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Looks better with the spoiler, but he's still basically just a white Wild Rider. Really lazy way to end the set. But as there's no other way to compete the set, so one must buy it.

I will be supper annoyed if they release Ana ctual Breakdown later with a completely new car shell, like they did with CW members.

BLIX007 wrote:Are we really surprised that this is a repaint/retool of Wildrider? Hasbro's cost savings/laziness is a little maddening. If they stay true to form they will most likely release a new molded Breakdown as a dang exclusive that will be compatible with this version of Menasor that will be horded and sold for scalped prices. If I remember correctly this would be similar to how they did in combiner wars version of Wildrider as a truck by a different name then actually brought out a more legit looking Wildrider later. Wish they could just stick the landing and not get lazy when completing a group. Cant wait to see what corners they cut on SS86 Snarl and Swoop. So disappointing.

CW Offroad was always meant as a new character (originally Ruckus) and not as a replacement (tho TFwiki was a bit confused with how he fit, along with Alpha Bravo), with Wildrider coming later. I'll have you know that that "cost saving/laziness" are what got Combiner Wars made in the first place.

So yeah, this Breakdown is what we'll get, tho I'm wondering why the front was kept as is. No more room in the mold that was switched out?

Overcracker wrote:Looks better with the spoiler, but he's still basically just a white Wild Rider. Really lazy way to end the set. But as there's no other way to compete the set, so one must buy it.

I will be supper annoyed if they release Ana ctual Breakdown later with a completely new car shell, like they did with CW members.

You do understand that wildrider from combiner wars was literally deadend with a new head right?

How was that more accepting than this a figure that has a new rear car, spoiler, guns torso and head.

The combiners wars version legit didn’t look anything like wildrider aside from his head and you folks are treating it as if hasbro gave you what you wanted. You got two limbs that were identical in alt mode. That’s not what you’re getting here

I don't think they'll be pulling that trick with this Breakdown, the CW are exceptions because they made new members first (except Blast Off who was the only one to retain the character, just not the alt mode)

Bare in mind that pattern was only accurate for the first original gestalt teams, and that might have had something to do with what Takara were doing with Unite Warriors.

Also I don't think he looks that bad with the group, or even noticeable in a group vehicle shot.

Who are Breakdown's wavemates? Maybe it was they who ate too much of the budget for that Deluxe class wave, leaving Breakdown to be a retool instead of a new mold.

BLIX007 wrote:If they stay true to form they will most likely release a new molded Breakdown as a dang exclusive that will be compatible with this version of Menasor that will be horded and sold for scalped prices.

Umm...

BLIX007 wrote:If I remember correctly this would be similar to how they did in combiner wars version of Wildrider as a truck by a different name then actually brought out a more legit looking Wildrider later.

They replaced Wildrider with Offroad in order to have a character in the Stunticon line up who was a completely different mold from the other stunticons. They later released Wildrider as a simple retool of Deadend, because people were upset that Hasbro had chosen creativity and having differentiated products on the shelves over maintaining G1 accuracy. The same thing happened with Alpha Bravo (mass release, completely new mold) and Quickslinger (exclusive, lazy retool).

Sabrblade wrote:Who are Breakdown's wavemates? Maybe it was they who ate too much of the budget for that Deluxe class wave, leaving Breakdown to be a retool instead of a new mold.

He didn’t have any. He was part of package refreshes from wave one plus wheejack but rumors are they’ve shuffled around wave four and moved wave one of evolution into it.

ZeroWolf wrote:I don't think they'll be pulling that trick with this Breakdown, the CW are exceptions because they made new members first (except Blast Off who was the only one to retain the character, just not the alt mode)

Bare in mind that pattern was only accurate for the first original gestalt teams, and that might have had something to do with what Takara were doing with Unite Warriors.

Also I don't think he looks that bad with the group, or even noticeable in a group vehicle shot.

Also, a new mold means more money spent, a slot occupied and pretools to consider that take up more space. Considering we already have several car molds in Legacy as is, Menasor is all cars (like Superion is all jets, just warning you...), it wouldn't do sales much good if Legacy was all cars, right?

I will admit, things could have been different if Menasor was spread across 2 years...

Randomhero wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Who are Breakdown's wavemates? Maybe it was they who ate too much of the budget for that Deluxe class wave, leaving Breakdown to be a retool instead of a new mold.

He didn’t have any. He was part of package refreshes from wave one plus wheejack but rumors are they’ve shuffled around wave four and moved wave one of evolution into it.

So like we've seen before then with Siege wave 5 and the last wave of Kingdom

Randomhero wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Looks better with the spoiler, but he's still basically just a white Wild Rider. Really lazy way to end the set. But as there's no other way to compete the set, so one must buy it.

I will be supper annoyed if they release Ana ctual Breakdown later with a completely new car shell, like they did with CW members.

You do understand that wildrider from combiner wars was literally deadend with a new head right?

How was that more accepting than this a figure that has a new rear car, spoiler, guns torso and head.

The combiners wars version legit didn’t look anything like wildrider aside from his head and you folks are treating it as if hasbro gave you what you wanted. You got two limbs that were identical in alt mode. That’s not what you’re getting here

I mean things like Blastoff. Were we got an actual Blastoff later. Not repaints of the same. mold in basically the same line with a wave difference.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Who are Breakdown's wavemates? Maybe it was they who ate too much of the budget for that Deluxe class wave, leaving Breakdown to be a retool instead of a new mold.

He didn’t have any. He was part of package refreshes from wave one plus wheejack but rumors are they’ve shuffled around wave four and moved wave one of evolution into it.

So like we've seen before then with Siege wave 5 and the last wave of Kingdom

Doesn’t matter either way. Once he’s fully revealed and once he’s out everyone will have moved on and treated the next figure as the worst figure ever and call hasbro lazy for not reading their minds and giving them exactly what they want just like every reveal of a figure. Every figure is the worst figure ever till the next one with certain fans who hate everything

Overcracker wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Looks better with the spoiler, but he's still basically just a white Wild Rider. Really lazy way to end the set. But as there's no other way to compete the set, so one must buy it.

I will be supper annoyed if they release Ana ctual Breakdown later with a completely new car shell, like they did with CW members.

You do understand that wildrider from combiner wars was literally deadend with a new head right?

How was that more accepting than this a figure that has a new rear car, spoiler, guns torso and head.

The combiners wars version legit didn’t look anything like wildrider aside from his head and you folks are treating it as if hasbro gave you what you wanted. You got two limbs that were identical in alt mode. That’s not what you’re getting here

I mean things like Blastoff. Were we got an actual Blastoff later. Not repaints of the same. mold in basically the same line with a wave difference.

Only because Takara made their own Blast Off. Hasbro was content with just the jet one. Releasing the shuttle one some years later was not the original plan.

Overcracker wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Looks better with the spoiler, but he's still basically just a white Wild Rider. Really lazy way to end the set. But as there's no other way to compete the set, so one must buy it.

I will be supper annoyed if they release Ana ctual Breakdown later with a completely new car shell, like they did with CW members.

You do understand that wildrider from combiner wars was literally deadend with a new head right?

How was that more accepting than this a figure that has a new rear car, spoiler, guns torso and head.

The combiners wars version legit didn’t look anything like wildrider aside from his head and you folks are treating it as if hasbro gave you what you wanted. You got two limbs that were identical in alt mode. That’s not what you’re getting here

I mean things like Blastoff. Were we got an actual Blastoff later. Not repaints of the same. mold in basically the same line with a wave difference.

Oh please let’s not pretend that takara blastoff pulls off the shuttle mode at all and has decent proportions. He was a box with wings. His arms hung off the side his chest was ridiculous unless you configured him how hasbro chose to he has thrusters for hands and his deco wasn’t right plus he did the thing this fandom things is taboo and parts formed. Takara! Takara the company that can’t do wrong did that by themselves! If anything hasbro at least took the mold and decoed it better and for cheaper

Randomhero wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Who are Breakdown's wavemates? Maybe it was they who ate too much of the budget for that Deluxe class wave, leaving Breakdown to be a retool instead of a new mold.

He didn’t have any. He was part of package refreshes from wave one plus wheejack but rumors are they’ve shuffled around wave four and moved wave one of evolution into it.

So like we've seen before then with Siege wave 5 and the last wave of Kingdom

Doesn’t matter either way. Once he’s fully revealed and once he’s out everyone will have moved on and treated the next figure as the worst figure ever and call hasbro lazy for not reading their minds and giving them exactly what they want just like every reveal of a figure. Every figure is the west figure ever till the next one with certain fans who hate everything

Haha, right? I'm constantly in awe of the TF fandom's ability to set themselves up for disappointment with unrealistic expectations. Meanwhile, raggedy Masters fans just go "please, sir, may we have another repaint?"

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Who are Breakdown's wavemates? Maybe it was they who ate too much of the budget for that Deluxe class wave, leaving Breakdown to be a retool instead of a new mold.

He didn’t have any. He was part of package refreshes from wave one plus wheejack but rumors are they’ve shuffled around wave four and moved wave one of evolution into it.

So like we've seen before then with Siege wave 5 and the last wave of Kingdom

Doesn’t matter either way. Once he’s fully revealed and once he’s out everyone will have moved on and treated the next figure as the worst figure ever and call hasbro lazy for not reading their minds and giving them exactly what they want just like every reveal of a figure. Every figure is the west figure ever till the next one with certain fans who hate everything

Haha, right? I'm constantly in awe of the TF fandom's ability to set themselves up for disappointment with unrealistic expectations. Meanwhile, raggedy Masters fans just go "please, sir, may we have another repaint?"

It would not surprise me at all if the most critical of breakdown have criticized the last two stunticons relentlessly as well

Randomhero wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Looks better with the spoiler, but he's still basically just a white Wild Rider. Really lazy way to end the set. But as there's no other way to compete the set, so one must buy it.

I will be supper annoyed if they release Ana ctual Breakdown later with a completely new car shell, like they did with CW members.

You do understand that wildrider from combiner wars was literally deadend with a new head right?

How was that more accepting than this a figure that has a new rear car, spoiler, guns torso and head.

The combiners wars version legit didn’t look anything like wildrider aside from his head and you folks are treating it as if hasbro gave you what you wanted. You got two limbs that were identical in alt mode. That’s not what you’re getting here

I mean things like Blastoff. Were we got an actual Blastoff later. Not repaints of the same. mold in basically the same line with a wave difference.

Oh please let’s not pretend that takara blastoff pulls off the shuttle mode at all and has decent proportions. He was a box with wings. His arms hung off the side his chest was ridiculous unless you configured him how hasbro chose to he has thrusters for hands and his deco wasn’t right plus he did the thing this fandom things is taboo and parts formed. Takara! Takara the company that can’t do wrong did that by themselves! If anything hasbro at least took the mold and decoed it better and for cheaper

Not the point. Whether Blastoff was good or bad is not relevant. The fact it exists in addition to the jet blastoff, and would have been a better option form the get go is the point.

If Takara decides to make a new Breakdown a year form now and Hasbro decides the also want to release it 2 years from now, and that BreakDown is better than this one because it at least looks more like BreakDown is kind of a cheap tactic.

I don't think any of the other stunt icons are bad. I did not criticize them for what they did. I just think making Breakdown the same mold as Wild Rider after all the ingenious engineering and design of the other figures was lazy.

Would you be o.k if they just repainted DragStrip brown and called him Dead End? We got a distinct mold for Dead End even though they both do the same thing to combine with Menasor. Would retooling the front to look more like a Lambo be too much to ask for?

Overcracker wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Looks better with the spoiler, but he's still basically just a white Wild Rider. Really lazy way to end the set. But as there's no other way to compete the set, so one must buy it.

I will be supper annoyed if they release Ana ctual Breakdown later with a completely new car shell, like they did with CW members.

You do understand that wildrider from combiner wars was literally deadend with a new head right?

How was that more accepting than this a figure that has a new rear car, spoiler, guns torso and head.

The combiners wars version legit didn’t look anything like wildrider aside from his head and you folks are treating it as if hasbro gave you what you wanted. You got two limbs that were identical in alt mode. That’s not what you’re getting here

I mean things like Blastoff. Were we got an actual Blastoff later. Not repaints of the same. mold in basically the same line with a wave difference.

Oh please let’s not pretend that takara blastoff pulls off the shuttle mode at all and has decent proportions. He was a box with wings. His arms hung off the side his chest was ridiculous unless you configured him how hasbro chose to he has thrusters for hands and his deco wasn’t right plus he did the thing this fandom things is taboo and parts formed. Takara! Takara the company that can’t do wrong did that by themselves! If anything hasbro at least took the mold and decoed it better and for cheaper

Not the point. Whether Blastoff was good or bad is not relevant. The fact it exists in addition to the jet blastoff, and would have been a better option form the get go is the point.

If Takara decides to make a new Breakdown a year form now and Hasbro decides the also want to release it 2 years from now, and that BreakDown is better than this one because it at least looks more like BreakDown is kind of a cheap tactic.

I don't think any of the other stunt icons are bad. I did not criticize them for what they did. I just think making Breakdown the same mold as Wild Rider after all the ingenious engineering and design of the other figures was lazy.

Would you be o.k if they just repainted DragStrip brown and called him Dead End? We got a distinct mold for Dead End even though they both do the same thing to combine with Menasor. Would retooling the front to look more like a Lambo be too much to ask for?

Looks like we're gonna have to ask Mark about why Wildrider and Breakdown are (forced to have) the same base mold.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Looks like we're gonna have to ask Mark about why Wildrider and Breakdown are (forced to have) the same base mold.

Why? We know what he'll say, it was easier for the feet and more cost-effective. There's no mystery to solve here.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Looks like we're gonna have to ask Mark about why Wildrider and Breakdown are (forced to have) the same base mold.

Why? We know what he'll say, it was easier for the feet and more cost-effective. There's no mystery to solve here.

At least some acknowledgement of a possible dedicated Breakdown mold in the original plan?

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Looks like we're gonna have to ask Mark about why Wildrider and Breakdown are (forced to have) the same base mold.

Why? We know what he'll say, it was easier for the feet and more cost-effective. There's no mystery to solve here.

At least some acknowledgement of a possible dedicated Breakdown mold in the original plan?

What is the value of having that? "If they release a new mold Breakdown in two years I'll be mad, if they planned for a new mold but cheaped out I'll be mad..." We could all just, like, not be mad? Or just choose to be mad regardless of what's happening, I don't understand why it's worth the trouble to worry about at this point.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Looks like we're gonna have to ask Mark about why Wildrider and Breakdown are (forced to have) the same base mold.

Why? We know what he'll say, it was easier for the feet and more cost-effective. There's no mystery to solve here.

At least some acknowledgement of a possible dedicated Breakdown mold in the original plan?

What is the value of having that? "If they release a new mold Breakdown in two years I'll be mad, if they planned for a new mold but cheaped out I'll be mad..." We could all just, like, not be mad? Or just choose to be mad regardless of what's happening, I don't understand why it's worth the trouble to worry about at this point.

Mark will probably bring it up in his Instagram designer notes, anyway.

Sabrblade wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Looks like we're gonna have to ask Mark about why Wildrider and Breakdown are (forced to have) the same base mold.

Why? We know what he'll say, it was easier for the feet and more cost-effective. There's no mystery to solve here.

At least some acknowledgement of a possible dedicated Breakdown mold in the original plan?

What is the value of having that? "If they release a new mold Breakdown in two years I'll be mad, if they planned for a new mold but cheaped out I'll be mad..." We could all just, like, not be mad? Or just choose to be mad regardless of what's happening, I don't understand why it's worth the trouble to worry about at this point.

Mark will probably bring it up in his Instagram designer notes, anyway.

And an explanation goes a long way. Not that everyone will accept that, but that's on them.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Looks like we're gonna have to ask Mark about why Wildrider and Breakdown are (forced to have) the same base mold.

Why? We know what he'll say, it was easier for the feet and more cost-effective. There's no mystery to solve here.

At least some acknowledgement of a possible dedicated Breakdown mold in the original plan?

What is the value of having that? "If they release a new mold Breakdown in two years I'll be mad, if they planned for a new mold but cheaped out I'll be mad..." We could all just, like, not be mad? Or just choose to be mad regardless of what's happening, I don't understand why it's worth the trouble to worry about at this point.

Mark will probably bring it up in his Instagram designer notes, anyway.

And an explanation goes a long way. Not that everyone will accept that, but that's on them.

Fair enough, it's a reasonable ask. I'm not even mad, I'm a cheap date. Plus while people here are dissatisfied, this has prompted a full-blown flamewar at other sites, and hopefully we can avoid that.

AcademyofDrX wrote:(...) Plus while people here are dissatisfied, this has prompted a full-blown flamewar at other sites, and hopefully we can avoid that.

Cooler minds will always prevail!

Completely indifferent on Captain Boomerang here, these Stunticons aren't for me, but at least everyone who's been complaining about none of the Lambos having spoilers should be happy, right?

Also, one of the people who posted Breakdown images says that they also have Scraphook/Junkion 1 and that they come with SEVEN accessories (2 engine blocks that go on the knees, 2 "Rodimus-style" exhaust pipes, a hook, a tow truck crane arm, and "the classic Junkion shield"), so between that and Breakdown initially being a tail-end-of-the-line/year figure like PotP Novastar, sounds like the budget may have just not gone in Breakdown's favor.

...although I do find it weirdly amusing that by virtue of sharing Wildrider's arms, this Breakdown has sculpting on his arms directly inspired by the CW Dead End mold.

Overcracker wrote:If Takara decides to make a new Breakdown a year form now and Hasbro decides the also want to release it 2 years from now, and that BreakDown is better than this one because it at least looks more like BreakDown is kind of a cheap tactic.

With the brand unification being the way it is, the chance of this happening is low enough that it probably isn't even worth posing the idea. Takara worked on this Breakdown (they just showed it at their expo before Hasbro had even revealed it, no less), why would they then turn around and make a second one?