ZeroWolf wrote:Scottywan82 wrote:Autobot N wrote:Looks fine but I'm satisfied with TR Blitzwing
For real. Also, how is this new one a Leader class? By what metric does this rate $50?
Complexity and parts count.
Sowndwave76 wrote:I cannot wait to get this Blitzwing.
Faux parts have never bothered me much at all.
That bot mode is on point, and the tank is pretty solid as well. I don't really even care about the nosecone... The extra energon hands will be stored away. Oh well.
The jet definitely suffers from tank kibble, but he'll be in bot mode pretty much 100% of the time on my shelf.
This will be the only Blitzwing I've ever had...
Finally, the wait is over!!!!
Although at least with Astrotrain the transformation wasn't as messy (no fake wings or the like) and he had the bonus of completing the steam engine mode with a tender that also acted as an A.I.R.Lock platform for the Decepticon side.o.supreme wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Scottywan82 wrote:Autobot N wrote:Looks fine but I'm satisfied with TR Blitzwing
For real. Also, how is this new one a Leader class? By what metric does this rate $50?
Complexity and parts count.
Same as Siege Astrotrain which was also a Leader,makes sense.
They're probably something made up to be his Energon Weapon like with Skids' axe. There might be a B.A.F. thing going on with some of those, hard to say just yet. Especially with the lack of pics on the Voyagers.o.supreme wrote:I still can't get over those big beefy hand accessories though...is there some really obscure reference I'm missing? (I get most of em, right away including Black Zarak eye patch from Zone on the headmaster)
I dunno, everything we've seen so far suggests it's a really risky assumption.sol magnus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.
Not much of an assumption.
Faux parts that were not necessarily needed to get a decent cartoon Blitzwing. Especially since they may have contributed to him ending up at the Leader price point and to having a jet mode with even more junk under it than the original toy (it makes Combiner Wars Silverbolt look tidy).sol magnus wrote:Bltizwing looks awesome. Faux parts? Whatever.
Scottywan82 wrote:Autobot N wrote:Looks fine but I'm satisfied with TR Blitzwing
For real. Also, how is this new one a Leader class? By what metric does this rate $50?
Munkky wrote:Blitzwing looks nice enough, I probably will get him. The cockpit sticking out of the tank's front probably is a mis-transformation, I'll be surprised if it is actually intended to look like that.
No, not necessarily. The not-actually-cartoon-accurate faux-canopy on the underside of the fuselage is obviously meant to be seen... but the cockpit might not be meant to stick out past the treads like that.william-james88 wrote:Check the tank mode and then check the jet mode and tell me if the cockpit canopy is the same. That will help you see whether or not it's mistransformed.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:No, not necessarily. The not-actually-cartoon-accurate faux-canopy on the underside of the fuselage is obviously meant to be seen... but the cockpit might not be meant to stick out past the treads like that.william-james88 wrote:Check the tank mode and then check the jet mode and tell me if the cockpit canopy is the same. That will help you see whether or not it's mistransformed.
We're lookin' at two different things, compadre'.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Although at least with Astrotrain the transformation wasn't as messy (no fake wings or the like) and he had the bonus of completing the steam engine mode with a tender that also acted as an A.I.R.Lock platform for the Decepticon side.I dunno, everything we've seen so far suggests it's a really risky assumption.sol magnus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.
Not much of an assumption.
Faux parts that were not necessarily needed to get a decent cartoon Blitzwing. Especially since they may have contributed to him ending up at the Leader price point and to having a jet mode with even more junk under it than the original toy (it makes Combiner Wars Silverbolt look tidy).sol magnus wrote:Bltizwing looks awesome. Faux parts? Whatever.
AcademyofDrX wrote:Similarly the chest isn't a "fake" part in my opinion, they just divided it into multiple parts, with the nosecone base remaining as the chest piece..
There musn't. But it's preferable wherever possible to not make the imperfect template look perfect by comparison.sol magnus wrote:Bltizwing looks awesome. Faux parts? Whatever.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Faux parts that were not necessarily needed to get a decent cartoon Blitzwing. Especially since they may have contributed to him ending up at the Leader price point and to having a jet mode with even more junk under it than the original toy (it makes Combiner Wars Silverbolt look tidy).
Eh, there's been kibble on EVERY Blitzwing interpretation. Why must there be absolute perfection from an imperfect template?
Only if you count Powermaster Optimus Prime as the beginning lol. And they should only be used where needed, not as a designer's cop-out and especially not where they actually make things less accurate.sol magnus wrote:"Faux parts"?? Been there since the beginning.
Yes. There are constraints. However, we have seen that it is possible to do better than this within those constraints - case in point, TR Blitzwing. And I think sticking closer to that engineering would have given us a Blitzwing that looked just as nice in bot mode as this... without going from "jet with a tank stuck to its bottom" to "jet with a tank stuck to its bottom and half another tank stuck to that tank."sol magnus wrote:Kibble? It happens. Because there are constraints.
Pretty much my opinion as well, except I don't care for TR Blitzwing either. I think the last 3 (including Legacy) figures for this character have been swing and miss. The last fun Blitzwing toy I handled was the TFA figure.william-james88 wrote:This toy suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks as a transformers toy. It does all the kind of crap I hate where it goes out of its way to be toon accurate by giving us a ton of faux parts. That's not the point of these toys I love, the genius is in having a bot go from one mode to the next and the parts being reassembled to give something new. But instead here we have:
Fake wings in robot mode (the jet wings are in the legs)
Fake jet cockpit kibble in tank mode to resemble the G1 model (the actual plane cockpit does not have the same details)
Fake parts to give you a G1 toon look which was inspired by lack of complexity in the original G1 toys.
Gonna stick with TR blitzwing even though I don't like his arms.
I can't speak for everyone, but I wasn't expecting it so much as hoping for it? Considering both the fact that Animated is (I think) the only continuity with zero representation in Legacy thus far that we know of (unless one counts Bulkhead as Animated and Prime), and that the Animated faces don't take away from the potential accuracy of a G1-looking Blitzy since one of the faces was already his G1 face, it would have been nice to have it included. It also would have instantly pushed me to buy it, since the only reason I even have TR Blitzwing/attachment to the character whatsoever is because of Animated, and Animated influence is therefore an instant upgrade over the TR figure in my eyes. Instead, they went full G1, which I can't say surprises me, but definitely doesn't interest me like an Animated-influenced one would.o.supreme wrote:Looks pretty good for the most part. Not sure why some people expected the TFA gimmick? It's not based on that rendition of the character.
Nemesis Primal wrote:The Energon gauntlets remind me of the combiner hands/guns from the Energon combiners, and I don't think that's a compliment. I can't tell if they can actually close into fists? The thumbs looks to be static and in the way.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:an accessory that's really meant for another character... being packaged with a different one, because that one has the budget or just provides the opportunity. It's happened before.
o.supreme wrote:Looks pretty good for the most part. Not sure why some people expected the TFA gimmick? It's not based on that rendition of the character. This is supposed to be more faithful to the original whereas T30 was a mash up.
blackeyedprime wrote:Still not sure what the parts count and complexuty has to do with pricing, not as though they have die cast metal, electronics or working firing mechanisms like toys designed from wooden blocks did years ago. Hasbro charges what they want when the buyers pay it, end of.
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Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Hellscream9999 wrote:The fists are cool, but I'm going to be livid if at the end of all this, they reveal that you could build a sick bot out of all the parts from the line
To be fair, Energon Tidal Wave's entire lower arms & hands are Energon/clear plastic, and Tidal Wave was a much more prevalent character than those combiners, so I can see why your mind jumped there first even though the design is less similar.SpaceEagle wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:The Energon gauntlets remind me of the combiner hands/guns from the Energon combiners, and I don't think that's a compliment. I can't tell if they can actually close into fists? The thumbs looks to be static and in the way.
Oh I'm silly, of course they'd reference the Energon combiners in a line with a buncha energon weapons in it. No idea why I defaulted to Tidal Wave...aside from the big chunky forearms, but maybe they're gonna do some sort of BAF for...Nexus Prime, perhaps?
Higher parts count = higher cost to manufacture = higher retail charge required to make a profit in return.blackeyedprime wrote:Still not sure what the parts count and complexuty has to do with pricing
But Hasbro only puts out sentence-long bios at this point, it's not like a new Blitzwing having that gimmick suddenly invalidates that lore unless they for some reason dedicate that sentence-long bio to saying "Blitzwing has 3 faces because he feels like it". It's more likely that they just wouldn't address it and would leave it up to the customer to use/justify the 3 faces or just ignore them and treat the figure as a full G1 Blitzy.Sabrblade wrote:In Blitzwing's case, they took the one notable thing about the only non-G1 Blitzing at the time, and meshed it with a G1-styled Blitzwing. But the thing is, Animated Blitzwing had that face-changing split personality quirk because of his being a triple-changer. That was his in-story reason for having the multiple faces in the first place. And when Megatron was gonna become a triple-changer himself in season 4, the plan was for his mind, like Blitzwing's, to have been affected by the process, made mentally unstable and gradually become more and more insane over time. In Animated, triple-changing = madness.
And taking that from Animated Blitwing to just give it to G1 Blitzwing for no other reason than "Because Animated did it" and without all the thought and care that went into why Animated Blitzwing had it in the first place, just lessens the impact of how special Animated Blitzwing is own his own, independently of G1 Blitzwing.
...you and I may have disagreed on many things in the past (the Velocitron stuff being the most recent example), but when it comes to Siege/ER Astrotrain and this upcoming Menasor, we are united in our opinions.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Although at least with Astrotrain the transformation wasn't as messy (no fake wings or the like) and he had the bonus of completing the steam engine mode with a tender that also acted as an A.I.R.Lock platform for the Decepticon side.o.supreme wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Scottywan82 wrote:Autobot N wrote:Looks fine but I'm satisfied with TR Blitzwing
For real. Also, how is this new one a Leader class? By what metric does this rate $50?
Complexity and parts count.
Same as Siege Astrotrain which was also a Leader,makes sense.I dunno, everything we've seen so far suggests it's a really risky assumption.sol magnus wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.
Not much of an assumption.
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