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glazer wrote:devestator --brawl - you guys are getting way off topic- so there's was a name change --"not that big of a deal"- sure it happens in all types of filming.

And your helping to keep us off topic.

glazer wrote: but in the movie i did see brawl in the captioning -say he's on the way to kick autobot butt at the end of the movie-i will watch it again for the 100th time. but i'm pretty sure he's say "brawl"

You need to get your eyes checked Seriously thou go ahead and watch it again.I posted a still from his only talking scene in my last post but some of it got cut off.

Here it is again:



As you can see the name Brawl was not used.

glazer wrote:so the topic is PRIME and weather or not you think there's going to be a new alt. mode or weather or not there's going to be new names added (((what not))- and your feelings on all this
--try not to get so lost in the details and come up with some ideas--------thanks to all so far you've all been great just try to take it easy----

I would say that if Prime does not get a new alt mode we will still get a new toy take on the model of truck he is.

you win-- your right lets talk about prime and or any new guys you would like to see in new movie- o.k. thanks bro.


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glazer wrote:you win-- your right lets talk about prime and or any new guys you would like to see in new movie- o.k. thanks bro.


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I wasnt trying to prove myself right to you so if I came off condesending I apoligize Its just that "Sabe" has a habit of correcting people while sighting bad information that he claims is 100% right and nevers lifts a finger to do any research himself.

Then he'll blame the people who gave him the bad info instead of saying the he was mistaken.

Anyway I have a real long list for characters for the next movie but I know that some of them wont make it.

Out of the ones I really want and I think have a pretty good chance of making it are Ultra Magnus Tracks.

I want to see the Dinobots or at least Grimlock but not as cars or tanks.I want them as Dino's but I'm guessing that anyway they might introduse them might be silly.

Altho an idea that "Sabe" had might work with a bit of retooling.

Hotrod I want but wont happen because of the trademark issue with his name.

And Omega Supreame.

I was registered on the movie's fourm site and the wrighters themselfs announced on that site and on another what the finnal cast list was and there was no Devistator on that list. The toy is named Brawl because that's the name of that character according to the wrighters. The only time he was called Devistator was in an old rough draft script but that was not the finnal name given to him.

That image you posted is a known error and it's mentioned on the wiki page here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_(film)#Decepticons So yes he WAS named Devistator at some point and that was probly never updated when the wrighters desided to rename him.

Saber Prime wrote:I was registered on the movie's fourm site and the wrighters themselfs announced on that site and on another what the finnal cast list was and there was no Devistator on that list. The toy is named Brawl because that's the name of that character according to the wrighters. The only time he was called Devistator was in an old rough draft script but that was not the finnal name given to him.

Did you not read this thread?

It doesn't matter what forum you registered. The writers would know that the texts used in the movie, yes actually used in the movie, was Devastator It was used, just like the picture demonstrates.

^ that text isn't added by us it is just a screen cap.

Sorry my link didn't work right, lets try this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_%28film%29

Just check, this link actully works, don't know why the other one didn't post right.

Scroll down to the Decepticon section and you'll find this quote.

The character was intended to be named Brawl, but a subtitled Cybertronian line reads "Devastator reporting". It was not fixed despite recognition of the error.

That's not his name, that's an error that was never fixed. The wrighters named him Brawl, it's in their web cast announcemnt and it's on the toy, that is his name.

If you want to contine to call him Devistator fine but you might as well call Blackout and Frenzy, Vortex and Soundwave while you're at it.

You don't get it.

What was released is what the public sees error or not. To go back and change it is doing to look bad and cause confusion. Not to mention other things.

Edit and this is on your so called link!
In the present day, the rest of the Decepticons—Blackout, Scorponok, Frenzy, Barricade, Starscream, Devastator and Bonecrusher—have

Sustain wrote:What was released is what the public sees error or not. To go back and change it is doing to look bad and cause confusion. Not to mention other things.

What confusion?

They named him Devistator originally. The error was made because of that.

The wrighters released to the public a FINNAL cast list (with the updated FINNAL names not the names given in old scripts) and said the character's name was Brawl. The toy is named Brawl by Hasbro.

I guess if you can say that his name is Devistator because of an error that was left in the film despite the wrighters making a public announcment that his name is Brawl than I can say Animated is a Continuation of G1 despite the wrighters saying it's not conected to any past series.

The whole "Devistator thing is based on a little scrap of text that appeared on the screen for like a second and most people don't even bother to read which is probly why they never bothered to fix it.

If they knew about it, it wasn't an error

AllRIGHT ALREADY-- next page of the story please-- thanks

glazer wrote:AllRIGHT ALREADY-- next page of the story please-- thanks

I agree! Does it really matter?? The movie was released WITH the discrepancy left as is. It is as it is. Next topic.

Saber Prime wrote:Yap Yap Yap

This is my point.You just cant admit to a mistake.

Heres what you said in your first staement:

Saber Prime wrote:There is no Devistator in the movie.

Now that theres proff that there was your trying to say that the fact that it was there doesnt matter.

Saber Prime wrote:That image you posted is a known error and it's mentioned on the wiki page here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_(film)#Decepticons So yes he WAS named Devistator at some point and that was probly never updated when the wrighters desided to rename him.

Most of the time you go around spreading un-researched information.

Now you sight Wiki as a source?????

Does your ignorance knows no bounds????

That site is "Notorious" for bad info and user edited errors as well as sometimes only having the opinion of the person sumitting the info.

Do you really expect us to believe is that the writters, the producers,all the assistants, the guys that add the text to the film and Mike Bay himself made the same mistake about the characters name.

And that when givvin their private showing weeks [if not mounths] of the finished movie, long before all the copies of the film were sent out to thearters, that "the writters, the producers,all the assistants, the guys that add the text to the film and Mike Bay himself" did not notice the mistaken name placed on screan.

I dont think all those people were that incompedent.While many of us might not have liked the direction of the movie nobody can claim that those guys did not work hard to bring the movie to us.

And if it was in fact a mistake .....tell me why it wasnt fixed on the DVD release??????

I heard that the writters and some of the people from Hasbro hinted that it may be fixed on the DVD release.

And it wasnt.So tell me why....if it was a mistake why Hasbro,Paramont or the ""the writters, the producers,all the assistants, the guys that add the text to the film and Mike Bay himself" would not have had it fixed for the DVD release????

They didnt even fix it for the I-Max release and that was the perfect oppertunity because they added other scenes.

I can tell you the most "Logical" reason why they didnt fix it......Because M.Bay didnt want to.Because it was his intention to use the name Devistator in his film.

My guess it was his way of making sure that the studio and Hasbro could not force him into useing characters that he didnt want to.He wanted his film to stand out amoung the other TF shows.

No matter what the writters said its the producers and the director that get the final say and the way I see it thats just what happened.

Sto, this time, you're the one who needs to do your research before basing your knowledge of the movie's characters on text that appears in the movie for about a second or less.

I and several others were registered on the movie's web site before the movie launched. Yes I have read the script before the movie ever came out. Yes Roberto and Alex did film a web cast before the movie came out, and yes they did say his name was BRAWL. Yes Hasbro has him labled as BRAWL. And Yes most fans call him BRAWL because they are all fans who have seen the announcment or the toys listing him as BRAWL.

Are you seriously sugesting that Hasbro and everyone on the movie's fourms are wrong about his name including the wrighters?

Sto, at least when I said Animated was a continuation of G1 I had more on screen evidence than you do right now and you still said I was wrong because the wrighters said it wasn't. Now you're the one saying the wrighters are wrong and you got nothing else to back you up except that little scrap of text. How do you think that makes you look right now?

Devistator i think would be a better name -although - everyone hasbro and the fans --i'm sure would not go for it -there's only one Devistator- you know the one -maybe bay made the call because brawl- is just not his style or something ((girls wear brawls )just a joke- sorry ladies-- anyway just bay's call to see the movie his way- witch it his baby--now-- i would just let it go --it's never going to end --only because there's two more movies to talk about--i'm sure there going to be something crazy in them as well-so do you think wheeljack(?)alt. mode-- will ever get in to the movies or is that name all legally lock up to? i also think maybe bring back red alert(countach) or maybe smokescreen ----- gotta go fill in later------------------

glazer wrote:Devistator i think would be a better name -although - everyone hasbro and the fans --i'm sure would not go for it -there's only one Devistator- you know the one -maybe bay made the call because brawl- is just not his style or something ((girls wear brawls )just a joke- sorry ladies-- anyway just bay's call to see the movie his way- witch it his baby--now-- i would just let it go --it's never going to end --only because there's two more movies to talk about--i'm sure there going to be something crazy in them as well-so do you think wheeljack(?)alt. mode-- will ever get in to the movies or is that name all legally lock up to? i also think maybe bring back red alert(countach) or maybe smokescreen ----- gotta go fill in later------------------

The name Wheeljack was used in Transformers Armada so obviously Hasbro still owns the name. Not sure why Energon Downshift wasn't given that name (at least for the US, I know the Superlink versoin is called Wheeljack) though sence he actully LOOKS like Wheeljack.

Saber Prime wrote:Sto, this time, you're the one who needs to do your research before basing your knowledge of the movie's characters on text that appears in the movie for about a second or less.

Its not an issue of doing research.You said the name "Devestator" was not used in the film and it was.And now you admit that it was.

This debate was not about what the writters wanted the name to be.

It was not about wether it was a mistake that they use the name "Devestator" .

It was just the simple fact that they did.

I have proved my point correct.

And this time you admited it.

Saber Prime wrote:I and several others were registered on the movie's web site before the movie launched. Yes I have read the script before the movie ever came out. Yes Roberto and Alex did film a web cast before the movie came out, and yes they did say his name was BRAWL. Yes Hasbro has him labled as BRAWL. And Yes most fans call him BRAWL because they are all fans who have seen the announcment or the toys listing him as BRAWL.

I'm awaer of the web cast.I saw it on the web the first time it aired [or what ever you call it online ].I'm awear that both the writters and Hasbro intended that the name be Brawl.That was not in dibute.

However I still contend that it was not a mistake that the name "Devestator" was used on the character instead of Brawl.

You see what ever the writters wanted the characters name to be, it was the directors perrogitave to change it if he wanted to.

Some one here posted a interview with M.Bay a while back in which the question about the name change was raised and his answer was that he prefered the name "Devestator" and thought it was more dangerious sounding then Brawl.

I cant find the interview anymore and the only proof of it that I can find is a small mention of it on Wiki's Teletran 1 page and an exsert on the interview from TFW2005 froasm page.

Now I never quote wiki because of their rep but what the hell here are both links.

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Brawl
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost. ... tcount=122

Quote from interview

I asked Michael Bay at the press conference, 'which is it'? He said simply, to him it is Devastator and always meant to be, because it sounds more dangerous and destructive for a Decepticon. From his tone, and the way he described it, it is Devastator, and everything else is wrong.

And I also find it funny that the Novel of the Movie also does not call him Brawl.

Saber Prime wrote:Are you seriously sugesting that Hasbro and everyone on the movie's fourms are wrong about his name including the wrighters?

Your not getting it.Its not an issue of wether anybody body else is wrong.

Its just you thats wrong.I never made a statement saying that the writters didnt want to use the name Brawl.

On the other hand you did say:

Saber Prime wrote:There is no Devistator in the movie.

And there was.You were wrong in saying that there wasnt.

Saber Prime wrote:Sto, at least when I said Animated was a continuation of G1 I had more on screen evidence than you do right now and you still said I was wrong because the wrighters said it wasn't.

No I gave you more then one reason why G1 and Animated were not connected.

What the writters and producers said about it was last on my list.

The main reason I said that you were wrong was because what we saw and heard in the episode didnt fit with knowen G1 history.

Second the only evidence you had was a few minutes [if that] of G1 footage being used in the first episode of Animated.That was circumstancial because there was no concrete dialog stateing that the events we saw were 100% the same events of the G1 serries.

Yes they used the term "The great war" but that can be applyed to a great many wars.

On the other had this debate was not about wether or not the writters wanted to use the name Brawl but wether the name Deverstator was used in the movie.

And it was.

Saber Prime wrote: Now you're the one saying the wrighters are wrong and you got nothing else to back you up except that little scrap of text.

I never said the writters were wrong.I never said that they didnt want to use the name Brawl.

Show me where I said it????

I did say that it was my opinion that it was not a mistake.I have a right to my opinion.

Saber Prime wrote:How do you think that makes you look right now?

Like I'm 100% right.

And you look like a fool.

I proved my point.The name Devestator was used in the film and thats all I said.

I never said that the writters intended to use the name Devestator....just that it was used in the film.

1. I never said the name Devistator was never used.

Here's what I did say.

Saber Prime wrote:There is no Devistator in the movie. I think one of the characters was originally called that because several of the cast went threw different name changes in the different drafts of the script before the movie was finished but the finnal cast list came out as.

Megatron, Starscream, Barricade, Frenzy, Blackout, Scorpinok, Bonecrusher, and Brawl.

Bonecrusher would have been the one that was called Devistator in one of the rough drafts of the script. Frenzy was originally called Soundwave and Blackout was called Vortex. Otheres might have undergone simular name changes but these are the only ones I knew about from reading the leaked script.

And then you said that was wrong so you did in fact say that the wrighters were wrong because that information came from them.

The only thing I said in there that is in fact wrong is that Bonecrusher was the one who had that name. It was Brawl who had it but either way that is not the character's offical name. I was stateing that as a fact not an opinion. His name is Brawl according to Hasbro and the wrighters.

2. You NEVER stated that as an opinion, you stated it as a fact that was his name and then you started the argument to prove it was fact and now that you can't you're stateing it's an opinion.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:It was a bit confuseing.It looked like Devestator and Blackout were killed.Bonecrusher and Megatron did in fact die.Frenzy and Scopernox are questionible.Barricade just uped and drove away and Starscream left.

Here's your original statement. I didn't change anything now where did you say anything about that being your opinion? I see nothing.

Devestator was in the movie. Everybody saw it.

Make sure spellcheck is turned on. It will make your arguments seem more credible even when they're not.

Saber Prime wrote:1. I never said the name Devistator was never used.

Yes you did.

Saber Prime wrote:There is no Devistator in the movie. I think one of the characters was originally called that because several of the cast went threw different name changes in the different drafts of the script before the movie was finished but the finnal cast list came out as.

Megatron, Starscream, Barricade, Frenzy, Blackout, Scorpinok, Bonecrusher, and Brawl.

Bonecrusher would have been the one that was called Devistator in one of the rough drafts of the script. Frenzy was originally called Soundwave and Blackout was called Vortex. Otheres might have undergone simular name changes but these are the only ones I knew about from reading the leaked script.

There it is right there in big bold red letters.

Saber Prime wrote:And then you said that was wrong so you did in fact say that the wrighters were wrong because that information came from them.

No I said you were wrong.I never stated what the writters wanted.....only what was in fact the characters name in the movie.

I said that you were wrong on many levels but I never said you were completly wrong and I never pointed out all the thing you said wrong on but I did say where you were right..

Here is what I said about you being wrong:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Did you even go see the movie when it was released????

I guess you dont own the movie on DVD????

If you did then your you need to be checked for Alzheimer's.

You are wrong on so many levels in this post.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you but when are you going to learn to do some research on a topic before talking about it like you know something????

There was "A" Devistator in bays movie.It is the tank that most fans and the toy call Brawl.

That is the way it appeared in the theater release and it is the way it appeared on the DVD release.

While you right a good number of the cast went trew a faw name changes for a few different reasons the name of the Tank in the movie was indeed Devistator.

While theres been some roumers that it was a mistake cause by someone not getting a memo I contend that it was delibrately done by M.Bay himself.

Most fans prefer to call the tank "Brawl" because it was the name givven to him on the toy release but it was not the name givven to the character in the film.

As you can see I only pointed out that the name in the movie was Deverstator and that you were wrong for saying that it wasnt.

I said nothing about the writters or what they wanted.

What the writters wanted is irrevelant to this issue and debate because I was speeking about what name was used in the movie.

Nothing more.

Saber Prime wrote:The only thing I said in there that is in fact wrong is that Bonecrusher was the one who had that name. It was Brawl who had it but either way that is not the character's offical name. I was stateing that as a fact not an opinion. His name is Brawl according to Hasbro and the wrighters.

WOW you finaly admited to making a mistake.....there's hope for you yet.

Saber Prime wrote:2. You NEVER stated that as an opinion, you stated it as a fact that was his name and then you started the argument to prove it was fact and now that you can't you're stateing it's an opinion.

Here's your original statement.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:It was a bit confuseing.It looked like Devestator and Blackout were killed.Bonecrusher and Megatron did in fact die.Frenzy and Scopernox are questionible.Barricade just uped and drove away and Starscream left.

I didn't change anything

Because that part is fact.The character was in fact called Devestator in the movie.

Saber Prime wrote:now where did you say anything about that being your opinion? I see nothing.

Damn your stupid.

Dude you really need to freshen up your reading skills.

The point that is my opinion is not the fact that the name Deverstator was used in the movie but the REASON the name Deverstator was used in the movie.

And I did say it as an opinion that it was not a mistake.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
I can tell you the most "Logical" reason why they didnt fix it......Because M.Bay didnt want to.Because it was his intention to use the name Devistator in his film.

My guess it was his way of making sure that the studio and Hasbro could not force him into useing characters that he didnt want to.He wanted his film to stand out amoung the other TF shows.

No matter what the writters said its the producers and the director that get the final say and the way I see it thats just what happened.

Next time read all of a persons posts and then re-read them before you try challenging them.

Your only proving how ignorant you are.

Is all the name-calling necessary? Good debates are nice, but when they degenerate into name-calling, it is no longer good!

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:There is no Devistator in the movie. I think one of the characters was originally called that because several of the cast went threw different name changes in the different drafts of the script before the movie was finished but the finnal cast list came out as.

Megatron, Starscream, Barricade, Frenzy, Blackout, Scorpinok, Bonecrusher, and Brawl.

Bonecrusher would have been the one that was called Devistator in one of the rough drafts of the script. Frenzy was originally called Soundwave and Blackout was called Vortex. Otheres might have undergone simular name changes but these are the only ones I knew about from reading the leaked script.

There it is right there in big bold red letters.

Yeah, now read the rest of the quote.

At least you didn't cut the quote up into little pieces this time.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:And then you said that was wrong so you did in fact say that the wrighters were wrong because that information came from them.

No I said you were wrong.I never stated what the writters wanted.....only what was in fact the characters name in the movie.

You just said the wrighters were wrong again. It's right there in bold red letters. It doesn't matter what that text says in the movie, the people who wrote the movie called him Brawl.

I never even challenged your opinion on why you think the name Devistator was used, I don't care why you think that name was used. All I challened was that you called him Devistator as if that was his offical name, it's not.

Pyrostrata wrote:Is all the name-calling necessary? Good debates are nice, but when they degenerate into name-calling, it is no longer good!

No I guess your right.I'm sorry about that to all and to Sabe.

Saber Prime wrote:Yeah, now read the rest of the quote.

The rest of the quote doest change the fact that you said there was no Deverstator in the film.

If you had said "there shouldnt have been a deverstator in the film" or something to that effect then you may have been right.

But you worded it wrong. You said there was no Deverstator in the film.

And there was.

Saber Prime wrote:At least you didn't cut the quote up into little pieces this time.

I only do that to save time and most of the times I do it at the end of a sentence.

Saber Prime wrote:You just said the wrighters were wrong again. It's right there in bold red letters. It doesn't matter what that text says in the movie, the people who wrote the movie called him Brawl.

I did not say the writters are wrong.Please show me how what I said says that????

This is not a debate about what the writters wanted or what they intended or what the writters think should be the offical name of the character.

Its a debate about what did end up on screan no matter the reason behind it or the intentions of the writters.

Tell me something if you trow a ball at your friend while playing chach and the ball breaks a window does the fact that you werent intending to break the window change the fact that the window is broken?????

Same thing applys here.....what ever the writters intended for the character's name to be can not change the fact of what name ended up on screan.

I'm not saying the writters are wrong, I'm just saying that the name in the film was Deverstator.

Thats a fact.

Saber Prime wrote:I never even challenged your opinion on why you think the name Devistator was used, I don't care why you think that name was used. All I challened was that you called him Devistator as if that was his offical name, it's not.

How do you determin what is offical?????

Yes the writters say it Brawl.

Hasbro says its Brawl

M.Bay says its Deverstator

Paramont says its Deverstator.

Looks like were even.

Or are we???? Because M.Bay has creative control of the script and can over rule the writters on any character name changes.

So the way I see it the director trumps the writters.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:How do you determin what is offical?????

Yes the writters say it Brawl.

Hasbro says its Brawl

M.Bay says its Deverstator

Paramont says its Deverstator.

Looks like were even.

Or are we???? Because M.Bay has creative control of the script and can over rule the writters on any character name changes.

So the way I see it the director trumps the writters.

Where did Bay and Paramount say his name was Deverstator? Where's you're evidence of that? The only evidence you've shown me is that little thing of text that appered in the movie. That doesn't mean a thing. That could be nothing more than an error. That's all I belive it is.

Unless you have seen or read an interview with Bay that says that for a fact then that's just your opinion. Show me that interview or addmit his offical name is Brawl, not Deverstator.

Right now you have two conflicting statements. One that says it's your opinion and other that says it's fact. It can't be both so which is it?

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:only what was in fact the characters name in the movie.

You asked me to show how you said the wrighters where wrong so I'll exsplain.

The wrighters announcement said the character's name is Brawl.

You say his name is Deverstator and you said that's a FACT. It's right there in your quote, I didn't add that you said it.

The real fact here is that the name was added by mistake and that his offical name is Brawl.

You think it's there because Bay wanted it there. That's your opinion but you can not use an opinion to back up a fact so by this you're haveing two contridicting statements. One that says it's an opinion and the other stateing it's a fact.

If it is an opinion then fine. If you're saying this as fact then you're wrong. You have no offical word from Bay saying that's his name.

So if you're saying his name is Deverstator based solely on your own opinion then you are saying the wrighters were wrong. Now if you can actully provide proof that Bay intentinally changed the name to Deverstator then you have nothing.

And I allready know you don't have that proof because you said yourself that's only what you think happened.