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News Credits: 4863 · by **william-james88** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:55 am

ThunderThruster wrote:
Groove can 'hang on' to the Optimus mold's nipple pegs with his hand holes.

That sounds so....dirty :oops:

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:02 am

I wonder when ToysRUs will have the Protectobots up on their website.

News Credits: 4863 · by **william-james88** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:06 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wonder when ToysRUs will have the Protectobots up on their website.

They never got them? In Canada, they came for one day and then disappeared and have yet to reappear.

by **joeprime276** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:26 am

I'm sorry if this has been talked about before (which I'm sure it has), but what does everyone think of the next wave of CW featuring Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage?

by **Shuttershock** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:02 am

joeprime276 wrote:I'm sorry if this has been talked about before (which I'm sure it has), but what does everyone think of the next wave of CW featuring Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage?

Mostly toys that have more iconic deluxes, but built around a solid design and allows you to field at least one more combiner.

News Credits: 4863 · by **william-james88** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:08 am

joeprime276 wrote:I'm sorry if this has been talked about before (which I'm sure it has), but what does everyone think of the next wave of CW featuring Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage?

I actually think its fun and fills a certain need. The combiner wars line has done quite well in stores for something not associated to a film or a show. It’s actually pretty cool and a huge step forward, since the draw to the line and the marketing is all based on the Transformers Brand itself and its history. I don’t think we make a big enough deal that this means the brand has reached a point where the Transformers brand alone is the selling point. That’s Marvel level recognition right there and while they had 50-70 years to have brought this awareness, Transformers is accomplishing this in 30 (I can say way more about this transition but it’s not related to combiner wars).

Anyways... with the brand showing this level of awareness, I think it only makes sense that Hasbro would release classic characters to go along with their other offerings. They have clearly shown that while G1 is an inspiration, this line is about building from that and making something for old and new audiences. So why not release classic characters in a new way. They didn’t combine in G1, but since the combining gimmick is now introduced to new fans, why not give them more options and more characters? Like that they can familiarize themselves with classic characters with the new Transformers play style they are experiencing. It also helps fill some holes in classic collections for characters people don’t have yet or have become too expensive to get. And at the same time, them being combiners doesn’t take away the existence of the classics molds either so both can coexist without the feeling that one is better than the other. And lastly, it helps kids and parents finish their own Frankenstein combiner in case they are missing limbs (like a grandparent bough 2 Generations figures for their grandkid’s birthday not knowing they combined and then the kid sees it by being fascinated and curious about the pictures in the back and talking to this friends, and then needs to finish a combiner).

That is what I think of the line as a fan of the brand. Now for my personal collection, it doesn’t interest me in the least since I already have these characters and those molds (or they are not in the style I want). Instead of paying for this line, I find my money better spent on paying the assumed big shipping charge for Takara’s Devastator. But while this 4th wave doesn’t interest me, I can totally see the merit in its existence as I pointed above.

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:22 am

joeprime276 wrote:I'm sorry if this has been talked about before (which I'm sure it has), but what does everyone think of the next wave of CW featuring Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage?

I've dreamed of this Autobot team since I was 10 years old. So I'm pretty excited! :KREMZEEK:

News Credits: 459 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:25 am

Cobotron wrote:
joeprime276 wrote:I'm sorry if this has been talked about before (which I'm sure it has), but what does everyone think of the next wave of CW featuring Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage?

I've dreamed of this Autobot team since I was 10 years old. So I'm pretty excited!

Why this team in particular, if I may ask?

I'd think the Masquerade Autobots would be more desired than these four.

News Credits: 41 · by **Cobotron** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:32 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Cobotron wrote:
joeprime276 wrote:I'm sorry if this has been talked about before (which I'm sure it has), but what does everyone think of the next wave of CW featuring Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage?

I've dreamed of this Autobot team since I was 10 years old. So I'm pretty excited!
Why this team in particular, if I may ask?

I'd think the Masquerade Autobots would be more desired than these four.

Ok, an Autobot team. I guess my absolute dream team would be the Datsun Bros plus Mirage, and we will almost get there (no Bluestreak, yet). Sideswipe and Jazz would be cool too. I do like that Sunstreaker is getting some attention.
The Masquerade team does not interest me personally, as the cartoon has no bearing on my head cannon/imaginary world of TFs.

Who is that team BTW? Mirage, Jazz, Windcharger and ... ?

News Credits: 459 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:35 am

Cobotron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Cobotron wrote:
joeprime276 wrote:I'm sorry if this has been talked about before (which I'm sure it has), but what does everyone think of the next wave of CW featuring Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage?

I've dreamed of this Autobot team since I was 10 years old. So I'm pretty excited!
Why this team in particular, if I may ask?

I'd think the Masquerade Autobots would be more desired than these four.
Ok, an Autobot team. I guess my absolute dream team would be the Datsun Bros plus Mirage, and we will almost get there (no Bluestreak, yet). Sideswipe and Jazz would be cool too. I do like that Sunstreaker is getting some attention.
The Masquerade team does not interest me personally, as the cartoon has no bearing on my head cannon/imaginary world of TFs.

Who is that team BTW? Mirage, Jazz, Windcharger and ... ?

Sideswipe.

And Optimus.

by **Shuttershock** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:38 am

Cobotron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Cobotron wrote:
joeprime276 wrote:I'm sorry if this has been talked about before (which I'm sure it has), but what does everyone think of the next wave of CW featuring Ironhide, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Mirage?

I've dreamed of this Autobot team since I was 10 years old. So I'm pretty excited!
Why this team in particular, if I may ask?

I'd think the Masquerade Autobots would be more desired than these four.
Ok, an Autobot team. I guess my absolute dream team would be the Datsun Bros plus Mirage, and we will almost get there (no Bluestreak, yet). Sideswipe and Jazz would be cool too. I do like that Sunstreaker is getting some attention.
The Masquerade team does not interest me personally, as the cartoon has no bearing on my head cannon/imaginary world of TFs.

Who is that team BTW? Mirage, Jazz, Windcharger and ... ?

Sideswipe

News Credits: 18 · by **leokearon** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:51 am

william-james88 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:I wonder when ToysRUs will have the Protectobots up on their website.

They never got them? In Canada, they came for one day and then disappeared and have yet to reappear.

Over here in Ireland they have been listed on the SMYTHS website since about May but never were in stock and are no listed as No Longer Available

News Credits: 4863 · by **william-james88** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:06 am

Kinda interesting how its this third wave that is hardest to get so far at retail. Could it be that this is the first wave where the entire combiner can be completed in one go?

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:11 am

william-james88 wrote:Kinda interesting how its this third wave that is hardest to get so far at retail. Could it be that this is the first wave where the entire combiner can be completed in one go?

Well the Combaticons are wave 4, right? They're not supposed to come out until March 2016, so I guess the Protectobots will come out in about 2 months in regular stores. But they should be available online much sooner.

by **joeprime276** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:20 am

I'm super stoked for this next wave. It really is a dream team. I'm most excited to add Ironhide to my collection but I'm not a fan of his back-kibble. What do you guys think of Ironhide? Next to Ironhide, I'd have to say I'm most excited for Mirage then Sunstreaker and then Prowl. Maybe they can make Sideswipe out of the Breakdown/Sunstreaker mold?

by **joeprime276** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:23 am

I also NEED them to make Jazz, Cliffjumper, and Bumblebee. I'm not a huge fan of any of the pre-existing figures for these characters. Well Spec-Ops Jazz is pretty sweet. Any chance of seeing the above characters in this line? I'd like to think they make a nice small car (new mold) for Cliff and Bee.

News Credits: 18 · by **leokearon** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:45 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Kinda interesting how its this third wave that is hardest to get so far at retail. Could it be that this is the first wave where the entire combiner can be completed in one go?
Well the Combaticons are wave 4, right? They're not supposed to come out until March 2016, so I guess the Protectobots will come out in about 2 months in regular stores. But they should be available online much sooner.

No, the Autobot Combiners Mirage and co are wave 4

News Credits: 18 · by **leokearon** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:48 am

joeprime276 wrote:I also NEED them to make Jazz, Cliffjumper, and Bumblebee. I'm not a huge fan of any of the pre-existing figures for these characters. Well Spec-Ops Jazz is pretty sweet. Any chance of seeing the above characters in this line? I'd like to think they make a nice small car (new mold) for Cliff and Bee.

Bumblebee and Cliffjumper were done as part of the Generations line before Combiner wars. There are/were artwork pics of a Bumblebee based on Blackjack on the Transformers App

News Credits: 26 · by **MaverickPrime** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:50 am

As someone who didn't get Classics Mirage or Ironhide and can't pay aftermarket prices, these are good substitutes, but, would it kill them if they actually made some Decepticons? Come on! Combining is mainly a Decepticon thing, and we have 2 full Autobot teams with Optimus Maximus, Sky Reign and "Betatron" on the way, but only Menasor and Bruticus as Decepticons. Why?
:BANG_HEAD:

News Credits: 18 · by **leokearon** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:02 pm

MaverickPrime wrote:As someone who didn't get Classics Mirage or Ironhide and can't pay aftermarket prices, these are good substitutes, but, would it kill them if they actually made some Decepticons? Come on! Combining is mainly a Decepticon thing, and we have 2 full Autobot teams with Optimus Maximus, Sky Reign and "Betatron" on the way, but only Menasor and Bruticus as Decepticons. Why?

Annoying the Collector's Club are getting a Mayhem Attack Squad Combiner. Yeah the Con's do need more teams, even more limbs would be nice

News Credits: 23 · by **Madeus Prime** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:03 pm

MaverickPrime wrote:As someone who didn't get Classics Mirage or Ironhide and can't pay aftermarket prices, these are good substitutes, but, would it kill them if they actually made some Decepticons? Come on! Combining is mainly a Decepticon thing, and we have 2 full Autobot teams with Optimus Maximus, Sky Reign and "Betatron" on the way, but only Menasor and Bruticus as Decepticons. Why?

Agreed. There are a lot of IDW characters that could be great repaints of these toys, Scourge would be one that'd be great (not for a replacement for his awesome Generations toy, but for Galvatronus to have a limb team)

News Credits: 10 · by **Agamemnon** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:16 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Kinda interesting how its this third wave that is hardest to get so far at retail. Could it be that this is the first wave where the entire combiner can be completed in one go?
Well the Combaticons are wave 4, right? They're not supposed to come out until March 2016, so I guess the Protectobots will come out in about 2 months in regular stores. But they should be available online much sooner.

I've seen the Protectobots in Target recently. I think they should be out in the states, anyway... Not sure where you are Rodimus Prime...

News Credits: 23 · by **Madeus Prime** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:31 pm

Agamemnon wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Kinda interesting how its this third wave that is hardest to get so far at retail. Could it be that this is the first wave where the entire combiner can be completed in one go?
Well the Combaticons are wave 4, right? They're not supposed to come out until March 2016, so I guess the Protectobots will come out in about 2 months in regular stores. But they should be available online much sooner.

I've seen the Protectobots in Target recently. I think they should be out in the states, anyway... Not sure where you are Rodimus Prime...

I found all the Protectobot limbs at my local Wal-Mart about two weeks ago. Still got a full set there, no Groove or Hotspot (hence why I took advantage of that HTS sale)

News Credits: 4863 · by **william-james88** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:48 pm

Agamemnon wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Kinda interesting how its this third wave that is hardest to get so far at retail. Could it be that this is the first wave where the entire combiner can be completed in one go?
Well the Combaticons are wave 4, right? They're not supposed to come out until March 2016, so I guess the Protectobots will come out in about 2 months in regular stores. But they should be available online much sooner.

I've seen the Protectobots in Target recently. I think they should be out in the states, anyway... Not sure where you are Rodimus Prime...

Yeah, they were already found in stores in both Canada and US. However, unlike Wave 1 and 2, I havent seen them replenish this wave as much. Dont know why. And Optimus Maximus and the autobots are wave 4. Combaticons are Wave 1 2016.

MaverickPrime wrote:As someone who didn't get Classics Mirage or Ironhide and can't pay aftermarket prices, these are good substitutes, but, would it kill them if they actually made some Decepticons? Come on! Combining is mainly a Decepticon thing, and we have 2 full Autobot teams with Optimus Maximus, Sky Reign and "Betatron" on the way, but only Menasor and Bruticus as Decepticons. Why?

Well, they are making the combaticons. And while I could argue that combining is both an Autobot and Decepticon thing, I do see where you are coming from with the Decepticons having the most prominant combiners (Devastator and Predaking). As far as scramble city goes for decepticons that appeared on the show, the only decepticon combiner missing would be abominus right? And Hasbro said they are only making vehicle alt mode combiners (more redeco and retool opportunities, they didnt say that last part though). So Aside from Abominus, which decepticon is missing that was on the show and used the scramble city style of combining?

So in the end it's fair. We have Superion and Defensor and their 2 decepticon rivals. Plus Devastator. So there are all the Decepticons we need, no? I guess the only thing that wouldnt be fair is how the autobots now have Betatron, but I dont feel thats anything the decepticons should be jealous about

I know you guys can count the 2 extra autobot combiners but since they are new for this line, I dont really count them. Or you can see it as the autobots needing to combine to defeat Devastator especially since there are no decent Generations Dinobots to lend them a hand :-P

leokearon wrote:
Bumblebee and Cliffjumper were done as part of the Generations line before Combiner wars. There are/were artwork pics of a Bumblebee based on Blackjack on the Transformers App

Yeah and they are perfectly in scale and not that hard to find:

Transformers Generations Cliffjumper Gallery

News Credits: 3 · by **DedicatedGhostArt** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:11 pm

The way they have his legs configured in image 3...

...looks actually pretty badass, and it's kinda making me want to complete my Menasor. I have Dragstrip, and I'm planning to get the rest of the deluxe Stunticons, but now that configuration is making me wanna get Motormaster. :-P

...then again, I'm working on designing my own Motormaster torso to combine with the Stunticons:

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It's in the early stages, but I'm working very hard to perfect it. (people really seem to love my headsculpt) And don't say I'm getting off topic, I'm just saying I'm working on an alternative...