The Energon Pub

[DedicatedGhostArt]

(yes, Death stalks Wal-mart)

I bet he does, especially in the pharmacie section next to the elderly people checking their blood pressure.

My stores still have Whirls around. And the walmarts have gotten the MM and BCOP, but no new stuff yet except TRU, but hell no on those prices

It's like everyone forgets about Whirl, so for some reason they are everywhere now still.

[Ironhidensh]

Guys, please get back on topic of Combiner Wars. Discussing availability of other figures should be in its own thread.

Other than exclusives, Rook has no straight repaint in the line anywhere, right?

Hound and Swindle.

[steals_your_goats]

Guys, please get back on topic of Combiner Wars. Discussing availability of other figures should be in its own thread.

Other than exclusives, Rook has no straight repaint in the line anywhere, right?

Hound and Swindle.

He said repaint not retool.

[Ironhidensh]

Guys, please get back on topic of Combiner Wars. Discussing availability of other figures should be in its own thread.

Other than exclusives, Rook has no straight repaint in the line anywhere, right?

Hound and Swindle.

He said repaint not retool.

same thing

[steals_your_goats]

Guys, please get back on topic of Combiner Wars. Discussing availability of other figures should be in its own thread.

Other than exclusives, Rook has no straight repaint in the line anywhere, right?

Hound and Swindle.

He said repaint not retool.

same thing

No they're not, you know this and this conversation has been has before. Don't start this s*** again.

[Hellscream9999]

Guys, please get back on topic of Combiner Wars. Discussing availability of other figures should be in its own thread.

Other than exclusives, Rook has no straight repaint in the line anywhere, right?

Hound and Swindle.

He said repaint not retool.

same thing

No, they are blatantly different, even if they share an identical transformation.

[ZeroWolf]

For this conversation we're talking a change of colours and maybe a new head, that's all. So the repaint would still turn into a personnel carrier.

[Ironhidensh]

Guys, please get back on topic of Combiner Wars. Discussing availability of other figures should be in its own thread.

Other than exclusives, Rook has no straight repaint in the line anywhere, right?

Hound and Swindle.

He said repaint not retool.

same thing

No they're not, you know this and this conversation has been has before. Don't start this s*** again.

Yes, they are. Stop drinking the Hasbro coporate koolaid and you'll see for yourself.

[steals_your_goats]

Guys, please get back on topic of Combiner Wars. Discussing availability of other figures should be in its own thread.

Other than exclusives, Rook has no straight repaint in the line anywhere, right?

Hound and Swindle.

He said repaint not retool.

same thing

No they're not, you know this and this conversation has been has before. Don't start this s*** again.

Yes, they are. Stop drinking the Hasbro coporate koolaid and you'll see for yourself.

Well I'm not blind and can see they're different maybe if you weren't see jaded you could see it too. Why don't you just let people like what they want to like and just stay out of it entirely

[ZeroWolf]

To play devil's advocate for a moment, this is one of those issues where it comes down to personal opinion. Ironhidesh is correct that hound and swindle are certainly not new moulds but neither are they simple repaints of old. A lot more work has gone into them to make them feel like completely new toys.

[Hellscream9999]

To play devil's advocate for a moment, this is one of those issues where it comes down to personal opinion. Ironhidesh is correct that hound and swindle are certainly not new moulds but neither are they simple repaints of old. A lot more work has gone into them to make them feel like completely new toys.

Exactly, I'm fine if that's the logic he goes by, but that's saying that rook and swindle being 'repaints' is the exact same thing as Alpha-Bravo and Vortex being 'repaints'. They are clearly on very separate levels even if they aren't original molds (and what line ever has been wholly constituted by original molds )

[Ironhidensh]

Guys, please get back on topic of Combiner Wars. Discussing availability of other figures should be in its own thread.

Other than exclusives, Rook has no straight repaint in the line anywhere, right?

Hound and Swindle.

He said repaint not retool.

same thing

No they're not, you know this and this conversation has been has before. Don't start this s*** again.

Yes, they are. Stop drinking the Hasbro coporate koolaid and you'll see for yourself.

Well I'm not blind and can see they're different maybe if you weren't see jaded you could see it too. Why don't you just let people like what they want to like and just stay out of it entirely

That's a ridiculous statement. Let me flip it for you. Why don't you let people dislike what they dislike and stay out of it?

Anyway, I'll take the road suggested by that fine fellow zero. To me, they are the same figure, to you they are not. So be it, its your money and choice, same as me.

[Corsair]

To play devil's advocate for a moment, this is one of those issues where it comes down to personal opinion. Ironhidesh is correct that hound and swindle are certainly not new moulds but neither are they simple repaints of old. A lot more work has gone into them to make them feel like completely new toys.

And would that not be the text-book definition of a Retool?

Swindle and Hound are however in my opinion seriously ugly retools, with the visible fists in the cab, the sock-drawer in the front, the insane level of molded detail put into the vehicle body and then practically no paints ops. Still if you squint it looks kind of like a military jeep/Humvee sort of thing.

Having the gun on the roof of the vehicle does help a bit in selling the concept of a Humvee-esque vehicle with it's 50 cal on top.

[ZeroWolf]

To play devil's advocate for a moment, this is one of those issues where it comes down to personal opinion. Ironhidesh is correct that hound and swindle are certainly not new moulds but neither are they simple repaints of old. A lot more work has gone into them to make them feel like completely new toys.

And would that not be the text-book definition of a Retool?

Swindle and Hound are however in my opinion seriously ugly retools, with the visible fists in the cab, the sock-drawer in the front, the insane level of molded detail put into the vehicle body and then practically no paints ops. Still if you squint it looks kind of like a military jeep/Humvee sort of thing.

Having the gun on the roof of the vehicle does help a bit in selling the concept of a Humvee-esque vehicle with it's 50 cal on top.

Only if you want to call them a retool my argument is that we should just let people get on calling them what they want.

[Corsair]

You can call em what you want, I call them ugly

[Mr Skram]

I plan on adding some paint apps to Swindle myself sometime. I saw a pic somewhere of a gorgeous custom painted Swindle. There's a great figure in there, just gotta make it pop in the right places with some purple and black. Though I agree the jeep is pretty funky looking. LOVE his head and eyes

Hound and his wavemates are pretty bland to me though, don't really care for the Sky Reign combiner team. I already got my goofy noncombiner->combiner fix with the Optimus Maximus crew and Galvatronus, don't need another. Well... I might get Trailbreaker, he looks pretty great as a standalone or if I need a limb for Galvatronus or something.

I still have Skylynx/Onslaught box on preorder but if I find an Onslaught before it ships I'm cancelling it. I've kinda soured on ol' Lynxy after getting a better look at him in all modes. I won't complain if I don't beat the clock though and just keep him in bird-dino mode surrounded by my Micromasters.

[ZeroWolf]

You can call em what you want, I call them ugly

I'll let you know what I call them when I see them in person

[Stuartmaximus]

if your gonna do a repaint/retool(or heavy retool...cough**Takara**cough) of Swindle/Hound

then my choice would be redo it as Brushguard

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[Corsair]

I am passing on Bruticus and also Sky Reign's combiner team, I just want Sky Lynx as Sky Lynx and I think the only other thing on my want-list for CW as it stands right now is Legends Wreck-Gar which I just want because it's Wreck-Gar

I did kind of want to get BC Optimus but I really hate how that mold looks when combined, the thing has legs up to it's arm-pits practically, which would be bad enough but then standing next to Superion and Defensor, who are both pretty well proportioned it looks even worse. I might eventually break and just keep him un-combined...if I can get him cheap.

[Dr. Caelus]

if your gonna do a repaint/retool(or heavy retool...cough**Takara**cough) of Swindle/Hound

then my choice would be redo it as Brushguard

300px-Cybertron_Brushguard_toy.jpg

You know, with the 5mm forward-facing hand sockets, you could probably come up with something that approximates Brushguard's Wolverine claws. That's a nifty idea.

[ZeroWolf]

if your gonna do a repaint/retool(or heavy retool...cough**Takara**cough) of Swindle/Hound

then my choice would be redo it as Brushguard

300px-Cybertron_Brushguard_toy.jpg

Actually we're talking about a repaint of Rook but thanks for that idea, also thought about a custom turning rook into an alt looking as close to the apc from Aliens as you can get it (yes, I know their bodies are a lot different but it would still look cool)

[Corsair]

if your gonna do a repaint/retool(or heavy retool...cough**Takara**cough) of Swindle/Hound

then my choice would be redo it as Brushguard

300px-Cybertron_Brushguard_toy.jpg

Actually we're talking about a repaint of Rook but thanks for that idea, also thought about a custom turning rook into an alt looking as close to the apc from Aliens as you can get it (yes, I know their bodies are a lot different but it would still look cool)

LoL. With the Foot/Hand/Gun thing on top it's passable as modeled here by Wandering Roller.



Onslaught is not that far off from an Aliens-Style APC either.

[william-james88]

To play devil's advocate for a moment, this is one of those issues where it comes down to personal opinion. Ironhidesh is correct that hound and swindle are certainly not new moulds but neither are they simple repaints of old. A lot more work has gone into them to make them feel like completely new toys.

And would that not be the text-book definition of a Retool?

Swindle and Hound are however in my opinion seriously ugly retools, with the visible fists in the cab, the sock-drawer in the front, the insane level of molded detail put into the vehicle body and then practically no paints ops. Still if you squint it looks kind of like a military jeep/Humvee sort of thing.

And plus, its really odd that the beefiest of the limbs is Swindle.


Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Swindle Gallery

[Stuartmaximus]

if your gonna do a repaint/retool(or heavy retool...cough**Takara**cough) of Swindle/Hound

then my choice would be redo it as Brushguard

300px-Cybertron_Brushguard_toy.jpg

Actually we're talking about a repaint of Rook but thanks for that idea, also thought about a custom turning rook into an alt looking as close to the apc from Aliens as you can get it (yes, I know their bodies are a lot different but it would still look cool)

a bit off topic here....but if you like the aliens APC you should check out my links to a cool looking Lego APC on this page
neca-aliens-t98701.php

[Stuartmaximus]

To play devil's advocate for a moment, this is one of those issues where it comes down to personal opinion. Ironhidesh is correct that hound and swindle are certainly not new moulds but neither are they simple repaints of old. A lot more work has gone into them to make them feel like completely new toys.

And would that not be the text-book definition of a Retool?

Swindle and Hound are however in my opinion seriously ugly retools, with the visible fists in the cab, the sock-drawer in the front, the insane level of molded detail put into the vehicle body and then practically no paints ops. Still if you squint it looks kind of like a military jeep/Humvee sort of thing.

And plus, its really odd that the beefiest of the limbs is Swindle.


Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Swindle Gallery

oh & Off Road/Trailbreaker as Cannonball

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