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Well, I'm reluctant to see this film or films. The Transformers are vastly superior. Any suggestion that GI Joe or Cobra have a realistic chance against them is ludicrous.

snavej wrote:Well, I'm reluctant to see this film or films. The Transformers are vastly superior. Any suggestion that GI Joe or Cobra have a realistic chance against them is ludicrous.

Like in the comics, they would be WITH them.

But even if the Joes and cobra would be 100% against the Transformers, if we go by the first 5 Bay movie rules, these human armies will be able to stand their ground against the bots pretty easily. Especially if they are not taken by surprise.

That's why in the Bayverse, being a robot in disguise is a must. And I really, really love that aspect of the Bayverse. This makes for much more interesting movies and it up the stakes for the principles of being hidden in plain sight.

Of course, the bots shouldn't be weaklings, but they shouldn't be gods either. A bot showing in town and making an unstoppable rampage is possible, but when the 6 stars wanted status take effect and the army come with their heavy weaponry, it should be game over for that bot unless it flee.

It will never happen, but I would LOVE to see a straight adaptation of G.I. Joe #138 to #142, which is the prequel to the G2 comics, and could be a prequel in the new TF/Joe live action series as well. It would be a very good way to introduce Megatron into this "new" continuity, and he wouldn't have to be a gun.

Its not too hard the imagine the GI Joe characters fighting the Transformers. You just have to imagine something similar to Sector Seven ,NEST, Cemetery Wind and TRA, from the previous films

Rodimus Prime wrote:It will never happen, but I would LOVE to see a straight adaptation of G.I. Joe #138 to #142, which is the prequel to the G2 comics, and could be a prequel in the new TF/Joe live action series as well. It would be a very good way to introduce Megatron into this "new" continuity, and he wouldn't have to be a gun.

I could see Cobra wanting to take Megatron from Hoover Dam being the event that attracts the Joes and the Autobots attention.

While Transformers One had a panel at SDCC, it quickly turned into a panel on how the GI Joe Crossover Film is not happening anytime soon. It was inevitable that questions on that movie would be asked since the Transformers One panel had both Chris Hemsworth and Lorenzo Di Bonaventura, which are both attached to the Transformers GI Joe film.

You can read the full answers to the questions below, but here are the main takeaways:

- They have yet to find a key to make the movie work due to there being a lot of characters in such a crossover
- The film is still in its creative phase, they are still working on what story it could be
- Hemsworth is unsure about his role in that movie at this point, he even jokes about being both Optimus Prime and a GI Joe character, talking to himself
- Bonaventura admits that characterization of the Transformers characters is poorer in live action films than animated projects due to the cost of special effects, meaning less focus and dialogue on the Transformers characters
- They would like to make another solo GI Joe film

Di Bonaventura on where they are at with the Transformers GI Joe movie:

We are definitely in the process of figuring out how to integrate G.I. Joe and Transformers. We’re in the creative process. We really have not discovered the key to that yet because one of the difficulties with it is there are so many characters that you feel you have to service, and when you do that, you never really deliver any good characters. So the trick here is to figure out how do you combine these two worlds with the least number of people or robots? That’s where it’s a big trick that we’re trying to figure out. So, we’re working with that.

Chris Hemsworth on his inclusion in the planned Live Action Movie.

“I don’t know yet,” Hemsworth admitted. “I keep getting asked about that. [Producer] Lorenzo [di Bonaventura] had brought it up when I was recording this film … and we started talking about where the universe could expand and how fun it could be. And look, I’m just down for great filmmakers, great scripts, great stories. There’s a lot of potential in this universe, in both the G.I. Joe world and the Transformers world, to recreate, try something different.”

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“We’ve had an early conversations about it, and about what the world has to offer, and I think there’s some really fun opportunities to expand the universe. Nothing official yet, it’s been in early creative discussions. But who knows? We’ll see. I love this experience. I loved working with Lorenzo Bonaventura and Paramount, I worked with Paramount years ago. But Lorenzo I’ve known for a lot of years and he’s just such a great creative partner.

[It would be] really fun to give something to audiences that’s a new take and something fresh. I’m not even sure [who I would play]. I was like, “Am I going to be, like, talking to myself? Am I still going to play Optimus Prime and then switch over to G.I. Joe? Do I get paid twice? What’s happening here?” That’s the important question.”

Di Bonaventura on standalone G.I. Joe movies:

We do intend to bring back G.I. Joe, a standalone. We’ve created a complication for ourselves because we just did the [Transformers: One] animated movie, and to our wonder and to our real happiness, because there are no human characters in the animated movie, the characters of the robots are so much more sophisticated around it. They cost too much in live-action, so we’re always trying to figure out how few words we can get from that, whereas, the animation is all the same. So, we’ve set a third problem for ourselves here, which is now the audience would be disappointed if we return to the same level of characterization we’ve had up to now.

Source is Entertainment Weekly: https://ew.com/chris-hemsworth-clarifie ... 24-8684201

Its good that they are taking their time to find the right angle for this movie. There is no rush to build a cinematic universe.

I mean they haven't figured out how to make a GI Joe movie and are hit and miss with Transformers movies... soooooo

Bumblevivisector wrote:"The Key to Make the Transformers GI Joe Crossover Movie Work"

Hmmmmmmm...



Scarlett Johansson as Marissa Faireborn?


Somehow strikes me as a bit more plausible after the big MCU announcement at SDCC.

I was thinking Scarlett as Scarlett

This story is about to open a can of worms. As was reported, Steven Caple Jr was interested in continuing his story after Rise of the Beasts, getting ready for the GI Joe crossover film. However, when the project was announced at Cinemacon, only Lorenzo Di Bonaventura and Steven Spielberg were were confirmed as attached with the project, with Di Bonaventura now being the principle producer of the film.

So where was Caple Jr? Well, it turns out that he left the project and is now going to direct I Am Legend 2. Now, not only do we have the confirmation of his departure (along with Di Bonaventura's confirmation of their current aimlessness), we also have the reason as to why. It seems Caple Jr and Di Bonaventura got into some heated arguments. He left after a Di Bonaventura went on a power trip of sorts, telling Caple Jr that he should be grateful for being on this project. The article below also claims some racially tinged dialogue was said by Di Bonaventura though it was not been confirmed by either involved, and their representatives have since denied this, instead referring to the exchange as a "heated negotiation that went south."

Below are all the details from the InSneider:

That said, there’s another reason that Caple landed the I Am Legend 2 gig, and that’s because he was available after turning down the chance to direct the Transformers-G.I. Joe movie for Paramount. And why was he available?

I’m told by multiple sources it’s because he got into a heated argument with producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura and walked away from the project.

I’m not going to get into the specifics of what I heard, but suffice it to say, I’m told that some of DiBonaventura’s comments were interpreted as racially-tinged and that the old-school producer — di Bonaventura is 67 years old — suggested Caple should be more grateful for the opportunity to direct the big-budget crossover movie, which is slated to star Chris Hemsworth.

Both Caple and di Bonaventura are represented by CAA, which denied that any incident occurred, with one agency insider suggesting it was merely a heated negotiation that went south — nothing out of the ordinary in the cutthroat world of Hollywood.

I’m certainly not suggesting that di Bonaventura is racist or anything like that, but I think we’re all guilty of micro-aggressions and things like that from time to time. From what I’ve been told by several different parties, it certainly sounds like that’s what happened here… at the very least.

I'm not at all surprised. Di Bonaventura needs to be taken as far away from the franchise as he can go.

I'm actually surprised stuff like this doesn't happen more often. Movie producers/directors tend to be even more egomaniacal than the super-villians they portray in their movies. It's inevitable that there will be head-butting and kerfuffles aplenty.

You'd never see me defending Di Bonaventura, but I honestly thought Caple Jr. was not the best choice for ROTB. It was too "Brooklyn, Baby!" focused for no good reasons, biting into too much TF lore/characters than he can chew ("I just want to see Unicron on screen!") and the whole Peru segment was such a waste (but the good thing was that the filming must've brought some good economic benefit to the region, so credits for that). Caple Jr. himself said he struggled mightily with the CG in post. It's just too "meh" with the only thing good about it are the good bot designs for me to collect in physical forms.

So I can imagine Di Bonaventura might rather subconsciously want to look for another director to handle the TFxJoe movie. Racist? Might be, but most likely not. Still, I'd be happy he'd shut up and Paramount just pass the projects on to another producer that knows & love the franchises to do a better job than him.

These things just happen so often in Hollywood, it's no big deal - nor a big lost to live-action TF franchise specifically - really?

Yeah, that's a good move. Caple Jr. shouldn't have directed RoTB, his focus and motivation wasn't beneficial for the Transformers characters. He's a mediocre director to begin with. Hopefully his replacement will have the best interests of the franchise(s) in mind, instead of what we got with RoTB.

Realistically, they should just not do the GI Joe/TF movie.

Lorenzeholio Strikes again!

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, that's a good move. Caple Jr. shouldn't have directed RoTB, his focus and motivation wasn't beneficial for the Transformers characters. He's a mediocre director to begin with. Hopefully his replacement will have the best interests of the franchise(s) in mind, instead of what we got with RoTB.

Hi Lorenzeholio, didn't know you had an account here.

SkyFire Prime wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, that's a good move. Caple Jr. shouldn't have directed RoTB, his focus and motivation wasn't beneficial for the Transformers characters. He's a mediocre director to begin with. Hopefully his replacement will have the best interests of the franchise(s) in mind, instead of what we got with RoTB.

Hi Lorenzeholio, didn't know you had an account here.

Are you going to be alright? Do you need a safe space?

Until Steve or Lorenzo talk about this themselves, I'm taking this story with a grain of salt.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Realistically, they should just not do the GI Joe/TF movie.

That is also a choice. If the ideas are not coming together, they could drop it. Its not like they are obliged to make this crossover.

Imo, before they go nut with a TF-Joe movie, they should make a trilogy of pure GI Joe movies. And yes, reboot the whole thing. The previous movies were trash.

And if they do restart the series, please make the movies PG-13 at the very most. Please respect the classic designs. Have a few nods to the classic cartoon by not taking yourself too seriously.

Then, once the universe and characters are well established, THEN we could add Transformers to the mix.

Agree with Rodimus. ROTB was mid, horribly average. The CGI was weak/bad, the story was something a kid can write. There was little tension, it was just forgettable.

Get a new director, a way better one and an actual writer.

Once someone drops the word racism there's a whole platoon of people eating it up. So tired of that.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Realistically, they should just not do the GI Joe/TF movie.

I'm inclined to agree. Both franchises have had a rather cursed history when it's come to crossovers between the two. If a G.I. Joe x Transformers movie crossover is desired so badly, there needs to be a status quo to work from first rather than straight out of the gate.

Dumping the Bayverse, and those responsible for it, in its entirety would do so much for establishing a better foundation to work with as well.

noctorro wrote:Once someone drops the word racism there's a whole platoon of people eating it up. So tired of that.

It's a marketing strategy that is less and less effective as time pass. People are tired to get lectured to and they vote with their wallet. And so far, most movies and games that are using these tactics to do some buzz are crashing and burning.

Hollywood is a slow learner, but I think the message is finally getting across.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, that's a good move. Caple Jr. shouldn't have directed RoTB, his focus and motivation wasn't beneficial for the Transformers characters. He's a mediocre director to begin with. Hopefully his replacement will have the best interests of the franchise(s) in mind, instead of what we got with RoTB.

Hi Lorenzeholio, didn't know you had an account here.

Are you going to be alright? Do you need a safe space?

LOL sounds like some internet asshole trying to be all edgy. Only safe space for the trolls is 6 feet under the ground.

Yes I said it and I meant it.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, that's a good move. Caple Jr. shouldn't have directed RoTB, his focus and motivation wasn't beneficial for the Transformers characters. He's a mediocre director to begin with. Hopefully his replacement will have the best interests of the franchise(s) in mind, instead of what we got with RoTB.

Hi Lorenzeholio, didn't know you had an account here.

Are you going to be alright? Do you need a safe space?

LOL sounds like some internet asshole trying to be all edgy. Only safe space for the trolls is 6 feet under the ground.

Yes I said it and I meant it.

Didn't even spell the insult correctly. Should be Lorenzoholio.