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william-james88 wrote:I want to make something clear here, I am not saying I am for or against any of what I mentioned, I just wanted to explain the current reality as a parent, since it was brought up. Parents do not have a choice, this is the new norm. The only way to change that is through legislation by denying certain couples the right to be parents or through segregation. Though, honestly, I don't think there's anyway the genie can be put back in the lamp; case in point, here's a shot of the kids' book section at my local TJMaxx store where I bring my kids to shop (and sometimes find TF toys).
o.supreme wrote:I never personally understood the strong desire to identify with any fictional character. Sure I have my favorites, but I was never looking for any individual in television or movies thanking "Yeah THAT's ME", but apparently it is common.
-Kanrabat- wrote:It's just that I've been burned several times by a news post that talk about a certain social issue, then we respond to that specific social issue that was reported in the news post, brought by a news staff, then a certain mod comes along, have an emotional freak out, then point a gun to our head saying "SHUT UP, OR ELSE."
TFfan1 wrote:william-james88 wrote:I want to make something clear here, I am not saying I am for or against any of what I mentioned, I just wanted to explain the current reality as a parent, since it was brought up. Parents do not have a choice, this is the new norm. The only way to change that is through legislation by denying certain couples the right to be parents or through segregation. Though, honestly, I don't think there's anyway the genie can be put back in the lamp; case in point, here's a shot of the kids' book section at my local TJMaxx store where I bring my kids to shop (and sometimes find TF toys).
The fact that you said that parents have "no choice" in their children being aware that people who don't live the way do existing is pretty telling about what you're against. Sorry, but people exist, and your children having fellow students whose parents are gay or trans doesn't take anything away from you.
What about trans or non-binary kids who grow up in insular communities, and never get to see or meet anyone who experiences the same thing they do? How lonely and alienating that must be, compared to seeing someone like you in your favorite kids show.
william-james88 wrote: I get that people over 60 are just talking about this now, but why wasn't this discussion happening months ago here?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:(Though, Hashtag's name is still very dated-on-arrival)
Had it been me who named her, I'd have give her a name that Hasbro has already had trademarked before for a female Transformer, one that's not well-known and thus could have been made all her own, and one that would have still fit perfectly with her Internet abilities without being too on the nose: "Cyberwarp".Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:(Though, Hashtag's name is still very dated-on-arrival)
At least it doesn't offend British people like so many TF names seem to.
And it's not something like "Carbombya".
Or "Windbreaker".
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Had it been me who named her, I'd have give her a name that Hasbro has already had trademarked before for a female Transformer, one that's not well-known and thus could have been made all her own, and one that would have still fit perfectly with her Internet abilities without being too on the nose: "Cyberwarp".Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:(Though, Hashtag's name is still very dated-on-arrival)
At least it doesn't offend British people like so many TF names seem to.
And it's not something like "Carbombya".
Or "Windbreaker".
Says who?Dr. Caelus wrote:and like to reserve partial name reuse for upgraded forms.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Says who?Dr. Caelus wrote:and like to reserve partial name reuse for upgraded forms.
We just had the Cyberverse cartoon with both Acid Storm and Nova Storm in it as separate characters who worked together.Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Says who?Dr. Caelus wrote:and like to reserve partial name reuse for upgraded forms.
Don't they though?
...
They generally try to avoid unrelated characters having similar names in close proximity. You don't often see characters like Shadowstriker and Shadowstrip, Inferno and Twinferno, Thundercracker and Thunderwing, etc. around at the same time.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:We just had the Cyberverse carton with both Acid Storm and Nova Storm in it as separate characters who worked together. Not to mention the Siege three-pack that had both of them and Ion Storm in it.Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Says who?Dr. Caelus wrote:and like to reserve partial name reuse for upgraded forms.
Don't they though?
You can't keep making up rules to support you're argument as you go along.Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:We just had the Cyberverse carton with both Acid Storm and Nova Storm in it as separate characters who worked together. Not to mention the Siege three-pack that had both of them and Ion Storm in it.Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Says who?Dr. Caelus wrote:and like to reserve partial name reuse for upgraded forms.
Don't they though?
Those are related characters. Close allies who share the same body and are part of the same subgroup, the "Rainmakers", which references their unifying names.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Slashercon wrote::roll: Major Rant incoming (Since We decided we had to make a news article that clearly talks about politics, don't be surprised that I talk about politics. )
You know, I generally watch/play/read media to ESCAPE the real-world/overly political side of things. I watched up to maybe episode 4 of Earthspark (a show which I wasn't entirely enjoying to be honest) before I said I'd take a break. Found out a while later that Nightshade fell into the political vat, and I decided the show wasn't worth my time. It doesn't matter how you try to spin it in the show about how it "makes sense", because it's the year 2023, and I know the real-world reason why it's being done. Of course adding identity- politics into a show which, let's be honest, the target demographic being children, I find to be underhanded. It's not just Transformers either; many cartoons, comics, games, movies, etc. of ESTABLISHED IPS have more or less been up-ended for "modern" audiences, and said IPs (and the fans that made them what they are) are the ones that suffer in quality and/or revenue. I sure most will see it as innocent and don't see the harm in a sentient robot referring to himself as "they" (even though grammatically it's disingenuous), but it more or less tells kids that this type of behavior is acceptable. I know a lot of parents who are just tired of having identity politics entrenched in their kids' entertainment (even education), and even adults who steer clear of media with it now.
In the end, all I'll say, is keep identity-politics out of entertainment.
Also, I would respectfully request that we refrain from bringing up topics like this again in the future, since I know people on both sides can be very "passionate" about their views, and civil discussions aren't always on the minds of most who wander on the forums.
Sabrblade wrote:You can't keep making up rules to support you're argument as you go along.Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:We just had the Cyberverse carton with both Acid Storm and Nova Storm in it as separate characters who worked together. Not to mention the Siege three-pack that had both of them and Ion Storm in it.Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Says who?Dr. Caelus wrote:and like to reserve partial name reuse for upgraded forms.
Don't they though?
Those are related characters. Close allies who share the same body and are part of the same subgroup, the "Rainmakers", which references their unifying names.
You want two characters with shared partial names who have no relation to each other but have still coexisted and interacted with each other in the same work? Fine. Megatron and Tigatron from Beast Wars. By your own previous example of "Megatron to Galvatron", the name "Tigatron" ought to refer to a tiger-themed upgraded version of "Megatron", but it does not.
Another example: The Autobot Spychanger Ironhide and the Decepticon Commando Armorhide from Robots in Disguise 2001. The name "Armorhide" was even later used as an alternate name for Animated Ironhide when that series was brought over to Japan (due to Takara reassigning the "Ironhide" name to Animated Bulkhead instead).Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Sabrblade wrote:You can't keep making up rules to support you're argument as you go along.Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:We just had the Cyberverse carton with both Acid Storm and Nova Storm in it as separate characters who worked together. Not to mention the Siege three-pack that had both of them and Ion Storm in it.Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Says who?Dr. Caelus wrote:and like to reserve partial name reuse for upgraded forms.
Don't they though?
Those are related characters. Close allies who share the same body and are part of the same subgroup, the "Rainmakers", which references their unifying names.
You want two characters with shared partial names who have no relation to each other but have still coexisted and interacted with each other in the same work? Fine. Megatron and Tigatron from Beast Wars. By your own previous example of "Megatron to Galvatron", the name "Tigatron" ought to refer to a tiger-themed upgraded version of "Megatron", but it does not.
The supposed rule going one way does not guarantee its validity going the other way.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Sabrblade wrote:You can't keep making up rules to support you're argument as you go along.Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:We just had the Cyberverse carton with both Acid Storm and Nova Storm in it as separate characters who worked together. Not to mention the Siege three-pack that had both of them and Ion Storm in it.Dr. Caelus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Says who?Dr. Caelus wrote:and like to reserve partial name reuse for upgraded forms.
Don't they though?
Those are related characters. Close allies who share the same body and are part of the same subgroup, the "Rainmakers", which references their unifying names.
You want two characters with shared partial names who have no relation to each other but have still coexisted and interacted with each other in the same work? Fine. Megatron and Tigatron from Beast Wars. By your own previous example of "Megatron to Galvatron", the name "Tigatron" ought to refer to a tiger-themed upgraded version of "Megatron", but it does not.
The supposed rule going one way does not guarantee its validity going the other way.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The Robots in Disguise 2015 toyline also had Shockdrive, who had nothing to do with Shockwave.
Oh! That brings to mind the most famous example of all: Shockwave and Soundwave! And Tidal Wave!
And then there's Hot Rod and Hot Shot. Also Hot Spot, Hot House, Hotlink, Hotwire, Hotspark, etc.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm all for LGBT representation in media. But when they did sexually explicit shows for toddlers as if it's the most normal thing in the world, that's when the straw that broke the camel's back for many.
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