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Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:49 pm

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That Bot wrote:Battle Core Prime is probably two to a case, with one each of Hot Spot and Cyclonus with him.


I thought that battle Core Prime (Voyager Wave 4) was coming packed with Motormaster?

It does >:oP case assortments are probably not subject to random changes like that, due to the figures needing to be made, packaging printed and cases formed. But this is a good way for people who missed out on MM to pick him up, as he is an excellent stand-alone figure, though he is very lackluster as a torso.


I love MM but regardless, you are totally right on the wave 4 assortment. Here is the actual case description:

Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Voyager Wave 4:
Build the next big thing! Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Voyager Wave 4 contains the central core of all combiners - each 8-inch robot transforms into a vehicle, or turns into the body of a combiner super-robot! Ages 8 and up.

Case of 2 individually packaged action figures includes:
1x Motormaster
1x TRA GEN VOY OPTIMUS MAXIMUS
(subject to change)

Yeah, bbts had him up for pre-order in the case with bc o/p, I love MM too, but I'm just not happy with the torso, everything else is killer.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:55 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:Yeah, bbts had him up for pre-order in the case with bc o/p, I love MM too, but I'm just not happy with the torso, everything else is killer.


Yeah. You know I was thinking as to who my favourite combiner of the 3 was so far now that I have them all. My favourite components are all on Hasbro's Menasor. I really like the different road vehicles found and for me it really comes together well, and motormaster himself is a great looking truck and robot. But unlike Hotspot or Silverbolt, the transformation into torso mode doesnt wow me at all. It is instead a lot like a PPC combiner torso, quite simplified and just turned around to offer different detail. It's my only beef with Menasor.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Munkky » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:07 pm

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Menasor is the only complete Combiner I have, and I agree that the Combiner torso mode isn't the best it could be. I'm looking to buy either Defensor or Superion, which would you say is better?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby peaces » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:10 pm

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby no-one » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:18 pm

Munkky wrote:Menasor is the only complete Combiner I have, and I agree that the Combiner torso mode isn't the best it could be. I'm looking to buy either Defensor or Superion, which would you say is better?

Superion and a Rook sidekick. As much as I love me some Defensor limb bots, he is just a little too limited in movement.

Superion is a nice tight package (especially with all jets) and is cabable of some nice poses.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:33 pm

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Munkky wrote:Menasor is the only complete Combiner I have, and I agree that the Combiner torso mode isn't the best it could be. I'm looking to buy either Defensor or Superion, which would you say is better?


Superion. He offers better articulation and feels far more solid.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:55 pm

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Munkky wrote:Menasor is the only complete Combiner I have, and I agree that the Combiner torso mode isn't the best it could be. I'm looking to buy either Defensor or Superion, which would you say is better?

Superion, all the way.



If you can get quickslinger he is a really nice figure, the bright white really stands out as a limb, but it also makes his vehicle mode really pop. The best part of them is that they are all proportionately similar, so it looks really tightly put together, if you get anyone else, he'll look like he has a club limb.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:57 pm

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Munkky wrote:Menasor is the only complete Combiner I have, and I agree that the Combiner torso mode isn't the best it could be. I'm looking to buy either Defensor or Superion, which would you say is better?


Superion. He offers better articulation and feels far more solid.

This is why I don't mind weird-new-scattershot; he's obviously some sort of prototype (I hope) but the torso he will eventually form is so incredible; I want more inventive re-uses of the silverbolt mold, because the torso is so well engineered.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby peaces » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:02 pm

cyclonus and galvatronus are fantastic
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:12 pm

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peaces wrote:cyclonus and galvatronus are fantastic

Deinitely, but I thought he was in the market for an autobot. If he doesn't care, I'd say get galvatronus too.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:34 pm

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Well IDW cyclonus isn't technically a decepticon...
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:41 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Well IDW cyclonus isn't technically a decepticon...

We're talking strictly toys here, and he said he wanted superion or defensor, so offering cyclonus would mean offering a non-autobot >:oP
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby no-one » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:42 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Well IDW cyclonus isn't technically a decepticon...

This brings up a point that's probably already been discussed.

What/which Cyclonus is CW Cyclonus anyway?

The toy is part of CW, but doesn't exist in fiction as a combiner. I think the toy is considered a 'Con. He doesn't look like IDW Cyclonus. He looks like the Cyclonus who hangs with Galvatron (which makes sense considering his combiner form). It's all very confusing to me.

Can we start calling him Turduckhen Cyclonus?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:56 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Well IDW cyclonus isn't technically a decepticon...

This brings up a point that's probably already been discussed.

What/which Cyclonus is CW Cyclonus anyway?

The toy is part of CW, but doesn't exist in fiction as a combiner. I think the toy is considered a 'Con. He doesn't look like IDW Cyclonus. He looks like the Cyclonus who hangs with Galvatron (which makes sense considering his combiner form). It's all very confusing to me.

Can we start calling him Turduckhen Cyclonus?

He's cw cyclonus, since the cw show was announce, I'd hazard a guess that he will be a/the main antagonist of the show (whether it gets going, or remains on the air long enough is a whole different issue)
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:45 pm

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But the show could focus on the IDW arc which would mean he may not show at all. Plus just because a toy says they belong to a faction doesn't mean you have to adhere to that. For example, if I get it, he won't be a decepticon as he'll be the first in my attempt to build a lost light crew
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:03 pm

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carytheone wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Well IDW cyclonus isn't technically a decepticon...

This brings up a point that's probably already been discussed.

What/which Cyclonus is CW Cyclonus anyway?

The toy is part of CW, but doesn't exist in fiction as a combiner. I think the toy is considered a 'Con. He doesn't look like IDW Cyclonus. He looks like the Cyclonus who hangs with Galvatron (which makes sense considering his combiner form). It's all very confusing to me.

Can we start calling him Turduckhen Cyclonus?


Also, I find it highly unlikely that a cyclonus who is not a con would turn into Galvatronus.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

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This brings up a point that's probably already been discussed.

What/which Cyclonus is CW Cyclonus anyway?
Well, you could... ask Vector Prime. 8)

In all seriousness, he could possibly give an answer.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Noideaforaname » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:24 pm

carytheone wrote:What/which Cyclonus is CW Cyclonus anyway?

The purple one with the rabbit ears, as opposed to the crazy helicopter. :P

Given he's a Decepticon connected to Galvatron(us) and implied to have an origin in Unicron, I'm assuming he's based on the original cartoon version of himself.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:28 pm

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carytheone wrote:What/which Cyclonus is CW Cyclonus anyway?

The purple one with the rabbit ears, as opposed to the crazy helicopter. :P

Given he's a Decepticon connected to Galvatron(us) and implied to have an origin in Unicron, I'm assuming he's based on the original cartoon version of himself.


And technically isnt that what the entire Combiner Wars line is based on to an extent?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby RodimusRex » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:03 am

In general, I'd say IDW is contorting to match the toyline but that the toyline is pretty much based, first and foremost, and toys and playability and, as a secondary concern, on some mix of the animated G1 mythology and the writing of Simon Furman.

It will be interesting to see what the CW cartoon is like, if it parallels the video game by getting G1 voice actors, etc. Even so, it seems likely to me that the cartoon will likely contradict the G1 cartoon (which contradicted itself).

For me, Cyclonus will always be Skywarp and Scourge will always be Thundercracker. And Bombshell as Cyclonus will always be a dumb animation error.

I can buy Galvatronus as some sort of homage by a still loyal Cyclonus.

In my head canon (which skews more animated and is a less cluttered version of the Wings continuity), Megatron spent G2 trying to purge himself of his Galvatron side. The purple splotches of camo on his tank mode were Unicron's Galvatron programming reasserting themselves. When he became Hero Megs, he was succumbing to the Galvatron programming once more... and Classics Megatron's purple and orange were him trying to fight off Unicron's programming. He finally did manage to but Cylconus, possibly having been transferred to a new body (I guess I view the Unicron reformatting like possession) saves Galvatron's code and plants it in himself to create Galvatronus.

But, for me and my totally unauthorized fanon, Megatron was Galvatron and shed that off. Skywarp was Cyclonus. Thundercracker was Scourge.

I kinda see Galvatron, Scourge, Cyclonus, Sideways, Hook, Line, and Sinker as computer virus personalities/sparks that can infect dead transformers but which have to contend with the original spark sharing the frame if the original isn't dead when they are placed in there. Maybe The Fallen as well.

Man, it would be awesome if these guys all existed as a combiner team.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

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In my head canon, cartoon/movie G1 Unicron is a physical manifestation of the IDW G1 Dead Universe (same essential entity, different forms for different universes). When Unicron creates Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, and the Sweeps (and Cyclonus' "Armada") in the '86 movie, he's actually just imprinting sparkless chaises with the minds and/or sparks of ancient Transformers of the same name who had crossed paths with him eons ago and been consumed, akin to how those characters plus a few others were written into the IDW G1 mythos as having been early explorers who discovered and then became trapped in and corrupted by the Dead Universe. Of course, Megatron "still functioned" when he was reformatted in the movie, so his spark still survives as a part of "Galvatron," while Thundercracker, Skywarp, and the Insecticons were thoroughly dead at that point, so their personality makeovers are much more complete.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:55 am

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That Bot wrote:There's no way they changed their minds on Scattershot's release period in the intervening weeks between Botcon and SDCC. We were told at SDCC or NYCC last year that Combiner Wars 2015 would have 16 deluxes and 6 voyagers, and ultimately through various channels we discovered what the second half of the year's releases would be before Hasbro told us, and Scattershot wasn't in '15. (I would attempt to verify these claims but Seibertron's event coverage links in the banner only take me to galleries, not the full panel rundowns, and the article archives are a mess to sort through.) I also seem to recall that we knew, fairly early on, that this theme would continue into 2016 with a further 16 deluxe and 6 voyager figures. I don't know why they showed Betatron's silhouette on a 2015 slide at Botcon, but that has to have been a mistake.
Anyway, assuming 2016 is exactly like 2015, we've seen exactly half of what we're getting: Two full combiners and an extra torso. We were promised new molds, which we can expect to see as the final two releases of the year.


Yeah, even though we were talking about it all through this time, I discarded the fixed number of voyagers info and relied on the evidence in the presentation's dated which is probably a mistake, as you say. Any reason we should assume 2016 to be the same as 2015? I think there might be a changeup midway. They are introducing legends buzzsaw and we have seen links of Blaster and the two probably link up or interact in a way. If Titan Wars was indeed coming in 2017 so that Combiner Wars can have another full year, I dont think we would have gotten a leak this early, in both the toy image and the backdrop. If Titan Wars was 2017, it would only be announced at Botcon 2016, no?

Actually you've got a strong point there. Seems odd they'd have promotional material for Titan Wars printed up when it's so far out, perhaps I'm being too wishful and less practical.
But man, what a bummer if Combiner Wars ends up being just 13/14 unique Voyager and Deluxe molds turned into 40 characters.

william-james88 wrote:I love MM but regardless, you are totally right on the wave 4 assortment. Here is the actual case description:

Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Voyager Wave 4:
Build the next big thing! Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Voyager Wave 4 contains the central core of all combiners - each 8-inch robot transforms into a vehicle, or turns into the body of a combiner super-robot! Ages 8 and up.

Case of 2 individually packaged action figures includes:
1x Motormaster
1x TRA GEN VOY OPTIMUS MAXIMUS
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Voyagers are 4 to a case, it's 2 Op Max and 2 Motormaster.
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peaces wrote:cyclonus and galvatronus are fantastic

Deinitely, but I thought he was in the market for an autobot. If he doesn't care, I'd say get galvatronus too.


I would rather have an Autobot, because I plan to get Devastator and Bruticus so I feel like I should have at least one Autobot Combiner as well. The only Optimus Maximus component I'm interested in is Ironhide, I'm not touching Victorion with a 10-foot barge pole and I'm currently not planning to get any of the Sky Reign limbs. Thank you all for suggesting Superion, the Aerialbots (minus Air Raid because he's supposedly not being sold in the UK) are still fairly common at retail where I am, and Kapow Toys has Silverbolt for half price.

As for Cyclonus, I don't read More than meets the Eye so I couldn't really comment on comic-accuracy vs toy accuracy, but I have a Universe 2.0 Cyclonus that I'm very happy with.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby RodimusRex » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:08 am

Wolfman Jake wrote:In my head canon, cartoon/movie G1 Unicron is a physical manifestation of the IDW G1 Dead Universe (same essential entity, different forms for different universes). When Unicron creates Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, and the Sweeps (and Cyclonus' "Armada") in the '86 movie, he's actually just imprinting sparkless chaises with the minds and/or sparks of ancient Transformers of the same name who had crossed paths with him eons ago and been consumed, akin to how those characters plus a few others were written into the IDW G1 mythos as having been early explorers who discovered and then became trapped in and corrupted by the Dead Universe. Of course, Megatron "still functioned" when he was reformatted in the movie, so his spark still survives as a part of "Galvatron," while Thundercracker, Skywarp, and the Insecticons were thoroughly dead at that point, so their personality makeovers are much more complete.


I'll tell you why I don't care for this aspect of IDW. It feels like having cake and eating it too. The same goes for the Galvatronus toy. I really want the promise of a world with no Megatron or Optimus.

One option for that is a world where they die and stay dead for awhile. One option is if they fundamentally become different characters.

If you can have Galvatron or Galvatronus alongside Megatron without explanation, it means you don't ever need to get rid of Prime and Megatron.

I like Animated. I think Energon is my favorite of the Unicron trilogy and I'm starting to get nostalgic for how different much of that stuff was. Season 3 is my favorite part of G1... and I really wish G2 had more proper fiction not just because I instinctively like Pyro and Rapido but because I think Rodimus deserves a post-Prime story (Japan launched him into space after restoring him although I think Energon Prime was hinted at being G1 Prime there, eh?). Actually, part of what interests me about G2 is that it kind of devolves Megatron and Optimus. The comics made them both more fallible but the toys themselves stripped them of what had been their iconography. This was the line inspired every heresy. The end of Megatron as a gun. Optimus Prime increasingly off model and ending up with plans to make him a dumptruck.

I prefer Season 3 to the early years. I like G2 because it's both the failure of the early G1 aesthetic and simultaneously the surrender of the G1 characters from the clutches of any kind of purist presentation. Every improvement and heresy dates back to G2 and G2 stands as this reminder that going back to G1 wasn't enough.

People talk about losing their innocence when Optimus Prime died. I think, for me, I lost it when I saw him return. I'd been eager for it, expecting it. I think maybe other kids saw Rebirth first. There was a line telling kids to expect his return on VHS, I think? But when I saw him come back, I wondered if we weren't better off with him dead. I never thought that with Starscream. I loved his brief returns and Cobra Commander's.

But I still think I'd be more interested in a Transformers universe without Prime or Megatron. Any Optimus or Megatron. And I like the idea that Galvatron means you have to give up Megatron. I feel like without that, you'll always have Optimus and Megatron around and, worse, they'll always be fairly true to form unlike G2 where they started getting off-model in fun ways.

Galvatron is the dessert that people finish their vegetables (ie. let go of Megatron) for. And if you can have dessert without finishing your vegetables, well... No writer will ever set out to get rid of Megatron permanently if they don't need to to have Galvatron.

Same goes for my feelings on Galvatron 2 in the Marvel comics. Seeing them together is novel for a few minutes but then you realize that it means they don't have to get rid of Megatron and it's kind of depressing, for me at least. Because it meant that a world of Transformers without Optimus and Megatron was always going to be some kind of alternate future and the comics never had to make that clean break if they could just have characters show up from there.
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