe in 5 or 10 years they'll have another shot at a big budget Transformers show but for now at least this show and the next one will probably be cheaper in production.

I don't know everything about this kind of subject but there are reasons for why Hasbro isn't making the "grand" show we want.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:08 pm

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o.supreme wrote:However, is it too much to ask for a Transformers animated series that doesn't look cartoony? That does play it straight so to speak..? I mean in this day and age I know most shows have to be CG, or flash animated, but there are a few holdouts left. I believe Transformers should look and aspire to be the best it can possibly be, I as a kid back in the 80's appreciated this, not being pandered to by bright colors and friendly smiling faces.


Well their cartoons so uh probably not.

I doubt Hasbro is going to invest a lot in a new show after the disaster that was Prime and how the show staff had huge amounts of drama behind the scenes to the point of not even listening to Hasbro's plans such as that whole Binder of whatever that they wrote and how the Hub pretty much failed (Cable tv is dying anyways), They wasted a lot of money and time on things that never came to be (Transformers Universe is one thing that comes in mind)

Oh and Prime became way to expensive to continue there is that as well.

Maybe in 5 or 10 years they'll have another shot at a big budget Transformers show but for now at least this show and the next one will probably be cheaper in production.

I don't know everything about this kind of subject but there are reasons for why Hasbro isn't making the "grand" show we want.


Was Prime that much of a mess, production-wise?
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:41 pm

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Was Prime that much of a mess, production-wise?


From my research on the subject it unfortunately was.

There was also a change of direction mid way and the new director wanted a lot of changes like a green optimus (beast hunter repaints) no female transformers, dragon transformers and so on.

They refused to accept that Trypticon was the Nemesis even though he is supposed to be.

Transformers prime was also going to set up a new show called unit e where characters from multiple Hasbro brands were going to be in one show such as Transformers, GI Joe, Mask, Candyland (I know crazy) tf wiki has an article on it.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:58 pm

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Yep. It all had to do with a loss of budget and the wackjob in charge (at the time, or presently, I'm not sure) over at Hasbro thinking Beast Hunters was a good idea and practically forcing it into the show. The writers had four seasons of story planned and they had to condense what they hadn't animated so far into the first half of the second season, running through almost the entire series' planned plot in just 13 episodes. That's why Breakdown and Airachnid got written out of the show abruptly without finishing their story arcs, as a means of lowering the cost of their "celebrity" VAs. That's also why there's the "Armada" episode, which literally has four plots going within 22 minutes, all of these likely meant to stretch out across the entire second season. They later wrote Dreadwing out as well in favor of Predaking, but in my opinion they handle him a little better by at least wrapping up his arc before his anticlimactic death. Still, notice their similar arcs. It's a miracle the show turned out as well as it did given it was getting royally ass-rammed.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:31 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Skritz wrote:Was Prime that much of a mess, production-wise?


Yep. It all had to do with a loss of budget and the wackjob in charge (at the time, or presently, I'm not sure) over at Hasbro thinking Beast Hunters was a good idea and practically forcing it into the show. The writers had four seasons of story planned and they had to condense what they hadn't animated so far into the first half of the second season, running through almost the entire series' planned plot in just 13 episodes. That's why Breakdown and Airachnid got written out of the show abruptly without finishing their story arcs, as a means of lowering the cost of their "celebrity" VAs. That's also why there's the "Armada" episode, which literally has four plots going within 22 minutes, all of these likely meant to stretch out across the entire second season. They later wrote Dreadwing out as well in favor of Predaking, but in my opinion they handle him a little better by at least wrapping up his arc before his anticlimactic death. Still, notice their similar arcs. It's a miracle the show turned out as well as it did given it was getting royally ass-rammed.


I'm just going to say that there was always only going to be 3 seasons they just changed the third and shortened the episode ammount.

The Maximals and the Star Seekers were going to be a big part of it and Cybertron would have been restored in season 2, as far as I can tell the only remainders of that original ideas were Cybertron being restored although in Predacons rising instead, Ultra Magnus who hardly had anything to do in the show now and Shockwave who while had more plot significance wasn't that big either.

Also at some point Seaspary was actually going to have survived Dreadwing's attack and joined the cast during season 3 being a whole lot like Quint from Jaw's, as well as Cosmos showing up at some point and having a similar role to his cut Animated appearance on having amnesia and scanning a UFO prop.

This drama stuff was what caused me to be as sour towards Tf:P as I am plus the loss of Universe was a great hit to me since I was very involved in it during the old days heck I was the guy who discovered future characters such as Cameo and Swagger by editing the weblinks which is probably my biggest accomplishment in life...

I hate the whole "What could of been" trope since that dominates my whole media life nowdays, what could of been in Transformers, what could of been in Destiny, what could of been in Bionicle and so on.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:20 pm

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So many words I understand get misused, "Mature" Adult" "Serious"

100% agree. Adult means only 1 thing in the entertainment industry: Sex.

Hence why I always snicker when someone says they want an "adult" transformers show. Like keep your fantasies to yourself :lol:
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:31 pm

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o.supreme wrote:
So many words I understand get misused, "Mature" Adult" "Serious"

100% agree. Adult means only 1 thing in the entertainment industry: Sex.

Hence why I always snicker when someone says they want an "adult" transformers show. Like keep your fantasies to yourself :lol:
The more correct words to use ought be "smart", "insightful", "thought-provoking", "moving", etc.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:34 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
So many words I understand get misused, "Mature" Adult" "Serious"

100% agree. Adult means only 1 thing in the entertainment industry: Sex.

Hence why I always snicker when someone says they want an "adult" transformers show. Like keep your fantasies to yourself :lol:
The more correct words to use ought be "smart", "insightful", "thought-provoking", "moving", etc.


Well not many people think of those words casually.

How about decent?
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Qwan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:50 pm

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I must admit I'm a little bothered when people use "adult" and "mature" to describe media with deeper meaning or effective exploration of an issue. Not just because of the connotations they seem to invariably carry - like Will, I have a hard time taking even myself seriously when I try to describe a show with those words - but because since when does a show being good or discussing important material have to mean it's for adults only? Not everyone here may love Steven Universe, but it definitely covers some heavy stuff in a really effective way without ever not being a children's show. I just wish that there was a better catch-all word to indicate that sort of thing without implying that kids can't handle it, but if there is one I haven't found it yet.

And of course, the fact that "Mature" can hold two entirely contradictory meanings (meaning either itself, or "literally the most immature thing you've ever laid your eyes on") just muddies the waters further. I hate the English language sometimes :roll:
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:47 am

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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:43 am

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^My apologies. I thought we were discussing reservations about the new Cyberverse series. And hopefully moving forward we will all (including myself), be more articulate and have accurate word choice when describing what we would like to see. Again, I'm fully planning on giving this series a chance, but "happy bots" is not what attracted me in 1984, 2000, and 2010, (discussions of those other shows I like we can save for other threads I get it...) and it is not likely what will attract me in 2018.

Do they have to be gritty and *hard core"...No, not at all. But just a quality detailed image of Optimus looking stoic (with face plate please...the mouth really needs to go away...) would be a welcome site.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby TulioDude » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:39 pm

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The more I think about it,talking that saying somthing Transformers is G1 inspired doenst mean much anymore.The IDW comics are a rebooted G1,War for Cybertron game is G1 inspired,many designs on current RiD cartoon are G1 inspired yet when you put all side to side with the stuff that came out in the beginning of the franchise they don't match.Nowdays the idea of "G1" keeps getting uptaded along,as the other partd of the series are made.
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Re: Transformers: Cyberverse Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Qwan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:52 am

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TulioDude wrote:The more I think about it,talking that saying somthing Transformers is G1 inspired doenst mean much anymore.The IDW comics are a rebooted G1,War for Cybertron game is G1 inspired,many designs on current RiD cartoon are G1 inspired yet when you put all side to side with the stuff that came out in the beginning of the franchise they don't match.Nowdays the idea of "G1" keeps getting uptaded along,as the other partd of the series are made.
At the end of the day,Transformers are just Transformers.

Hey, check out our new show, it's G1-inspired we promise, it's got BUMBLEBEE and OPTIMUS PRIME remember those guys from G1?! :-P

I'm kinda hoping that Cyberverse takes itself in its own (hopefully interesting) direction. For as many things as I can complain about the live-action movies for, one thing they did really well was set themselves apart from previous incarnations of Transformers - new takes on the characters and story that made it feel fresh, and at the very least prevented the boredom of seeing the exact same characters we've seen many times over already. In fact, the most memorable details of any given show are the ones that were new in some way.

What are Prime's most memorable characters? Soundwave and Arcee probably. Animated? Bulkhead, Blitzwing, Academy-washout-Prime - pretty much every character in that show when it comes down to it actually. The Unicron Trilogy? To its eternal shame, probably Hot Shot and Ironhide. The CW animated series? For better or worse, both Windblade and Megatron really stand out in their own ways. With any luck, Cyberverse will do something similar - hopefully with Bumblebee, but failing that a new take on Windblade or an interesting antagonist is all it needs to make this feel much more memorable.

(Of course, "memorable" doesn't necessarily mean "good", but it's definitely got a better chance that way than if they just rehash the exact same characters in the exact same way that we've seen them many times before.)
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