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Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:48 pm

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Evil Eye wrote:The problem isn't "Black characters in my TF cartoon!" (again- Animated and even, as much as I disliked the pacing and story, Prime did representation SUPER well). The problem is "Every single main human character is black with the sole exception of ONE Filipino character (who is so poorly designed it's hard to tell he is) and the white villain. My biggest gripe (aside from the fact I cannot see this thing selling well, which ultimately doesn't affect me) is if this was the other way around it'd be torn apart as white supremacy or something. An entirely white family (with one token minority) and the only black character being a villain would set off alarm bells, and for good reason. So why should we excuse it when it's the other way around? It's just lazy.


So there's two parts here.

The first part is you have a problem with the bulk of the human characters not being white.

The second part is you ASSUMING if it were the other way around it would be called out as white supremacy.

Yeah ... sorry, but I don't see a problem with the first part, and the second part is just you working on an assumption based on your own opinion.

It's a cartoon FFS.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:59 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And it's not like there haven't been lots of TV shows about African American families before. The Jeffersons, Family Matters, The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, the list goes on. And just those three were all great successes and well-beloved by many people from all walks of life.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby First-Aid » Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:04 am

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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:35 am

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First-Aid wrote:Can I get a temporary Admin placement please?

It'd be like looking into the heart of the TARDIS (hopefully you get the reference), even the shortest exposure will make you go insane. Image
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby First-Aid » Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:42 am

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First-Aid wrote:Can I get a temporary Admin placement please?

It'd be like looking into the heart of the TARDIS (hopefully you get the reference), even the shortest exposure will make you go insane. Image


I'm already insane and I have the meds to prove it. I'll go Rose Tyler on it for sure...
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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby VCF4 » Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:36 am

OH lord, I see we have the 13/50 crowd infesting the Transformers fandom too now. Ok. Here we go. Literally created this account to discuss this nonsense.


So, the main cast being an all black family is unrealistic and a bad sign of diversity because you brought up statistics of blacks being only 15% of the population and it's not realistic, blah blah blah and a whole bunch white nationalist nonsense disguised as a false care of diversity.

Somehow, you have a problem with an all black family as the main cast because of the statistics, but since the main villain is a white person, why do you ALSO have a problem with that? Statistics would make that the most common skin color the villain would be, correct? Whites are the (dwindling) majority in the USA still, so why wouldn't the villain be white? It seems you have no problem using statistics to weaponize your lowkey racism but when the statistics don't favor you, you then try and do the whole "go woke go broke agenda uWu".

You wrote out entire essays when you could have just summed it up with "I think whites should only be represented in America."

It's always some weirdo with a weeb profile picture that spouts this nonsense. Every. Time.

Oh and as far as the whole Rippaverse, the guy is backed by The Blaze, so let's not kid ourselves. He is making money off of controversy and the fact that most white nationalists have money to throw around to try and fight the losing culture war.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Evil Eye » Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:12 am

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Funny, I had the exact opposite experience. I used to be bright-eyed, bushy-tailed and VERY liberal. I was the kind of person to be calling people "bigots". But as is the fate of all liberals/progressives, I fell behind the cutting-edge and became branded an other. I started being called "racist" for not judging people by the colour of their skin. I started being called "sexist" for considering women as equals who should be treated the same as men. And for trying to defend myself, for wondering what I was doing wrong when I'd never had a discriminatory bone in my body? I was further chastised, at best belittled and patronized, at worst yelled at.

People started accusing me of things I KNEW I was innocent of, and furthermore I was told because I was completely unaware of what I was supposedly doing wrong, because I maintained I hadn't done anything, I was even MORE harmful to "the cause" whatever that cause was. I was "privileged" (something I've literally never been FWIW- growing up as an autistic boy with my own rather screwed up family background and being stuck in a mainstream school environment, THEN being forced through specialist schools so appalling they later got investigated for criminal neglect and abuse, was anything but "privileged" and being white probably made things even worse, as looking back had I been some other race I could have at the very least "pulled the race card") and thus the devil.

But I wasn't going to just go along with it. I'd never been any of the things they'd accused me of, but I was definitely not a particularly compliant person. So I didn't just do as I was told- I looked it up. And what did I find?

I found everything they were saying was an absolute load of nonsense, being spouted by people with nothing better to worry about, probably to get a measure of control over other people.

Every source I looked to reinforced this belief. Things I KNEW to be true- basic, simple common sense- was completely cast aside by these people. Racism wasn't, to them, hating someone based on their race, but "a system of privilege and power in which minorities are oppressed by white people" whatever that was supposed to mean. In other words; only white people can be racist, and everyone else has the right to accuse them of racism without backing anything up.

It's not rocket science to see this is complete dreck; even if we assume that "racism" can only be committed by those in positions of "privilege-based power", that varies SO much from place to place. Go to a country (or even community) where the majority is another race, and they'll be the ones with "privilege-based power". Like, if I were to go to China for some reason, being white English isn't going to afford me any privilege or power over the locals. If anything I'll be at a social disadvantage, as I'll be either distrusted ("Hmmm, an obvious foreigner, chances are he's not very fond of the CCP") or outright hated ("Goddamn Brit, those guys wiped the floor with us over a century ago"). Neither of which are exactly conducive to gaining "privilege-based power".

So these people were making these bizarre claims as if they were objective truth when anyone with half a neuron could tell, you know, they weren't. Why? Why did they believe so fervently in something that was utterly, obviously wrong?

I looked deeper, coincidentally as the socio-political climate began to worsen. It began to make sense. It wasn't based on actual belief in what they were saying. It was based on fear- fear of not fitting in with the hip and trendy crowd, and fear of retaliation, either from their "friends", from the supposedly "oppressed" minorities they claimed to champion (most of whom, in my experience, either don't care or consider such attitudes hilarious at best and insulting at worst) or from "higher" places (academic staff, employers or even most frighteningly of all, government agencies threatening disciplinary action if they don't follow the party line).

At first I thought these people were incredibly stupid and easily manipulated by those even more fervently deluded than themselves- I attributed the worst of such madness to third-wave feminism but nothing deeper than that. As things got worse, however, things seemed more complex than I first thought, but also more in-focus.

Former icons around which these movements revolved were either forgotten about or, if they failed to move with the ever-shifting standards of "progress", were outright reviled and cast aside, such as J.K. Rowling. Once beloved by those sorts of people for her support of transformative work, diversity and so on, when the mantra changed from "Women are more oppressed than men" to "Women don't have to be women to be women" (advocating for the use of the phrase "person who menstruates" instead of, you know, WOMAN), Rowling was quite rightly more than a little confused by this sudden twist of the official narrative...and was immediately condemned as a "hateful evil bigoted TERF" (a term which was likely invented for the event). Not only was she now an unperson, but history itself was rewritten to portray that she had ALWAYS been terrible and nobody had ever really liked her or found merit in what she did. It was straight out of Orwell's 1984; when the powers that be (regardless of whether it's the government or Twitter) say something is so and have control over the information, then it is so, and whatever they say happened, happened, even if it completely contradicts what they said a few minutes ago.

Meanwhile, anyone who disagreed with them, be they people like me who were outpaced years ago or people like J.K. Rowling who simply failed to keep up with the times and became "obsolete", were increasingly demonized, and in many cases over bizarrely specific things. Over the years this went from bad to worse to ungodly awful- first was the case of some talentless "game developer" receiving suspiciously good publicity for a mediocre product from people she was personally involved with, and when people noticed this they were branded as an evil harassment campaign for asking the wrong questions.

Then it got worse as more and more people started falling victim to the same thing as me (being judged "outmoded" for refusing to join their borderline cult of self-flagellation) and were subsequently branded enemies of common decency. Then came 2016; people had taken enough, and many people who either identified as or had been forced towards the political right wing, in varying degrees and with many opinions, formed "the Alt-Right" which basically just meant "falls under the right-wing umbrella to some degree but does not fully dovetail with mainstream right-wing neoconservative diktat". It was barely a political affiliation so much as a catch-all phrase to describe those annoyed to some degree or another about the way the world was going and how a particular sect of left-wing crybullies had far too much power, regardless of whether they were ultra-independent AnCap libertarians, staunch social conservatives, or just regular people who generally leaned right-of-centre.

Of course, having a united front to stand against the madness would have been far too dangerous, so between the media smearing the Alt-Right as all being literal Nazis and controlled opposition like Mike Cernovich and other idiots dragging the movement's name through the mud, it was abandoned. As such, nobody actually identifies as Alt-Right anymore, and it's just become another slur to be used to refer to thoughtcrime committers.

But 2016 wasn't over. Donald Trump, who for his many flaws represented someone who WASN'T part of the establishment machine (and also wasn't Hillary Clinton) stood for president and won the election. The fact that all the people who had been increasingly decrying us as evil and backwards seemed to hate him was a good sign. And things seemed to be on the mend- surely with all their efforts for naught and the Bad Orange Man in power they'd HAVE to concede defeat, right?

Heh, no!

His term went by, and they doubled down. Every single thing Trump did, regardless of what it was, was portrayed as some evil twisted act of villainy...even if it had been endorsed as a good thing before he did it. Increase maternity pay? EVIL. Crack down on human trafficking? FASCIST. Try and pull out of the endless meatgrinder that was Afghanistan? MONSTROUS. Not to mention such controversial acts as suggesting the country had control over its own borders, potentially blocking flights from countries basically under the iron heel of terrorist groups, or worst of all simply existing in the same country as the infamous "child cage" ICE detention centres...set up by Obama.

Quotes were taken out of context. Anything the man said or did was an act of Satan. Outright LIES were told. And anyone who challenged the media line was a braindead hick at best or a conspiracy nut terrorist at worst. Because even though Trump was president, the country was ruled by the media, and the media had a vested interest in getting rid of him. The Russian collusion narrative had fallen totally flat and they were pretty desperate. By this point, I and basically everybody else not fully in the Establishment Cult had lost all faith in almost everything mainstream. We'd been pushed from being normal, tolerant people to being nasty ignorant bumpkins in need of re-educating to horrible hateful troglodytes to literal terrorists in less than a decade. We weren't falling for it anymore.

The years rolled by, and for all the falsified accusations, Youtube Poop-tier context removal of footage with him in and the SHOCK discovery that he had TWO SCOOPS of ice cream, Trump still had support and was still in power. What could be done?

Well around the end of 2019, a laboratory in Wuhan which DEFINITELY didn't have ANY ties to ANY United States organizations or companies, ESPECIALLY not Bill Gates or the Clintons, was producing- and leaked- an 'orrible virus onto the world. There were suggestions it might have been a lab leak, but the prevailing story was it was from locals eating bat soup. Sure enough, China's abysmal hygiene standards allowed it to spread worldwide, and before we knew it, the world had Coronavirus on its hands.

Blame was flung everywhere but the Chinese- initially this would have been for EATING BATS, but later (after the soup cover story was dropped) for manufacturing and either intentionally leaking or accidentally releasing a potentially lethal virus. And initially, even I was fooled. I was thinking "Oh god, it's the end of the world!".

But things didn't add up. First they said "Well the Chinese say it's nothing to worry about, carry on as usual!". Then it became clear it had escaped China and the tune changed to "Well be careful, but don't panic!". The it was obvious it was absolutely everywhere and the story immediately changed to "Stay in your homes and never leave, there's nothing that can stop it and if you catch it, you WILL die! Not China's fault though!". Then people suggested wearing masks (like the Japanese do when they're suffering a cold) and we were told they didn't work...until we were eventually told we HAD to wear them if we were doing anything. So already, things were pretty inconsistent about this virus story.

Shortly after lockdowns became a thing, people started wondering if it was really all that awful. After all, most of the "footage" of people dropping dead was from China, known for basically lying about everything if they thought it would give them an edge in some way. And most of the deaths were from the old and infirm who were already just as likely to die from regular influnenza. Not nice, but not worth locking the world down over. Sure enough a few friends of mine caught it, and all of them had the same response- "It wasn't nice, but it was never life threatening".

Then it emerged that hospitals were attributing deaths of people tested positive for- or just exposed to- Covid to the disease regardless of what actually killed them (up to and including gunshot wounds), with the intention of getting extra funding from the government to "help" with the Covid problem. We started getting deeply suspicious. Clearly there was an agenda at work to keep people frightened of a nasty case of the sniffles.

So once the vaccine debacle began, it's no surprise that many of us were highly skeptical. For one, vaccines take years to develop and decades to prove safe for use. These were "ready" in less than a year. To make matters worse the early volunteers began suffering alarming side effects outside the usual vaccine nastiness. Horrible nausea, permanent weakness and heart problems, infertility and actual deaths. But we were told not only that his was normal and nothing to worry about, but that if you had any doubts at all you were a dangerous tinfoil hat wearer and should be shunned.

Obviously, many of us outright refused to touch the stuff, and even those that did eventually relent did not take the thousands of boosters "required". Especially when it was later claimed that if you didn't take the vaccine you were endangering people...despite the entire point of vaccines being that if you took it, you were immune, and thus the only people at risk would be people without the vaxx.

So between this apparently being the only vaccine in history where the problems are traceable to people who DIDN'T take it, the sheer media push to get jabbed, and the horrible side effects, it became very obvious that the thing was a damn poison and should be avoided, to the point even Trump took flak from his supporters for encouraging it.

Oh yes, Trump, whatever happened to him? Despite the country being plunged into disarray by this meme virus and the people in charge of managing it making a royal mess of things, he was still very popular. So the election rolled around, this time against Joe Biden, a creature so utterly senile and barely functional that any reason for voting for him beyond the already tenuous "I don't like Bad Orange Man" would be grounds for carting off to an asylum...and Biden won.

Except not really. People had been warning for the past 4 years about election meddling after the absolute tantrum the media (and their followers) threw in 2016. They accused Trump of vote-rigging after all, and seeing as those suggestions were laughed out, there was a good chance they'd try it themselves hoping for the same benefit of the doubt. So sure enough, when Biden came out ahead, it was with utterly ridiculous shifts in voting patterns (overnight jumps in favour of Biden), many uncounted ballots, ludicrously high voter turnouts in areas known for anything but that, and many cases of illegal immigrants and THE DEAD having their votes counted. It was obvious, as had been foretold, that there had been a bamboozling.

Naturally people were pissed. Very, very angry in fact. So it probably didn't take much prodding from (now admitted) federal agents to provoke a raid on the White House by a small army of furious people who had witnessed the last flame of what little remained of democracy in America snuffed out. And honestly, a psy-op though it may have been, it was pretty damn impressive.

The elite of the elite were cowering under tables, fearing for their lives. They had thought they were in for an easy victory, but the people who had been cajoled into attacking the seat of power- probably by them no less- were a bit better at it than they expected. There were pathetic statements after the fact that "We will not be intimidated by terrorists" but it was too late- they had already been intimidated, for all to see.

Unfortunately there was no happy ending where the people responsible for the fraud were hung from the rafters and the tree of liberty got a good bloody watering. Predictably the whole thing was over fairly quickly, the media pushed their ridiculous story about how it was the worst moment in American history (forgetting that events such as Pearl Harbor and 9/11 happened, and even they couldn't be said to be the worst), everyone who showed as much as a wry smile for the people who stormed the Capitol were demonized as domestic terrorists (forgetting the fact that governments are SUPPOSED to be scared silly of their own people, and that if there is no other option, violent removal of the lying gits is entirely justified), Ashlee Babbit (probably spelled that wrong) was murdered, yet got a much dimmer view from the media than violent fentanyl-addicted felon George Floyd, and worst? Biden was in power.

Of course things have only gotten even more diabolical since then. Biden has stumbled his way through his term without somehow ceasing to function in the middle of one of his many incoherent rambles. The media has become more and more blatant in its attempts to put everyone who won't follow orders to the tee onto the political naughty step. And the definition of "good person" has become more and more twisted. We're already seeing defences of children being subjected to chemical castration based on hormonal confusion- confusion which whilst once well understood as a part of growing up and just a phase everyone goes through, has now become an opportunity to try and convince these impressionable youth that all their problems would go away if they took hormone pills and underwent weird "therapy", all without their parents' knowledge of course. To the point where when the Florida governor suggested "you know, we probably shouldn't allow strangers to lead children astray without their parents being able to do anything about it" he was accused of being literally Hitler, a transphobe and a homophobe (baffling given that plenty- and I mean PLENTY- of gay people have come out in support of the guy and have made it utterly clear that children do NOT need exposing to that sort of thing, but oh wait, they're probably "internalized homophobes" or something). And now we're seeing the beginning of the slow but inevitable move to normalizing outright pedophilia.

So, where from here? I (and many other people) have become so utterly disgusted with the state of modernity that I'm basically not playing anymore. If there's a piece of media I want to consume, unless the creator is someone I actually want to support and not either a supporter of, or on the payroll of supporters of, the modern establishment, I pirate it. If there's a product available that I need that doesn't line the pockets of these devil-worshipping scum, I purchase it. And if there's a chance to stand against the creeping decay of civilization, I take it.

Ironically, the cries of "white privilege" that turned you the way you went have set me and many others down the righteous- if difficult- path away from the modern narrative. The same criticisms that turned you into a self-flagellating coward have turned me (and us) into what I'm sure the media would call "dangerous domestic terrorists" for not just hating myself like a good boy. I won't just consume product and get excited for the next product, and I will ask questions. I will not be made to feel bad because someone has told me that I've hurt them by not sharing their exact opinions. And if I am tread upon (as I suspect I will be, given the ever tightening noose of government control in the Western hemisphere) I will bite. Hard.

But it's not too late for you either, in fact it's pretty inevitable. Eventually the Next Big Thing will be something you find utterly disgusting or just confusing, and when you voice your complaint, you will be branded a heretic and cast in the pile with the rest of us. And then you'll see "Ah, right. That's what he was on about."

So in short- either carry on down this path until you get thrown aside for not completely sacrificing every last shred of your dignity, or quitting whilst you're ahead, checking out the other side and seeing we're not the irrational, evil monsters the media has painted us as.

Which way, Western man?
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:14 am

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Yay, finally got to watch the clip as the Canadian video worked. What's with the obsession of stranger shows with kids riding bikes? That's not been a thing since armada haha

Also shortest roles ever, the kids died repairing the bikes in the middle of the road or when they jumped off the road so yay? Definitely not an educational show.

Id comment about the transformers but they pretty much weren't in the video... O. O maybe a slow burner but will probably be worth giving a chance.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:40 am

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blackeyedprime wrote:Definitely not an educational show.


I'll reiterate that the original show had the Autobots drive from Mount St. Hilary (Oregon) to continental Africa. In one scene transition. The series has never been great on educational accuracy. :lol:
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:25 am

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Jesus christ dude nobody needs your manifesto. Show me on the doll where the black main cast in the kids show hurt you. Black people exist and interesting things can happen to them. Your racist tirade is getting you the attention you so desire, in fact I came here from a reddit thread complaining about you, so congratulations on your internet notoriety. I'd have to dig through way too much crap to try to pull your head out of your ass and frankly it's not worth my energy, so enjoy the smell up there.

moving on.

When I saw the first promotional art I wasn't really digging the art style. When I saw the voice cast yesterday I was excited by the notion of Alan Tudyk as optimus prime. And then when the trailer dropped I was impressed. It looks really good! I haen't watched a series properly since Prime. Seen the first season of RID15 and it's okay but not really doing anything for me. Only seen clips of Cyberverse and I should see more because it seems funny. But this might be the show that really brings me back to watching the current show. Cant' wait for it to start!
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:30 am

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Well, I am "liberal" and I still have pretty much liberal views since ever. But the current Left became insane. People blind to it like Burn will be forced into reality sooner or later by the crazies. Many LOST THEIR JOBS or were "cancelled" for a pretty normal opinion they said either recently, 2, 5, or 10 years ago.

The goal posts are ever changing.

Just ask J.K Rowling, William Shatner, Chris Prat, Beth Midler, Bill Maher, Lacy Green, Gina Carano and more...

So, I say it again. I am NOT calling this upcoming TF show "woke". I have no clear cut clues that it will be. I simply whish it will not be. It's that simple.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:32 am

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A hopefully region free trailer, at last!

EDIT: Interesting premise. Kind of gives me Transtector/Mini-Con/Headmaster vibes. Mr. Nobody as Optimus Prime amuses me, too. Nice to see Bombshell return also.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:21 am

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Well, appart the usual illogical writing of "WE WERE JUST ATTACKED MY FREAKING ALIENS AND ALMOST RUN OVER BY A TRUCK THEN ALMOST FELL OFF A BRIDGE TO OUR DEATH BUT LETS ARGUE LIKE NOTING IMPORTANT HAPPENED" :roll:
errrrrrhhhhh...........
This looks way, way better than Cyberverse and the alien encounter premise is interesting.

Once again, what's up with that bridge scene? As if that event was supposed to happen long AFTER the kids met the alien robots. Especially with their INHUMAN ENDURANCE that those kids can fall from several meters high on a hard surface and shrug it off like it's nothing. It would make much more sense if it happened AFTER they got their bracelets. Bracelets that gives some defensive abilities on top of everything they will do.

Well, if the only writing mistakes are silly nit-picks like this, this show may be very entertaining for the right AND wrong reasons. :lol:
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Evil Eye » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:21 am

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Jesus christ dude nobody needs your manifesto.

Nobody needs half the crap that gets posted on the internet and yet here we are. But more to the point, if someone's going to write a condescending, smug, holier-than-thou and flat-out WRONG "you'll be like me eventually!" post like Dr. Caelus did, they can expect a retaliation. Personally I think the fact I wrote an extensive, detailed yet CIVIL explanation of why he's wrong, how I got to this point and why he'll get to this point too was quite admirable, especially as I could have just written "Lol yeah whatevs ur mum have big gay lol" and, whilst it wouldn't have made any actual appreciable difference to his current perception of me and would have been quicker and easier, would have lowered me to his level.
Show me on the doll where the black main cast in the kids show hurt you.

They...didn't? It doesn't offend me or whatever you think it does, it just makes me wonder where the demand is coming from more than anything. It just seems like a very strange choice?
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...Where did I imply otherwise? Agent Fowler was like my favourite character from Prime- in fact I really really liked him despite finding Prime overall a kind of not particularly good show.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:23 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote: Especially with their INHUMAN ENDURANCE that those kids can fall from several meters high on a hard surface and shrug it off like it's nothing.


It's ok though. They were wearing their crash helmets.. :P
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Jul 24, 2022 6:26 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote: Especially with their INHUMAN ENDURANCE that those kids can fall from several meters high on a hard surface and shrug it off like it's nothing.


It's ok though. They were wearing their crash helmets.. :P


I thought the same thing!

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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Dr. Caelus » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:06 am

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Jesus christ dude nobody needs your manifesto.

Nobody needs half the crap that gets posted on the internet and yet here we are. But more to the point, if someone's going to write a condescending, smug, holier-than-thou and flat-out WRONG "you'll be like me eventually!" post like Dr. Caelus did, they can expect a retaliation. Personally I think the fact I wrote an extensive, detailed yet CIVIL explanation of why he's wrong, how I got to this point and why he'll get to this point too was quite admirable, especially as I could have just written "Lol yeah whatevs ur mum have big gay lol" and, whilst it wouldn't have made any actual appreciable difference to his current perception of me and would have been quicker and easier, would have lowered me to his level.


Why would you think anyone actually read that? I read the first paragraph and moved on. Lord, how obsessed with you would someone have to be to actually do more than that???

That said, I'm glad to see my words made enough of an impression that you felt it necessary to spend that much time and energy trying to justify your point of view. I used to do that too, complete with the "OMG, the world is crazy, I'm persecuted for being right" victimhood B.S., so maybe you're on that long, slow arc to becoming a better person, even if you don't know it right now.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Evil Eye » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:37 am

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Dr. Caelus wrote:
Evil Eye wrote:Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!
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Evil Eye wrote:[wall of text]

Jesus christ dude nobody needs your manifesto.

Nobody needs half the crap that gets posted on the internet and yet here we are. But more to the point, if someone's going to write a condescending, smug, holier-than-thou and flat-out WRONG "you'll be like me eventually!" post like Dr. Caelus did, they can expect a retaliation. Personally I think the fact I wrote an extensive, detailed yet CIVIL explanation of why he's wrong, how I got to this point and why he'll get to this point too was quite admirable, especially as I could have just written "Lol yeah whatevs ur mum have big gay lol" and, whilst it wouldn't have made any actual appreciable difference to his current perception of me and would have been quicker and easier, would have lowered me to his level.


Why would you think anyone actually read that? I read the first paragraph and moved on. Lord, how obsessed with you would someone have to be to actually do more than that???

It's called having an attention span beyond that of a five year old. You should try it some time!
That said, I'm glad to see my words made enough of an impression that you felt it necessary to spend that much time and energy trying to justify your point of view. I used to do that too, complete with the "OMG, the world is crazy, I'm persecuted for being right" victimhood B.S., so maybe you're on that long, slow arc to becoming a better person, even if you don't know it right now.

Hey, if a job's worth doing it's worth doing well, even if that job is "retorting to a smug idiot talking down to someone about how they only believe what they do because of "privilege"- from an ADMITTED position of privilege (just not the kind he thinks he has)".

And yes, the world IS insane right now. Hence why a man literally incapable of operating stairs or HIS OWN MOUTH is in the (officially) most powerful position on the planet. And no, I'm not happy about it. Heck, if the Dems wanted to get rid of Bad Orange Man so badly, why didn't they just allow Bernie "Comrade Freestuff" Sanders to run? He's popular and wouldn't have NEEDED voter fraud. Oh wait, because in spite of being a delusional borderline socialist, he's also got a set of actual principles and isn't quite as easy to be manipulated as Sleepy Joe.

As far as "slow arc to becoming a better person" I dread to think what YOUR idea of me as a "better person" looks like. Presumably a far more compliant, docile and meek little drone who will do as they're told, believe what they're expected to and never raise a finger against their "betters". Shame-based intellectual slavery in short.

So no. I WILL become a better person- but it will be MY definition of a better person, and NOT yours. No amount of gaslighting, condescension, dishonesty or generally despicable behaviour will change that. And you know what else? Me and people like me are becoming more common. The edifice to Moloch your ideology has built will crumble. Eventually there will be fewer and fewer people on "your side" either because they've seen the light or because they've been exposed as the monstrously evil excuses for people they are (side note, has anyone noticed the HUGE amount of progressive "activists" who have been discovered to be sex pests or pedophiles?) until you will be alone.

But you know something? Even then- assuming you haven't also been exposed as a predator (in which case I sincerely hope a Hell exists, because that's where sexual predators belong) I'll welcome you with open arms when you realize you were wrong and that your entire ideology was based on lies. I'm not even expecting grovelling or pleas for mercy, I'm not an edgelord after all. A simple "Whoops, I actually believed that?" would be fine- and I'll just say "Hey, we all get scammed from time to time" and then we can talk about Transformers or something else.

Until then, believe whatever makes you comfortable. Just don't act high and mighty around people who don't believe the same.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Dr. Caelus » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:01 am

Evil Eye wrote:It's called having an attention span beyond that of a five year old. You should try it some time!



A marketable memoir is 80,000 to 90,000 words.

That one post is 3,421 words.

You literally wrote over 4% of a memoir, for a single sob story post. And you thought that people would read it? That they should read it?

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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Evil Eye » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:09 am

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Evil Eye wrote:It's called having an attention span beyond that of a five year old. You should try it some time!



A marketable memoir is 80,000 to 90,000 words.

That one post is 3,421 words.

You literally wrote over 4% of a memoir, for a single sob story post. And you thought that people would read it? That they should read it?

Wow.

So you admit you didn't read it, but also dismiss it as a "sob story". 'cause THAT doesn't come across as dismissive or patronizing at all!

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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Dr. Caelus » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:21 am

Evil Eye wrote:So you admit you didn't read it, but also dismiss it as a "sob story".


I read the first paragraph, which was enough to get the gist. Unless there was a plot twist in there somewhere, in which case you're not following through with your thesis, which would be pretty crap writing for nonfiction.

'cause THAT doesn't come across as dismissive or patronizing at all!


I've literally said your opinion is the result of youthful naivete. I think it came across exactly how I intended it to.

You are not as smart as you think you are.


I'm not sure how smart you think I think I am, but I didn't write a 3,421 word post for a room full of strangers that aren't going to read it.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:50 am

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PFCMoon10 wrote:I'm new here so forgive me for not knowing how to respond properly, but to the gentleman Evil Eye; youre reasoning for your first comment mentioned that black fans wouldn't even want this. Now I know I am paraphrasing so I do suggest you all read his comments fully, but, unless you are black what place or right do you have to speak on our behalf? Even if you talked to 100 black fans you still don't get to speak for what we do and don't want. I was born in 1995 and while most of the older stuff I watched was secondhand, one show I really loved was armada and animated. Carlos was a brown character and so was Sari. Also the villains of animated were all white and that wasn't an issue, so why now? I grew up with two loving parents and a younger brother and this show finally give me a chance to see characters who look like me join in the adventure. Yes I am happy that a black family is the lead cast because representation matters. This show paints us in a positive and non stereotypical way and that's all I've ever wanted. It already hurts enough when I get discriminated against in real life but to come here and see it?

Like dude, it's not woke or an agenda. We just want a chance to be represented and to join in the story. Why do some of you get so upset for that? And you complain about the only villains being white bothers me even more. Transformers isn't suddenly about to demonize all white people by making them villains. And NO. This show isn't just aimed at black people. If I can enjoy Generation 1 even though the main cast is white there's no reason you can't look past the main characters here being black. Let us have a chance to be the lead without making us feel terrible for it. We're not a political device, we are human beings and when we read other fans saying stuff like this it hurts us and makes us feel like we'll never be truly accepted by the Fandom. I've always wanted to draw transformers comics and be involved with the brand but comments like Evil Eyes make me think that might never happen. You can not like the designs, that's fine, but the whole Black comment and White villains comment was unnecessary.
PFCMoon10 wrote:Evil Eye, you can go find my first response to your comments. I was gonna a keep responding but the fact kne of your reasoning for your comments was "they only represent 15 percent of america" line irritated me. You can't identify with me because of .y skin color. You're trying to act like you aren't but your reasoning are jusy so bigoted. I grew up in a military household in the burbs and have two parents, a dog, a brother, fenced in yard; I had the most text book american experiences and I'm black but your saying non of that matter because I'm black and people can't identify with me? People like you make fans like us so unwelcome. I come here happy because the show I grew up with has some characters that finally look like me. No agenda, no pro black message, just positive representation of us as normal American people and you pick that apart and then try to say what minorities want? I have to deal with this in real life and now my favorite Fandom I've loved as a kid is filled with guys disapproving of a show solely based on the fact they aren't white. You are incredibly racist and you just remind .e that no matter how hard I try to be an upstanding guy, there are people like you who will never give me the credit or equality we strive for. This who exchange and your responses just made me majorly upset. You just solidified the idea that we (minorities) will never be fully accepted in this Fandom. Jeez man, what made you like this?
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:52 am

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ok... to hopefully put this show on a different track...even though my comments aren't all positive...

Again, the animation doesn't look "great", but definitely better than Cyberverse. Someone many pages back, before the chaos; mentioned this show looks like it has the largest budget since Prime, which to me is at least a step in the right direction. Lets just hope they utilized it properly to get some great writers to develop an awesome story. I have no issues with the makeup of the cast (human or TF) so far.

Knowing that Alan Tudyk is Optimus is an interesting choice. He has done some great voice work in animation, film, etc... But I'm not sure he is right for voicing Optimus, only time will tell. Also I cold have sworn the actor for BB was the same from Cyberverse (looked it up, it isn't), but I guess wanting BB to sound like a teenager seems to be the current trend.

I mean I know form the beginning BB was supposed to be the "youngest" Autobot, the kid identifying character, but in 1984, when I heard Dan Gilvezan, I immediately associated him with Spider-Man (from his amazing friends). Oddly enough I grew up in the 80's and 90's with a Peter Parker who was already an adult. I know he started out as a teen in the 60's, but my Spidey will always be "grown up" Spidey, so I associated BB as more a "Bigger Brother" to Spike rather than his peer.

Oddly enough, when BB made his triumphant return in 21st century Media he was mostly Mute until Will Friedel got the job, also a young adult, so that's how I've always associated the character/voice.

a younger "kid" BB is very hard to get used to, but I understand it is a kids show, and why it was purposely done in Cybervese, and now ES. I just hope it doesn't get too annoying.

While I did watch the entirety of Cyberverse, there was just no enjoyment in it for me. I have no desire to revisit it ever again. (And I know this will come across as heresy, as bad as WFC was on Netflix, I can at least see myself watching it again at some point; there was some sort of entertainment value in it for me). At this point I am ever-so slightly more optimistic about ES, even though it too is a kids show, I'm hoping I can, even as an old guy, find some entertainment value in it.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Evil Eye » Sun Jul 24, 2022 11:00 am

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Evil Eye wrote:So you admit you didn't read it, but also dismiss it as a "sob story".


I read the first paragraph, which was enough to get the gist. Unless there was a plot twist in there somewhere, in which case you're not following through with your thesis, which would be pretty crap writing for nonfiction.

I'll have to take this sage advice across the internet- if you make any effort at all to explain things in detail, you're writing a "sob story" and nobody's gonna read it.

'cause THAT doesn't come across as dismissive or patronizing at all!


I was literally saying your opinion was the result of youthful naivete. I think it came across exactly how I intended it to.

And guess what, you're wrong. Like, completely wrong. "Youthful naivete" is what leads people to believe lies because they've got "officially sanctioned liar" stamped next to the liar's name. It is certainly not what leads people to wonder who is dealing out the official seals of approval on these pre-packed lies and what they have to gain from the perversion of the truth. I'd give examples, but I KNOW your kind. For you, there is only a two-state system for people who don't consume the sanctioned lies. "Poor misled urchins who just aren't smart enough to keep quite and listen to the falsehoods" and "evil horrible no-good conspiracy theorists who want to incite hatred against the innocent lie factory". Like, the CLOSEST thing I can think of to an example that won't get you claiming a "gotcha! You're just an -ist!" is the highly dubious circumstances surrounding the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and whether they really were necessary evils to end the Second World War or if they were used as an excuse to try and intimidate the Soviets, at the cost of countless innocent lives and the health of humanity's very soul.
(Regardless of what the truth of that particular matter is by the way, even if they weren't the most lethal events in history, they're certainly the most ontologically evil, and by their creation and use, the United States effectively ended "war" and replaced it with "remote made-to-order genocide", and basically allowed Hell itself trespass onto the Earth. There is a very good reason that when you see Oppenheimer interviewed after the bombing he is completely broken by the weight of the sin he and his colleagues have committed.)

You are not as smart as you think you are.


I'm not sure how smart you think I think I am, but I didn't write a 3,421 word post for a room full of strangers that aren't going to read it.

I KNOW how smart you think you are- far smarter than you ACTUALLY are. Because for all your pompousness and superiority complex, you are unbelievably dense and incredibly sheltered. It'd be kinda adorable if it weren't so dangerous and also unpleasant.

You are the definition of a midwit. You believe that you are smarter than everyone who disagrees with you, despite the fact even the people who may legitimately know "less" than you are still closer to the truth than you are. And when you encounter anyone on par with, or heaven forbid MORE intelligent than you? You retreat, hide behind obnoxious attempts at deflection and try and evade the question for fear of being utterly humiliated. In fact you are too cowardly to properly engage with someone you've made clear you consider an intellectual lesser (me).

I'm not claiming to be the world's wisest man. I've met genuinely wise men- it's quite a humbling experience. What I AM however is principled. I do and say what I think is the RIGHT thing to do and say. Good grief, I'm sure you're far more academically accomplished than I am (somewhat redundant given how HOPELESSLY corrupt academia is to the point it's effectively a tool of the devil at this point but there we go). But I am confident enough in my stance that I will stand by it. Because I KNOW it is true, and I'm not a coward that will change their stance to suit popular opinion or make themselves look more intelligent than they actually are. You, however? You decry what you have yourself described as a very long post as nothing more than a "sob story" without even reading more than the first paragraph. Because even if you don't find any points that you feel refute your worldview, you might find something that suggests I'm NOT just some poor simpleton who will grow out of it later, that I might actually be committed to what I say. And you're too cowardly to even risk being proven wrong about that.

You are utterly bereft of any form of principles. You care more about how you are perceived by the outside world than what is actually true, and allowed yourself to be bullied and pressured into changing your worldview not based on any kind of actual epiphany or revelation, but simply out of a desire for approval. It's not even that changing your mind about things is ever wrong- I used to be pro-abortion for instance, whilst now I recognize it as the fundamentally vile act of infanticide it is. But that's not you. You weren't enlightened by the realization that your worldview was objectively wrong. You didn't want to be sneered at by the kind of preening, holier-than-thou but ultimately incredibly fragile pseudointellectual that you yourself have become.

It's not too late, but boy oh boy the clock is ticking.
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Re: Transformers Earthspark Show Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Jul 24, 2022 11:03 am

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o.supreme wrote:I mean I know form the beginning BB was supposed to be the "youngest" Autobot, the kid identifying character, but in 1984, when I heard Dan Gilvezan, I immediately associated him with Spider-Man (from his amazing friends). Oddly enough I grew up in the 80's and 90's with a Peter Parker who was already an adult. I know he started out as a teen in the 60's, but my Spidey will always be "grown up" Spidey, so I associated BB as more a "Bigger Brother" to Spike rather than his peer.

Oddly enough, when BB made his triumphant return in 21st century Media he was mostly Mute until Will Friedel got the job, also a young adult, so that's how I've always associated the character/voice.

a younger "kid" BB is very hard to get used to, but I understand it is a kids show, and why it was purposely done in Cybervese, and now ES. I just hope it doesn't get too annoying.
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Then Hot Shot became so popular that, when Bumblebee finally came back to TV in Animated, he was originally going to be Hot Shot before the 2007 movie's concurrent success made Animated switch the character to Bumblebee, even though he still had Hot Shot's "Hot Rod/Cheetor"-type personality, giving us for the first time a young kid Bumblebee with the personality of Hot Rod, Cheetor, and Hot Shot.

But then, I think that was the only time that happened? Movie Bumblebee, Aligned Bumblebee, and Cyberverse Bumblebee were all young, but felt more like young adults (like G1 Bumblebee) rather than teenagers. College-aged at the youngest rather than the middle/high schooler Animated Bumblebee felt like, right?
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Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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