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Evil Eye wrote:The problem isn't "Black characters in my TF cartoon!" (again- Animated and even, as much as I disliked the pacing and story, Prime did representation SUPER well). The problem is "Every single main human character is black with the sole exception of ONE Filipino character (who is so poorly designed it's hard to tell he is) and the white villain. My biggest gripe (aside from the fact I cannot see this thing selling well, which ultimately doesn't affect me) is if this was the other way around it'd be torn apart as white supremacy or something. An entirely white family (with one token minority) and the only black character being a villain would set off alarm bells, and for good reason. So why should we excuse it when it's the other way around? It's just lazy.
Sabrblade wrote:And it's not like there haven't been lots of TV shows about African American families before. The Jeffersons, Family Matters, The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, the list goes on. And just those three were all great successes and well-beloved by many people from all walks of life.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
First-Aid wrote:Can I get a temporary Admin placement please?
Burn wrote:First-Aid wrote:Can I get a temporary Admin placement please?
It'd be like looking into the heart of the TARDIS (hopefully you get the reference), even the shortest exposure will make you go insane.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Dr. Caelus wrote:Truth be told, Evil Eye and Kranrabbit aren't too different than I was at 19 or 20 years old. *snip*
blackeyedprime wrote:Definitely not an educational show.
Evil Eye wrote:[wall of text]
King Kuuga wrote:Evil Eye wrote:[wall of text]
Jesus christ dude nobody needs your manifesto.
Show me on the doll where the black main cast in the kids show hurt you.
Black people exist and interesting things can happen to them.
Your racist tirade is getting you the attention you so desire, in fact I came here from a reddit thread complaining about you, so congratulations on your internet notoriety.
I'd have to dig through way too much crap to try to pull your head out of your ass and frankly it's not worth my energy, so enjoy the smell up there.
-Kanrabat- wrote: Especially with their INHUMAN ENDURANCE that those kids can fall from several meters high on a hard surface and shrug it off like it's nothing.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote: Especially with their INHUMAN ENDURANCE that those kids can fall from several meters high on a hard surface and shrug it off like it's nothing.
It's ok though. They were wearing their crash helmets..
Evil Eye wrote:Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!King Kuuga wrote:Evil Eye wrote:[wall of text]
Jesus christ dude nobody needs your manifesto.
Nobody needs half the crap that gets posted on the internet and yet here we are. But more to the point, if someone's going to write a condescending, smug, holier-than-thou and flat-out WRONG "you'll be like me eventually!" post like Dr. Caelus did, they can expect a retaliation. Personally I think the fact I wrote an extensive, detailed yet CIVIL explanation of why he's wrong, how I got to this point and why he'll get to this point too was quite admirable, especially as I could have just written "Lol yeah whatevs ur mum have big gay lol" and, whilst it wouldn't have made any actual appreciable difference to his current perception of me and would have been quicker and easier, would have lowered me to his level.
Dr. Caelus wrote:Evil Eye wrote:Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!King Kuuga wrote:Evil Eye wrote:[wall of text]
Jesus christ dude nobody needs your manifesto.
Nobody needs half the crap that gets posted on the internet and yet here we are. But more to the point, if someone's going to write a condescending, smug, holier-than-thou and flat-out WRONG "you'll be like me eventually!" post like Dr. Caelus did, they can expect a retaliation. Personally I think the fact I wrote an extensive, detailed yet CIVIL explanation of why he's wrong, how I got to this point and why he'll get to this point too was quite admirable, especially as I could have just written "Lol yeah whatevs ur mum have big gay lol" and, whilst it wouldn't have made any actual appreciable difference to his current perception of me and would have been quicker and easier, would have lowered me to his level.
Why would you think anyone actually read that? I read the first paragraph and moved on. Lord, how obsessed with you would someone have to be to actually do more than that???
That said, I'm glad to see my words made enough of an impression that you felt it necessary to spend that much time and energy trying to justify your point of view. I used to do that too, complete with the "OMG, the world is crazy, I'm persecuted for being right" victimhood B.S., so maybe you're on that long, slow arc to becoming a better person, even if you don't know it right now.
Evil Eye wrote:It's called having an attention span beyond that of a five year old. You should try it some time!
Dr. Caelus wrote:Evil Eye wrote:It's called having an attention span beyond that of a five year old. You should try it some time!
A marketable memoir is 80,000 to 90,000 words.
That one post is 3,421 words.
You literally wrote over 4% of a memoir, for a single sob story post. And you thought that people would read it? That they should read it?
Wow.
Evil Eye wrote:So you admit you didn't read it, but also dismiss it as a "sob story".
'cause THAT doesn't come across as dismissive or patronizing at all!
You are not as smart as you think you are.
PFCMoon10 wrote:I'm new here so forgive me for not knowing how to respond properly, but to the gentleman Evil Eye; youre reasoning for your first comment mentioned that black fans wouldn't even want this. Now I know I am paraphrasing so I do suggest you all read his comments fully, but, unless you are black what place or right do you have to speak on our behalf? Even if you talked to 100 black fans you still don't get to speak for what we do and don't want. I was born in 1995 and while most of the older stuff I watched was secondhand, one show I really loved was armada and animated. Carlos was a brown character and so was Sari. Also the villains of animated were all white and that wasn't an issue, so why now? I grew up with two loving parents and a younger brother and this show finally give me a chance to see characters who look like me join in the adventure. Yes I am happy that a black family is the lead cast because representation matters. This show paints us in a positive and non stereotypical way and that's all I've ever wanted. It already hurts enough when I get discriminated against in real life but to come here and see it?
Like dude, it's not woke or an agenda. We just want a chance to be represented and to join in the story. Why do some of you get so upset for that? And you complain about the only villains being white bothers me even more. Transformers isn't suddenly about to demonize all white people by making them villains. And NO. This show isn't just aimed at black people. If I can enjoy Generation 1 even though the main cast is white there's no reason you can't look past the main characters here being black. Let us have a chance to be the lead without making us feel terrible for it. We're not a political device, we are human beings and when we read other fans saying stuff like this it hurts us and makes us feel like we'll never be truly accepted by the Fandom. I've always wanted to draw transformers comics and be involved with the brand but comments like Evil Eyes make me think that might never happen. You can not like the designs, that's fine, but the whole Black comment and White villains comment was unnecessary.
PFCMoon10 wrote:Evil Eye, you can go find my first response to your comments. I was gonna a keep responding but the fact kne of your reasoning for your comments was "they only represent 15 percent of america" line irritated me. You can't identify with me because of .y skin color. You're trying to act like you aren't but your reasoning are jusy so bigoted. I grew up in a military household in the burbs and have two parents, a dog, a brother, fenced in yard; I had the most text book american experiences and I'm black but your saying non of that matter because I'm black and people can't identify with me? People like you make fans like us so unwelcome. I come here happy because the show I grew up with has some characters that finally look like me. No agenda, no pro black message, just positive representation of us as normal American people and you pick that apart and then try to say what minorities want? I have to deal with this in real life and now my favorite Fandom I've loved as a kid is filled with guys disapproving of a show solely based on the fact they aren't white. You are incredibly racist and you just remind .e that no matter how hard I try to be an upstanding guy, there are people like you who will never give me the credit or equality we strive for. This who exchange and your responses just made me majorly upset. You just solidified the idea that we (minorities) will never be fully accepted in this Fandom. Jeez man, what made you like this?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Dr. Caelus wrote:Evil Eye wrote:So you admit you didn't read it, but also dismiss it as a "sob story".
I read the first paragraph, which was enough to get the gist. Unless there was a plot twist in there somewhere, in which case you're not following through with your thesis, which would be pretty crap writing for nonfiction.
'cause THAT doesn't come across as dismissive or patronizing at all!
I was literally saying your opinion was the result of youthful naivete. I think it came across exactly how I intended it to.
You are not as smart as you think you are.
I'm not sure how smart you think I think I am, but I didn't write a 3,421 word post for a room full of strangers that aren't going to read it.
The whole "Kid Bumblebee" seems to have been born out of a long string of events that began with Cheetor being the new yellow kid-appeal character in Beast Wars, but was more like Hot Rod in personality than Bumblebee. Then Cheetor underwent a growth arc like Hot Rod did, but at a natural pace over the course of time rather than instantly with a Matrix. Then Hasbro seemed to want to recapture Cheetor's development in the Unicron Trilogy with Hot Shot, who was originally going to be Bumblebee until the name couldn't be Trademarked, so they kept him yellow but, like Cheetor, made him more like Hot Rod in personality (and couldn't Trademark the name "Hot Rod" either).o.supreme wrote:I mean I know form the beginning BB was supposed to be the "youngest" Autobot, the kid identifying character, but in 1984, when I heard Dan Gilvezan, I immediately associated him with Spider-Man (from his amazing friends). Oddly enough I grew up in the 80's and 90's with a Peter Parker who was already an adult. I know he started out as a teen in the 60's, but my Spidey will always be "grown up" Spidey, so I associated BB as more a "Bigger Brother" to Spike rather than his peer.
Oddly enough, when BB made his triumphant return in 21st century Media he was mostly Mute until Will Friedel got the job, also a young adult, so that's how I've always associated the character/voice.
a younger "kid" BB is very hard to get used to, but I understand it is a kids show, and why it was purposely done in Cybervese, and now ES. I just hope it doesn't get too annoying.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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