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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:No humans makes sense in the right setting.
But when there's an actual WAR waged by extraterrestrials on Earth soil and not a single human delegation or army show up to intervene, it's there that my suspension of disbelief reach its limits.
For me, with Bayformers, it was the opposite. I grew up with Toho films. Humans are there to scream, run away and/or be ineffective military fodder. That normally ends up doing one of the two former options. Being active participants in an Alien war, which uses technology far more advanced than our own? I don't buy it for a second. Let alone when our technology can harm a giant alien robot
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:More combat footage is seen in this Hasbro corporate reel video.
The uniform-wearing human woman is also seen using a laser gun of her own.
https://twitter.com/Hasbro/status/1494363619622064137
Don't we see that same shot in the teaser?
Deadput wrote:If humans can't hurt them, than that should mean that they couldn't even hurt each other.
Deadput wrote:Like if the Decepticons could just squash the military in a couple hours than what would ever be the point of them disguising each other and being Deceptive? It makes the story more interesting when the Decepticons actually have a good reason not to go all out.
Deadput wrote:Transformers has never been at it's best with the absence of humans and never will.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Deadput wrote:Transformers has never been at it's best with the absence of humans and never will.
Agree to disagree on that one.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Those were just snippits I picked out from memory.-Kanrabat- wrote:Not even 5 minutes out of 4 seasons.
Seriously?
At that point, yeah, that city is Squirrel City.
Plus, five minutes would take up half of a whole episode. That's expensive.
Sabrblade wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Deadput wrote:Transformers has never been at it's best with the absence of humans and never will.
Agree to disagree on that one.
Beast Wars was not absent of humans.
Deadput wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:No humans makes sense in the right setting.
But when there's an actual WAR waged by extraterrestrials on Earth soil and not a single human delegation or army show up to intervene, it's there that my suspension of disbelief reach its limits.
For me, with Bayformers, it was the opposite. I grew up with Toho films. Humans are there to scream, run away and/or be ineffective military fodder. That normally ends up doing one of the two former options. Being active participants in an Alien war, which uses technology far more advanced than our own? I don't buy it for a second. Let alone when our technology can harm a giant alien robot
I on the other hand find it awfully boring when the Transformers couldn't be hurt by human weaponry, sure not like hand guns or anything, but a round from a tank is going to hurt literally anything that isn't at least a Combiner, let alone more brutal means of offensive like airstrikes, etc.
If humans can't hurt them, than that should mean that they couldn't even hurt each other.
Like if the Decepticons could just squash the military in a couple hours than what would ever be the point of them disguising each other and being Deceptive? It makes the story more interesting when the Decepticons actually have a good reason not to go all out.
It ended up being too far in the extreme in the Bay films, but the answer will never be to make them invincible to human stuff, because of the reasons I stated and it gives humans little relevance in the franchise that only works when their around, Transformers has never been at it's best with the absence of humans and never will.
Their Aliens, not gods.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Deadput wrote:If humans can't hurt them, than that should mean that they couldn't even hurt each other.
Except their weapons, are as highly advanced as they are. Human weapons in contrast, are primitive and mostly ballistic based. Ion Cannons, Particle Cannons, Fusion Cannons etc, etc are on another level to bullets, shells and missiles. It amounts to the evolutionary equivalent of medieval archers battling fighter jets.
A part of the fandom tends to forget the Transformers are highly advanced artificial alien life forms. Not Earth-based robots that morph into cars.Deadput wrote:Like if the Decepticons could just squash the military in a couple hours than what would ever be the point of them disguising each other and being Deceptive? It makes the story more interesting when the Decepticons actually have a good reason not to go all out.
Infiltration. When IDW first started (and was good). It went into specifics on this. Cybertronians being 'Robots in disguise' isn't a method exclusive to Earth. It is a long term strategy employed where ever Transformers land. Because they typically have smaller numbers and fuelling concerns. It is never stated in any fiction to be due to fear.
MaximalNui wrote:Honestly, my issue was never with not showing humans; it's with even bothering setting the series on present-day Earth if they're never going to meaningfully interact with humans. Why couldn't this be an alien planet, or another Cybertronian colony?
Sabrblade wrote:Though, we know the real reason the show had to be set on Earth: The backstory lore that Hasbro pushed on the Cyberverse people says that Earth is the planet the AllSpark landed on, so the show had to take place there until the AllSpark was found.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Though, we know the real reason the show had to be set on Earth: The backstory lore that Hasbro pushed on the Cyberverse people says that Earth is the planet the AllSpark landed on, so the show had to take place there until the AllSpark was found.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:IIRC, EarthSpark is going back to the normal 22-minute episode runtime, yes.
Cyberverse was given no favors by Hasbro or any of its networks. It was originally supposed to have normal 22-minute-long episode runtimes, but somewhere along the way, someone higher up was like "Nah, bro, ten minutes!" It's as if they were like "We want you to make a show for us but we're gonna be super cheap about how much money we give you to make it," among with many other constraints like how the first season was required to tie-in with the Bumblebee movie by having Bee as the star, voiceless, and amnesiac (after season 1, they deliberately focused less and less on Bumblebee, even when Hasbro added his name to the show's title in seasons 3-4; the show's writers basically ignored that and pretended it was still just "Transformers: Cyberverse" instead of "Transformers Bumblebee: Cyberverse Adventures").
MaximalNui wrote:
Besides, there's another aspect of humans to consider: we learn and adapt. Even the Toho films have them developing stuff like Mechagodzilla, The Oxygen Destroyer or the Gotengo. And then you have to consider the Autobots possibly sharing technology and helping humans, or merely humans studying leftovers from the latest battles. It'd be unrealistic for them to start as mere cannon fodder and stay as mere cannon fodder the whole run. And frankly, static characters that never learn, improve or adapt are just annoying to me, whether they're cannon fodder, comedic relief or Leeroy Jenkins.
MaximalNui wrote:Back to the topic at hand, though, does anyone else read the synopsis about "a new generation of Transformers caught between the Autobot/Decepticon war" and think back to the Mini-Cons of Armada?
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One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
To be completely honest, the boy in the center is the one who probably looks the best in this pic.Slashercon wrote:Not going to lie, this promo art looks kinda ugly. The few seconds of footage that was shown a while back definitely looked better than this. Still curious about the show but this picture doesn't do it any favors.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Indeed.Randomhero wrote:It’s based more on the evergreen/cyberverse design than the T30. You can even see the windshield peeking in the promo picture.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Randomhero wrote:It’s based more on the evergreen/cyberverse design than the T30. You can even see the windshield peeking in the promo picture.
Sabrblade wrote:To be completely honest, the boy in the center is the one who probably looks the best in this pic.Slashercon wrote:Not going to lie, this promo art looks kinda ugly. The few seconds of footage that was shown a while back definitely looked better than this. Still curious about the show but this picture doesn't do it any favors.
Sabrblade wrote:To be completely honest, the boy in the center is the one who probably looks the best in this pic.Slashercon wrote:Not going to lie, this promo art looks kinda ugly. The few seconds of footage that was shown a while back definitely looked better than this. Still curious about the show but this picture doesn't do it any favors.
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