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Sabrblade wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Anything is an improvement over CW Menasor.

Even if it were to turn out like FOC Bruticus?

Ok there's one thing that isn't an improvement over CW Menasor

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Some CW Stunticons didn't even have feat. And Breakdown was pure garbage. Looking forward to selling those off

Transformers Legacy leader class Blitzwing is almost ready for the distribution phase and some fans have gotten their hands on him. While there is no review yet, we do have an image of Blitzwing in tank mode. While it is a leader class figure, price point wise, this toy will be around the same size as Siege Astrotrain, who was also a leader class figure. He is said to come with several accessories aside from his gun and sword. While the image below is very blurry, it seems that the nose cone is at the front of the tank between the treads. But this could be wrong, you'll let us know what you think.

Sabrblade wrote:He kinda looks vaguely like an H-tank from that angle.

But he isn't. And that is indeed the nose cone at the front, making him look like the G1 sunbow model (though I think it's more of a necessity than a needed homage)

His tank mode looks familiar

He better have his Animated faces, and that would be instant buy!

I am so excited for this figure!!!!

Albatross250 wrote:His tank mode looks familiar

He better have his Animated faces, and that would be instant buy!

That would be great! This looks like a sure buy as it is.

Albatross250 wrote:His tank mode looks familiar

He better have his Animated faces, and that would be instant buy!

Agreed. After TFA, I can only imagine that version's voice and mannerisms whenever I think about Blitzwing. He was pretty bland and anonymous in the G1 cartoon. But TFA made him a sour ball of personality!

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Isn't saying the arms are fixed in place because you have to move little panels out of the way to move them the same as saying a lot of figures have fixed legs because you have to move a skirt panel and still can't quite get them to sit? Seems like a weird complaint. Sure he can't pick his arms up over his head, but they aren't fixed.

Emerje

It's the shoulders, not the arms. It's that the shoulders have been changed from being working shoulders part of the arms into armor kibble now separate from the arms, no longer a part of them, which alters the character's iconic silhouette and restricts arm movement now that big shoulder pads are in way of letting his arms raise up, instead of those shoulder pads being the shoulders themselves.

But that's just it, it's shoulder armor, not his actual shoulders. He has articulation at the shoulder, it's just a little restricted by the armor. The shoulder armor is fixed, his shoulders aren't, they're restricted to probably 180 degrees which is fine. Doesn't really bother me much, my Transformers don't spend a lot of time trying to ask the teacher a question or flying like Superman.

Emerje

But in the year 2022, all sword-wielding toys are expected to be able to lift the swords like He-Man getting the power.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Emerje wrote:I don't really see why Deathsaurus would need to be Commander class, he doesn't need to be that complex. Hasbro said Star Saber was Leader size so a large leader like Grimlock should be enough plus his partners can be sold as Core figures like SS Ravage.

Emerje

That's the keyword here. "size".
We all know that nowadays, it means nothing.

Well to some people size still has some meaning.

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Anything is an improvement over CW Menasor.

No it isn't.
Getting a toy based on the animation's frequent misinterpretation of Menasor's design, where rather than actually being combined... the smaller Stunticons are stuck in inflated Motormaster limbs as if they were Mini-Cons... That would be equally crap, just in a different way.
And given Drag Strip splits in half, I fear that's where we're heading.

That or it's some awkward new system where you have to split the figures in half and partsform in the combiner joint. And of course they've mucked things up by getting rid of the perfectly good CW connection system..

I would personally prefer the next commander be a Beast Wars Tigerhawk or Magnaboss. Menasor is maybe the one (bad) exception where a commander torso with skeleton limbs would (badly) work, the other combiners really don't need that honestly.

Thanks to some posts by Seibertronains Crankcase79 and chuckdawg1999, we have a couple of video reviews for the newest Transformers Legacy core class figures. These reviews focus in on the Core class for wave 1, with Crankcase79 giving us a good long look at Iguanus, arguably the most anticipated Wave 1 Core Class figure. We then switch over to our old pal chuck, who shows us the entire wave 1 of Hot Rod, Iguanus, and Skywarp along with their combining weapon schtick.

Check out the reviews below, and let us know what you think in the comments section below!

chuckdawg1999 wrote:For our first look at Legacy, the new Generations sub-theme, we have one new mold, a repaint, and a repack from the previous line that was meant as a back-door preview to Legacy. All in all, not an impressive start. On a positive note, Iguanus is a really good figure and more people should be able to find Hot Rod now, I hope. Skywarp is fine, but I'm disappointed by the lack of arm blasters that are a Seeker standard. The combined sword is a thing, but I don't see many people using it. Overall, having seen the rest of Wave 01, I feel that Legacy can only go up from here.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Menasor is maybe the one (bad) exception where a commander torso with skeleton limbs would (badly) work, the other combiners really don't need that honestly.

Yeah, I don't really understand why people think more combiners should be done like this in the future. It only "works" (cautiously optimistic) with Menasor because he had that look on the cartoon and Motormaster has the trailer to help pull it off. There's really no need for other combiners to do this or the bulk built in to pull it off. What do you remove from Silverbolt to pull this off? This should really be a one off, save Commander class next year for something else. I'm still rooting for Magnaboss and Tripredacus, if TM2 Megatron can be a Leader then so can Tigerhawk.

Emerje

I don't think even Menasor should be done that way. The trailer turning into the torso rather than Motormaster as a cab doing so or Motormaster as an underscale semi? That much, I could deal with. But going UW-Onslaugh-but-even-dumber and duplicating animation incompetence to where he's not even a real combiner anymore (especially since the actual character model got things right even if the animation in motion often didn't)? That, is trash and belongs in the trash.

As far as the next Commander-class goes, I'm more hoping for A. Overlord, to be better sized and have the full base mode instead of TR's watered-down shadow of it, B. Optimus Prime to just finally get him right already and have done with it, or B. Ultra Magnus. Magnaboss and Tripredacus, I'd rather see reissues of. I'm not sure how well remakes would turn out, even if they could both stand improvement.

I wonder if two-packs of the Trainbots could be done at the Leader price point.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Anything is an improvement over CW Menasor.

No it isn't.
Getting a toy based on the animation's frequent misinterpretation of Menasor's design, where rather than actually being combined... the smaller Stunticons are stuck in inflated Motormaster limbs as if they were Mini-Cons... That would be equally crap, just in a different way.
And given Drag Strip splits in half, I fear that's where we're heading.

That or it's some awkward new system where you have to split the figures in half and partsform in the combiner joint. And of course they've mucked things up by getting rid of the perfectly good CW connection system..

Do you own CW Menasor? That thing is awful

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Assuming Menasor is worth completing.

Anything is an improvement over CW Menasor.

No it isn't.
Getting a toy based on the animation's frequent misinterpretation of Menasor's design, where rather than actually being combined... the smaller Stunticons are stuck in inflated Motormaster limbs as if they were Mini-Cons... That would be equally crap, just in a different way.
And given Drag Strip splits in half, I fear that's where we're heading.

That or it's some awkward new system where you have to split the figures in half and partsform in the combiner joint. And of course they've mucked things up by getting rid of the perfectly good CW connection system..

Do you own CW Menasor? That thing is awful

Yes, I do. Well, sort of - Wildrider, Dragstrip, and Breakdown are all repainted Autobots because the eBay prices on the actual limbs can go <CENSORED>. And yes, it is, because the torso mold was designed more as an Optimus Prime than it was as a torso.
And I reiterate that Bad Animation Menasor would be equally awful, just in a different way. I want a real improvement, not to trade one set of f***ups for a different set of f***ups

From what I remember seeing, I don’t recall anyone thinking future combiners should use the same combining system as this new Menasor (assuming it ends up being what most think).
It really wouldn’t work for the other teams.

CW Menasor was not good… Maybe the worst if the lot.
But I also don’t know what people would expect for this new version.
It’s clear that screen/cartoon accuracy has been a priority.
The other thing is when people say they’d like something new & different, that’s fine, but to expect that to really come to fruition seems unreasonable & unrealistic.
You could say the CW version was new… It did look different while having plenty of visual elements of the original.
And a lot of people have hated on it since its release.

So I’m optimistic about this Legacy offering.
I’d hope Hastak has taken whatever cues necessary to make this a solid set.
And I think it will be.
Of course, if you never liked Menasor’s design to begin with, then save $200 & don’t bother.

I’m anxiously looking forward to this guy because I want more Deceptions, & I do like his G1 appearance.

We were missing the final wave of figures last time we gave you a wave breakdown for Legacy. Well, thanks to fellow Seibertronian JTPrime17, we now have product numbers showing us who will be the deluxes and voyagers in wave 4. As expected, the final Stunticon breakdown will be there, along with 2 repacks (anyone still looking for Earthrise Wheeljack?). As for voyagers, we will have the Blaster redeco, Twincast! It is unknown which cassette partner he will be paired with. Below are the newly found product codes followed by an updated full wave breakdown.

Tra Gen Legacy ev Deluxe Cheetor Pr
Product number: F3516

Tra Gen Legacy ev Deluxe Wheeljack Pr
Product Number: F3307

Tra Gen legacy ev Deluxe Stunticon Breakdown
Product Number: F3036

Tra Gen legacy ev voyager Twincast
Product Number: F3059

Core:
Wave 1:
Skywarp x2
Hot Rod x3
Iguanus x3

Wave 2:
Iguanas x1
Optimus Prime (repack) x1
G2 Megatron x2
Shockwave x2

Wave 3:
Soundwave (repack)
Energon monster


Wave 4:
Skullgrin
Megatron (repack)

Deluxe:

Wave 1:
Skids x2
Dragstrip x2
Prime Arcee x2
Kickback x2

Wave 2:
Prime Knockout x2
Elita 1 x2
Tarantulas x2
Wildrider x2

Wave 3:
Pointblank x2
Crankcase x2
Energon monster x2
Deadend x2

wave 4:
Wheeljack (repack)
Cheetor (repack)
Breakdown

Voyager:

wave 1:
Blaster x2
Bulkhead x1

wave 2:
Soundwave (repack) x2
Jhiaxus x1

wave 3:
Armada Starscream x2
Beast wars Inferno x1

wave 4:
Twincast


Leader:

Wave 1:
Lazer Optimus Prime
Galvatron (Repack)

Wave 2:
Blitzwing
Lazer Optimus Prime

Wave 3:
Dragon Megatron
Blitzwing

Commander:
Motormaster

Titan:
Cybertron Metroplex

Eh, as far as I'm concerned multiple figures coming together in any way makes a combiner, it doesn't matter how essential or ridiculous their inclusion is. We still call Magnaboss a 3 figure combiner despite Silverbolt being nothing more than decorations and boob canons.

And really, it's silly that people are so hooked up on the arms when the legs are basically the same between both animation models so it's just the arms that are in question. Also since there's a break in Dragstrip where the elbow joint will be we can tell he'll be forming the bulk of the arm, why are we so hooked up on combiner pegs and fists directly inserting into the car?

At least we know for a fact he won't look like this:



Or this:



Because of the elbow joint. It'll look more like a normal combiner than whole cars hanging off his shoulders. I'm looking forward to it, I think the arms with a dedicated elbow joint will look a lot better in the end than the elbow hips and crotch we had in CW.

Emerje

Magnaboss is a unique combiner with a proprietary system, though.

Emerje wrote:And really, it's silly that people are so hooked up on the arms when the legs are basically the same between both animation models so it's just the arms that are in question.

It's not a question of a difference between the animation models. It's a question of a difference between the animation models - both of which show the limb bots actually being the limbs, like they're supposed to - and the ways the rush-job animation (and bungling comic artists) often screwed up their interpretation of said models.

Emerje wrote:Also since there's a break in Dragstrip where the elbow joint will be we can tell he'll be forming the bulk of the arm, why are we so hooked up on combiner pegs and fists directly inserting into the car?

At least we know for a fact he won't look like this:

-botched depiction of Floro Dery character model snip-

Or this:

-botched depiction of Studio Ox character model snip-

Ah-ha-ha-hah-ha, no. We don't know that. In fact, that blasted break in Drag Strip says he'll look more like that than not - that's why I've been complaining! The only difference is the arm bots will be split between the upper and lower arms. Instead of, you know, actually being the arms like they're supposed to.

The case assortments have been updated since my last post in August. Example Galvatron is in wave 1 now. Also prime soundwave was a miscommunication between some retailers. Soundwave it’s actually S Soundwave PR so another package refresh.